redraif

Well, Mark B. I don't see you posting your "Dyno" sheet to prove that your 2.8 had any better #s then mine. Fact is, hp is probably down because the car got none of the benifits of the Ram Air hood and intake porting, since it was sitting still in a hot building. But I proved I have better torque than stock and that's a very important part of the 1/4 mile time. So on the road in motion, it performs better than stock.

As far as times in the 1/4. I have not run it since we got it fixed right, so there is no way to compare our cars at this time.

Heck, so far, no one here has said they have "dyno"ed a 2.8 & then posted 1/4 mile times. So mine may run just what yours did. You got some pretty bold statements for someone who has not posted any time slips or Dyno #s. Post some time slips if you are going to brag about your 1/4 mile passes.

To get these supposed times from you 2.8, what did you do to it. Show "US" how you had this supposed speed demon of a 2.8 with 130,000 miles. You haven't mentioned one single mod you did to it, so why should we believe anything you say. Not to mention the fact that we are not stupid. A stock TA does not run in the 13s period. It runs low 15s, high 14s.

Nobody is buying your

Well, sadly, the people that are now being called "ricers" seem to have more ingenuity and imagination than most of you hard core "anti-rice" types. So what, they like to have a unique car that shows there style. Honestly, from someone like you, being called a "*****" is actually a compliment.

Funny I remember when ***** meant: overbearing "non funtional" wing (rear wheel down force on a FWD), stickers, misbadging, and coffee can exhaust. Guess what!? I don't meet that criteria.

Oh and so you know the "stereo type" for a white trash 3rd gen: bad paint, dented panels, trashed interior...Basically a car that looks & runs like it just came from a junk yard. Guess what!? I don't meet that criteria either.

If you don't like a car then fine, say you don't like it. But slams and insults are counter productive and useless. Oh and about your typing "choice" all I'm saying is it makes you sound like a *******/white trash idiot. If you want to be taken seriously then act like it.

MarkB

umm.. LT1GUY you damned moron..you and your 71 posts can shove off.. who ever said i have a gta?! and..who ever said my 82 TRANSAM'S fawking stock? my car doesnt have a single peice of stock 82 drivetrain left..NOTHING.! and umm..i havent had my 89 firebird for over a year...time's were from US 41 dragstrip in indiana.

and the times for the 1/4 are from what current drivetrain i have..seeing how my cars had several different engine/tranny combos.

350 with flat tops,unknown cam,58 cc H.O. 305 1.94 heads fully ported and polished...edelbrock 600 with street strip kit...3.42 rear gears on 275/60/15s umm yeah..with stock intake from a chevy truck and stock manifolds off my original 305 from the T/A thank you very damn much.

you shouldnt asume so many things yunno...

im simply saying..the cars a pile of shiat!


its funny when you mention the crap that describes rice..everything you mention..is your entire car almost.it should be blown up

Demon Z28

so you weigh 30 pounds?

something tells me you shouldn't be calling BS if you can't do basic math

just my two pennies though...

Either way, Mark's 2.8 did rather well and I was surprised at it... slightly better than yours, but like you said, you may have some bad injectors so you never know...

LT1guy

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F*ck off, MarkB. What does post count have to do with anything?
Ok, its a Trans AM not a GTA...and its not stock, its a pile of mismatched junkyard parts assembled by a *** who uses a teddy bear for his avitar, with a time that he can't substantiate.

Probably because you can't build a decent one that will stay running! You're too busy giving everyone else sh*t!

Glad to see you agree with me on one thing...your cars's a pile of sh*t!


Want to try? Come to the TA Nationals, we'll see if you talk so big in person. I'll be sure to save an a$$ whipping for you!

AFrikinGoodTime

I have always cracked up at the term "horsepower", if you really think about it in a fun but true way.

If you were to rope 100 horses to your bumper and have a tug-of -war, they'd pull your *** backwards all over town.

Just something fun for everyone to laugh at.

redraif

Sorry I did not put that I was in the car when I weighed the frt and rear measurement also. The reason the 2 halves add up to be more than the car total is that I prob did not pull it up on the platform exactly at the half way mark both times.

Good grief people!!!

