camaro_junkie

Yeah so, right at the end of the I-pipe where the hangar is welded on to the pipe is majorly rusted. There was a gaping hole and the I-pipe was sitting on the axle brace. So I ripped the hangar off all together and hung the exhaust from the tail pipe (like on the driver's side). I used some fiberglass muffler tape but it didn't stick. So now there's this big hole. But the exhaust sounds good... loud, but good. No, it doesn't sound like a V8. It sounds something like a Porsche exhaust (don't flame me, I'm not saying my car sounds like a Porsche). And, to top it all off, the car is running better.

F585

I liked the sound of my car when the cat blew off neighbors hated me. I drilled a few holes in this El Camino I'm working on (the exhaust was already rusted and I'm replacing it), sounds very nice and gave it a little gain in power.

camaro_junkie

Well, I finally got around to fixing the hole with a little help from my friend muffler tape. I also had to jack the muffler up a bit because it was hitting the suspension again. Despite the fact that I've lost horsepower, the backfire is 90% gone. So the car is quieter in two ways. I'm certain that next summer when I have some money, and I can afford a new exhaust from engine to tailpipes, then the car will get some power back. But for now, I'll have to put up with it.

kretos

atleast it made the car run better

camaro_junkie

It's funny that it did because the car was having the same performance problems in the last few years when I replaced the cat and the muffler and there was no improvement. It MUST be the I-pipe because that hasn't been replaced since '99 I think. And I didn't know any better back then so I just got a crimp-bent pipe AND I damaged it really good trying to get it into the old muffler (I didn't have a pipe expander).

92RSSlowmaro

I have a hole in my exhaust. Right at the end of the tailpipe where the muffler should go. Sounds cool at idle, but soon as you push the accelerator it sounds like a wet fart.

camaro_junkie

Does that mean your muffler is missing?

Now there's a disturbing comparison.

92RSSlowmaro

Yes

Yes

83_Camaro_83

This is the funneist thrad ever

Nate86

And people wonder why the Camaro is stereotyped as a "****** mobile."

camaro_junkie

Well since whatever you wrote has been blanked out, I can't really respond. But I can guess that it has something to do with living in an rural setting with beer cans and cars on blocks littering the lawn. I'm also not sure whether you are referring to this entire thread or something in particular that was said. However, where I live, the Camaro isn't really stereotyped at all. If it's associated with anything, it's strictly associated with middle-aged men with ******s (not people who live in a rural setting with...). People here don't really pay much attention to cars that aren't in such great shape. I've been to the US many times and Americans have a lot more new cars than Canadians do (not really sure why that is), so a beat-up car is not uncommon here. The "type" of car that gets the most eye rolls is the import with the gigantic appendage and another $2000 in ridiculous body parts but very seldom has any performance upgrades. Now if you have a problem with someone's car having a rusty, loud exhaust system, or several large dents and rust spots, OR A V6, feel free to come up to my house and work on my car for me because I'm too broke and have too little time to do it myself since I'm too busy working on my Master's degree.

Now, if you were just making that comment as a joke and not an insult then consider my rant to be just a calm response to your joke. But if you meant it as an insult, then keep it to yourself next time and take my rant as being in an angrier tone.

92RSSlowmaro

So it doesnt have a muffler? It didn't have one when I bought it, but it runs fine. Im putting a V-8 in soon anyways, so the stock exhaust is getting chucked.

And other than a missing muffler, its in very nice condition.

Nate86

Whoa there, chief. Don't have a heart attack.

I never said I have a problem with people who's exhaust is rusted through, incomplete or otherwise broken in some way. These are are old cars, it happens. The exhaust on my car rusted through a while back as a matter of fact.

I find it hard to believe that someone would consider a rotted off exhaust better than a complete exhaust in any way, though. Sure, I don't have a problem with people who can't afford a new exhaust right away, but don't go bragging about it like you just got an entire exhaust complete with headers and a catback:

By the way, can someone explain what this means:

So it sounds like a Porsche exhaust, but it doesn't sound like a Porsche exhaust?

camaro_junkie

Well for starters, who was bragging? I simply said that because of this hole that I wasn't able to plug, I got a little boost in performance. Not say that I'm going to leave a hole in my exhaust and called it a mod, just to say that my exhaust needs to be replaced because it is hurting the engine. If you ever read any of my other posts (which you probably didn't because you clearly just came into the V6 forum to make yourself feel better by insulting other people), you'd know that I'm constantly trying to track down the reason my car doesn't run so well.