Was there something there I never saw??? I never saw dyno #s from Mark B and I had not taken any 1/4 mile times lately so how can his be slightly better than mine???

redraif

Well actually you did, to a point...

See when you only mention what is stock and mention no mods, so its a given that people will misunderstand you!.

Again...Time slips???

You refering to this??? Oh, and its not nice to threaten people.

You must be blind... The car is not misbadged. It still has its factory designation right in the factory places. Sure I added RAIF. But that is his name. And its true: Ram Air Inducted Firebird. (Note: "Firebird" not TA or GTA)

There is no coffee can exhaust. The car has the correct amount of back pressure. Heck the dealer even tested it. (long story)

And the car is a RWD. The wing is not overdone, it was told to me time and time again that the car needed to be balanced because of the aggresive nature of the hood. True its functionally has not been tested yet.

Oh, and I have no "manufacturer" stickers outside of factory original ones. So I don't see your point???

redraif

Too funny!!!:sillylol: Thanks for the dose of reality

Snowdog 91 Formula

Those are good numbers for a 2.8 RAIF. Hope you find your new engine soon. Have you made any kind of a choice at all? I'm sure that you'll find what you want soon!
Good luck on the swap! Changing from V6 to V8 is going to be quite a task to take on in the first place!
Do you have another car to drive in the meantime? It will not be an overnight job I can tell ya!

DABE

redraif: dont let this mark kid get to ya....i know your happy and satisfied with you car....as long as your happy with it thats all that matters....

mark b....go get a life...stop bashing others...

DABE

redraif

Thanks Snowdog & Dabe...

The choice is the problem. We keep doing the dance trying to decide. LT1, LS1, 406.... The favorite choice...LS1...seems to have issues not holding up internally under any boost or nitrous. Seems even those who have just done heads and cam work are having some problems with the bottom end too.

LT1 is a good choice many avail parts and mods with proven results, but its been done alot. Sure I would go 383. Now the 406 would be different, but more $ too. So either way we would have a heck of a time with wiring. I know its a big project.

I have 2 cars to use as back up. Though neither would be a good daily driver. One is a 1990 3500 Chevy Dually, 10-15 miles to the gallon. Or Mom's old 1985 6000 LE wagon. Worn out 2.8L carborated. Its on its last leg, but somehow keeps on going....

DABE

a 350 is a good motor...many parts...cheap...and they are capable of making 700+ hp

DABE

MDv6man

Hit the Boneyards and convert to MPFI

redraif

Thats in the works soon...We joked about puting my engine in her car. I know you can't really. then we thought....Hmmm....Super charged 3.8. Talk about a sleeper. Bump up the boost. 300HP could go along way in that car.

MDv6man

Hell yeah!!!! a sleeper wagon!!!!! Reminds me of my old beast -- 78 Aspen Wagon 318 with an Edelbrock 600 CFM carb. Also ditched the "Brain" (Lean Burn). That car rocked. Unfortunately, the 904 transmissions were not up to the task. LONG LIVE SLEEPER WAGONS!!!!!!!

LT1guy

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If we go SBC, it'll be a 406...might as well get as much as we can out of it, and most of the parts are the same...with a TPIS Miniram intake, AFR heads and a custom grind cam, with Haltech engine management. As Shannon said, if we go LT1 it will definitely be a 383, since a good aftermarket steel crank is no more $ for the extra stroke than the stock 3.48 in stroke. I'd really prefer to put an LS1 in, but I know too many people having problems with them right now, and we're a little hesitant.

Gumby

Hey dumbA$$ no one is listening to you, :lala: lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala :lala: I can't hear you :lala: lalalalalalalalalalalalalalalala :lala:

LT1guy

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yes, yes it is...all you need now are some louvers and Yosemite Sam mudflaps to go on that pile!

Demon Z28

Stop lying... you said it yourself...and I quote (again)

The two halves do NOT add up to be more than the total... the two halves add up to be 3365...

You then stated that the car weighed 3395 pounds WITH YOU IN IT. So ... do you weigh 30 pounds or what?

MarkB's 2.8 was in better running condition than yours.
You said it yourself you suspected there were some suspected fuel injectors ... so your car was not running at its full ptoential nor was it having any air pushed into it through the ram air.

MarkB's V6 was running on fresh injectors, no ram air, and it was even before the chip was installed... and he managed to put down 30hp/tq more than you...

I don't have the dyno results because frankly, that was quite awhile ago and he doesn't have it anymore... so i saw no used to keep them.

Its all about fine tuning...

by the way... how much, exactly, of those manifolds, did you port and ceramic coat? I've seen people try to port those before, and 90% of the time if they go more than a few mm at the very most, they crack after use... so that had me curious.


Now for Dabe and LT1guy...

everyone has their projects... Mark's recent Trans Am has been through a lot more that most people know and he's stuck with it the entire time.

So his doen't look the greatest... I might say the same about raif's... the point is, his goal is to turn it into something you two don't think is possible, yet a person who cannot get her own facts straight about weights and simple math and the possibility that some people can have better V6's is so far always right, just because her car has painted windows and a bit better paintjob and whatnot...

You fail to realize that the potential of V6's can be severely overrated and not one of you yet has admitted the possibility that MarkB's old V6 could have been better...

But when it comes to looks, thats the first thing you start whining about, not one person seems to care about performance when you can bash a persons project car...

y'all need to open your eyes... and stop with the

Not everyone has the funds to make their car pretty, not everyone buys their car because its dog slow but has a nice paintjob... some people DO like to have project cars, and some people DO like to have cars they can work on and have everything done to their spec, and have it done right in their own eyes.

Stop bashing Mark's 82 TA... this is about CAR ENTHUSIASTS AND THEIR LOVE OF THE SAME KINDS OF CARS... for f**ks sake people, get over how peoples goddamn cars look, especially in a PERFORMANCE ORIENTED THREAD.

Demon Z28

by the way LT1 guy... congrats on posting an 8 month old picture.

redraif

No I don't weigh 30 lbs. And sorry I worded what I was saying wrong. Honestly, I was talking on the phone to a customer at my office and was not paying complete attention to what I was typing. I don't get a break to surf the web at work and have to do 2 things at once most of the time.

The point I was trying to make was that I never said if I was in the car or not with the frt and rear weight designations. Well I was. What happened is that I must not have pulled the car on the scale exactly to its 1/2 way mark, so the totals came up different. That was my point. I never added anything to check my math. So you caught me I was in a hurry.

What confuses me is that you seem to know about #s that none of us have seen. Mark never posted any numbers. I asked him to so I could see where the differences were. He also never posted any of his mods. Shesh, thats all I'm asking for.

Why would YOU have/had his results??? Are you that close...Hmmm...

Well I did not measure what I did. It was a last minute thing I did before we sent them to get coated. I mostly just wanted to smooth the inside and remove some of the casting obstructions. I honestly did not take it that far. I had never messed with porting before, so I did not want to overdo it. I guess It was a good thing, since they crack so easily when ported. I did them back in Dec and have had no problems.


I never had my facts wrong the 1st time. I just did not state them clearly enough for you. And about the V-6 potential. I'm not knocking Marks. I went on what he said. He mentioned no mods, no nitrous....said the car had 130,000 miles. He mentioned no tuning or anything. No one on this board has run those times on a 130,000 mile stock un-tuned V-6. And the windows are not painted


He was bashing my project car, looks and all. So I don't see your point.


Ok parents bought the car in 1989. It was my first car, I was 15. Dad would only allow me to get a used 2.8, period. It got repainted just after I got it because the paint was messed up by the previous owner and because of an accident. The only time it was painted after that was to repair damage due to people hitting it. The car has not had an all over paint job since 1992. So I have kept the car up and took meticulous car of it. I never spent tons of $ to pretty it up. I went to junkyards and spent next to nothing on parts and fixed them and modified them. It took time and patience not $. I would have spent the same on the engine if I had had the know-how. I could only do what I knew how to do.