As for the Porsche comment:

It sounds something like a Porsche exhaust (don't flame me, I'm not saying my car sounds like a Porsche).

Note that I said sounds something like a Porsche to convey the tone of the exhaust, but to keep trolls like you from making moronic comments I had to stress that I wasn't comparing my car to a Porsche. I don't have a Porsche. I don't have a Porsche engine. I don't have a Porsche exhaust. I had a hole in my exhaust that for some reason gave an interesting tone under acceleration, albeit annoyingly loud.

ljnowell

You know what is kinda funny? Someone here gets his panties in a bunch because he sayss that no exhaust makes a car a hillbilly car, and gives everyone a bad image. Perpetuates a stereotype. But at the same time, he is perpetuating the internet stereotype that we all have. Everyone on the net makes fun of thirdgen owners because they are pissy argumentative jerks. Legions of teenagers waiting to argue over everything.

So, congratulations on pointing out one stereotype, and proving another.

camaro_junkie

ljnowell: About your comment that thirdgen owners have a reputation on the internet as being argumentative jerks, it's been said before (possibly by you), but I don't know who says that thirdgen owners are argumentative jerks. Maybe V6 owners are a little touchy when V8 owners come to the V6 forum just to make useless comments, but I disagree that we (thirdgen owners) are argumentative. I appreciate these boards a great deal due to the high quality of advice and ideas brought by the members. The only thing wrong is people who like to troll and people who give bad advice, but this is unavoidable no matter where you are.

Anyways, in the interest of the board, I think this thread should be shot to put it out of its misery.

ljnowell

I agree trolling is wrong, and should not be tolerated. SImply put though, the stereotype does exist about thirdgen owners. Exactly as I have put it above. When you tell someone on the net that you have a thirdgen, they already have a stereotype of you. Want proof? Go look in the theoretical racing board here. Perfect example.

Nate86

Sorry, I didn't say that either. I'd hardly call a broken exhaust an "improvement" over what should be there--in sound or performance. I've heard some V6s without exhaust and they sound like poo. I can't imagine a hole in the exhaust would make it sound any better.

camaro_junkie, I would have said the same thing to a V8 owner if they posted something like this. A broken exhaust isn't better than a properly-functioning exhaust, no matter whether it's a V6 or a V8. If your "butt dyno" tells you that you're getting better performance with the hole in the exhaust than you did before, obviously something was wrong way before this issue came up.

I still have a bone to pick with you about the car sounding "something like a Porsche" but not actually sounding like a Porsche... but for the sake of not arguing, I'll just keep it to myself.

I'll conclude with this: It's not very hard for me to tell why people stereotype these cars when the people who drive them consider broken parts an "improvement" over properly functioning ones.

If I offended you, I'm sorry... but seems like in this world you can't say more than "I think..." before some claims to be offended.

P.S. - Let me just add some IMO, IMHO and some smileys so people won't go into a rage over what I just said.

camaro_junkie

There's no "I think..." in this sentence as far as I can see.

And why shouldn't I be offended, you insulted me and my car for absolutely no reason, plain and simple!

I'm sorry, "butt dyno"? Now there's another insult. You don't think I can't tell when my car is running better? I would like you to PROVE to me that no one can tell if their car is running better. I bet a lot of people would have much to say to you about this.

Wow, you're a freakin' genius! You finally figured out exactly what I was saying from the beginning.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. When did I ever say that I prefer a rusty exhaust with holes in it, to a nice new shiny exhaust with no holes? I have an already crappy exhaust with a hole in it that allowed for proper exhaust flow to return some of my engine's power.

So why don't you take your insulting comments and go...

camaro_junkie

Nate86

Ok... I guess I'm just a big idiot. I guess since I deduced you were boasting about how a hole in your exhaust made your exhaust better by reading the topic of the thread (Hole in exhaust, V6 sounds good) and by reading the latter part of your first post, that makes me a complete idiot. I should have known all along that you were REALLY talking about some sort of problem you were having with your car, even though you make no mention of it in that post.

As far as it being faster, show me some dyno numbers. Show me some track times, show me a time slip. I could sit here all day saying "I just added a cold air intake and it improved my car's performance by 20 HP throughout the powerband!" But who's gonna believe me until I post some evidence that proves it?