LT1guy

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Did you even bother to read the rest of this post to see how this started? Your a$$hole friend came in here, talking a lot of about how Shannon's car is so weak (it is, its a high mileage 2.8 that just happens to have enough minor mods to the engine to get it back to stock HP levels), and being a total jerk about it. Did anyone say this car was fast? No. Did anyone ask for opinions about looks? No. But MarkB took it upon himself to ruin a perfectly good thread.
That doesn't even make sense...I don't "fail to realize the potential of V6s can be severely overrated"...I think you and your buddy are full of $hit! Post some times, post some dyno sheets...anybody can pull numbers out of their butt and knock other people!
I care about looks and performance...MarkB knocked both aspects of this car, and opened himself and his car for like treatment. Who came in here and bashed who's project car? Do you think she bought her car as is at Carmax or something? NO, its her project car! Is it finished? No. Its in the paint shop right now, and an engine swap is coming soon. Its not finished, and no true project car ever is. Why should we treat him with kid gloves, when he runs off at the mouth about everyone else's car? Screw him. If he can't take it, he should keep his f*cking mouth shut about other people's cars...or at least show a little tact about it. Not everyone will like every car, and no one expects them to...but its not necessary to be an A$$HOLE just because you don't like something!
Why should we stop bashing him? Cant he take it? Is he going to cry? WELL THEN MAYBE HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIS MOUTH SHUT!!! This thread is about dyno numbers, not bashing other people's cars...Mark didn't post his numbers, he just saw an opportunity to bash someone else. I for one am sick of people like that on this board...they're in the minority, but they ruin it for everybody else.

LT1guy

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Well why don't you post a more recent one...and BTW, MarkB posted it less than two months ago. :lala:

Demon Z28

You can't get out of this one I won't let you... you said the weight was APPROXIMATELY 1840 FRONT, APPROXIMATELY 1545 REAR... and 3395 WITH YOU IN IT.

So you DID state that you were in it



as for the rest, I only glanced through it, so I appologize... I only read the first few and the last few because the first few by you were the only things I saw anything that really needed to be mentioned (cause i'm weird hehe)

what is with the windows then? I looks body colored paint to me O_o

I have #'s of Mark's v6 because simply put I was interested in buying it before he got rid of it

my statements for bashing appearance went for everyone though, not just mark, dabe and lt1guy... if a thread starts out performance, leave it as such. ::shrug::

LT1guy

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Ok, you're not understanding...Shannon WAS in the car, but didn't make that clear in the first post. She was in it for all weighing. Nothing being hidden, or denied...she just didn't make that clear the first time.
What she was saying is that if you weigh a vehicle like she did (at a dragstrip, not with a scale under each wheel or each end of the car at the same time), by parking the front end on the scale, then the rear end, the numbers will not usually equal the total weight (as if you had weighed the whole car at once). Its not that precise. No deception, no lies...thats just the way it is. If you used individual scales, calibrated EXACTLY the same as one larger, drive on type scale, the weights would add up the same.

The windows are red residential window tint, backed by mirrored tint.

AFrikinGoodTime

I'm an innocent bystander that keep seeing this thread come up so I read it.

1st off- MarkB and the Demon Sh*theads(Sounds like a punk rock band) sound to me like the *******s here. Somehow they have a freak stock 2.8 engine that can beat the crap out of everyone else's but nobody can see it.

"When you are young and naive, you don't realize how young and naive you sound"

DABE

welp....AFrikinGoodTime thanks for summing that up....

Demon Z28: why do you guys have to bash other cars...why are you saying he has kept with his car thru tough times??? we arnt bashing him...we are trying to stop him from bashing others...we havnt made any negitive comments....we asked for proof that was never shown...

I hate to say this but Mark B and Demon Z28 has probally brought on the thread locker...i can smell it commin...

TO ALL READERS PLEASE NOTE: people like these two like to cause trouble...they like to bash others pride and joy...these are the people who need to be banned from these message boards...(i hope some moderators are reading this)

redraif sorry these *******s had to ruin your post...

DABE

Ovrclck350

Sorry guys, gotta lock.

Gumby

Did I miss something or did the thread lock get over turned????

A better solution would be to ban the trouble makers and or add an ignor user function to the board.

Ovrclck350

I forgot to lock it because it was late....oh well.


Banning users is used as a last resort, and isn't used if they mess up one thread. Everyone has their moments.