Furthermore, I highly doubt that a hole in your exhaust is going to give you any noticeable performance gains at all. In fact, I doubt it gave you ANY performance gains at all. This is not meant as an insult to the V6 guys, but I've read quite a few posts where someone with a V6 would ask "How much HP am I making with all these mods I have done to my V6?" and other posters would reply 15-20 HP over stock at MOST. Now am I supposed to believe that your exhaust rusted through and you picked up all this horsepower (and lost it again after you fixed the problem)? Alright, pal. You convinced me.

It's implied. When I say something, obviously it's my opinion and I thought it up. I figured you'd have enough brainpower to notice that without me having to type out "in my humble opinion."

Nate86

By the way, I'm through replying to this thread. I've said all that I wanted to say. I'll leave it at that.

camaro_junkie

Wow, more moronic rambling.

Yes, there was some improvement due to the hole in the exhaust. I don't think so, I know so. I don't need to show you or anyone else any proof. If you had a severely restricted exhaust and removed that restriction by punching a hole in the exhaust before that restriction, you would definitely notice an improvement. You don't need dyno numbers, it's a physical must. Try blocking the exhaust ports on your engine, then try letting them run open. Get back to me on which one worked better. I never claimed that I made a perfectly functional exhaust better by punching a hole in it.

I was never boasting about the hole. Just because I said it sounded good, doesn't mean that I was boasting about anything. Had I purposely punched a hole in the exhaust in order to change the sound or for some other reason, then you might take it as boasting. But the hole already existed and there were some unusual side-effects. I wasn't boasting, it was more like I was surprised.

I don't need to say specifically that the hole has helped me to realize that there is a problem with my exhaust, and thus, my engine. Anyone who knows a little something about cars would realize this. Anyone who doesn't know would just ask.

And your replies to this thread don't make you an idiot, that was obviously true already.

And I'm glad you won't reply any more to this thread. In fact you should have done that before you posted the first time. I'm interested in talking about the V6 engine in this forum, not hearing insults from jerks like you.

Slow2.8

To think, all this started from a hole in the exhaust...

camaro_junkie

Die thread, die!

redraif

Sorry to bring it back, but CamaroJunkie I understood you the whole time. I understood the Porche comment as well... Just because we as humans can't be perfectly articulate and say everything the perfect way...there is not reason for the comments you received.

I for one do have a HOLE in my exhaust before the cat.

HEHE...cut out...sorry I had to say it...

Really I have a muffler shop replaced exhaust from the cat back. the just used their pipe and duplicated the factory set up when mine rusted out 10 years ago... They used the stock 2.25 size pipe and crimp bent it...

Nate...you need some numbers to prove my purposeful hole made a difference in my stock sized exhaust....here you go!
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DYNOLAB:, GA. (Jan. 3, 2004)
This was after installing the new headers…still working out bugs on the engine, like fuel and timing…still no custom chip!

Max Power = 125.9 @ rear wheels (+20%) = 151.08hp @ the fly wheel
Max Torque = 203.1 @ rear wheels (+20%) = 243.72ft-lbs @ the fly wheel

So I got some HP#s, but lost some torque, arrgh….

DYNOLAB:, GA. (Jan. 3, 2004)
Now we opened the newly installed cutout to see what would happen….

Max Power = 134.1 @ rear wheels (+20%) = 160.92hp @ the fly wheel
Max Torque = 207.4 @ rear wheels (+20%) = 248.88ft-lbs @ the fly wheel

The hp#s… cutout gave: 8.2hp
Got some of the torque back… cutout gave: 4.3ft-lbs
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So Nate, its possible that he has a restrictive exhaust and that accidental hole gave him the same results I have found here on mine!

I never saw him say he put a hole in his exhaust in purpose as a mod. Give the guy a break and quit being such a jerk.

Slow2.8

Red- How does that cutout sound when opened on you 6? And for what 30 something bux thats giving some good numbers. Sounds like a future mod to me.

redraif

I like it. With my cam it has quite a lope...people really think its an 8. Upper RPM its starts sounding 6ish...but the cam sure helps alot. Its loud...the sound proofing I did is the only reason its tolerable to drive like that on a daily basis...plus its fun to watch peoples reaction when you get on it! When I do cap it I can so feel the power diff. Feels like a diff car! So much more powerful with it open!

On a stock V-6 i think it might be a bit too much. Know a guy with a 3.4 4th gen...he has straight pipes, no muff or cats...sounds crappy when he romps on it. There is a definite different sound b/w my 3.4 and his! Now if I could learn to get the sound clips on the web I would let you guys all take a listen! Heck I would get his and mine and it would shock you how diff it sounds!