Black 86 'bird

Last night, I found out that I can actually POWERBRAKE!!!! I am so excited. I have tried many times before with no success. Why all of a sudden could I do it? I am confused.

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My only mod: Flowmaster 40 series

TomP

Is it cold in Ohio? (It's freezing in NJ.) Air pressure drops in cold weather, and if you haven't filled the tires lately, an underinflated tire spins easier. Plus, colder air makes more more power. (Cold air & fuel is more dense, so more can be packed into the engine.)


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86Sprtcpe

Hey, wait, no one has really explained this to me but what is powerbraking??? Haha, i know lots bout cars bout no one has ever told me what that is, can someone help? thanks!

Ovrclck350

Powerbraking is when you hold your brake and press the gas. Eventually, your tires will spin. Launching like this with an Automatic transmission helps your times, henceforthe the name Powerbraking. Be careful tho. It's not only bad on your brakes, but your transmission, engine and basically everything else as well.

Black 86 'bird

Last night when I did it, the temp I would guess was in the mid to upper 30's. I did it again today when it was 50. I'll see what I can do this summer when it gets warm.

Ovrclck350, I couldn't have explained it better. If I explained it, I probably would have left out the damage aspect unintentionally. I personally don't plan on doing it all the time. I think I need new brakes anyway. I really don't want to tear anything up. I'm just doing it to show off for a few friends. I'm just so excited that I can do it.




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My only mod: Flowmaster 40 series

TechSmurf

Well, since this was basically the topic of my original post here, I might as well extrapolate.. mine can on certain surfaces (such as the ones metros can do burnouts on).. low traction concrete and whatnot.. but on asphalt? No.. and I don't even have a right rear brake at the moment =P

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'86 Camaro SC, black /w silver racing stripes
2.8l MPFI/700r4 /w special 2nd gear delete option
In search of new v8 engine & transmission, now contemplating t5 swap to get me out of this mess.
MSD coil, Accel 8mm wires, SplitFire plugs, Gabriel hijackers

Black 86 'bird

I hear you man. I think it is a fluke for me. Next time I try I won't be able to do jack.



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My only mod: Flowmaster 40 series

87CamaroLT

Ahh... the art of powerbraking... My weapon of choice (for now) has got to be my dad's '93 Cougar. Spins both tires, as long as I want to. I've actually held it for over a minute when I was in a burnout contest with a Mudstain GT. My friends were laughing so hard when I popped the hood and showed the guy he got beat by a V6 Cougar. He was just like, "No way man... that's not a 6er." And to the winner (me)? A brand new set of back tires! That's what we bet... smart move, huh? I needed new ones anyway, so I was like, "What the hell..." Heh... Hard to believe I hate that car with a passion...

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--'87 Camaro LT --
Currently undergoing a 2.8->3.4 swap.....

Graeme'sFirebird

dont forget its easier to spin almost bald tires then tires with tread or new.

Ovrclck350

Garmer

Im sure that most of you guys should be able to powerbrake! I did it last fall (bare bald tires) and left a 150ft+ one tire mark!!!!

Then I got my new tires, I bet I can do about 80ft one w/ those! So I am sure that most of you can do them.

By the way what is "line-lock"?

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91 RS Camaro
3.1L
Cat Back System, K&N filter,modified air box, Fastchip Stage 2, 160 thermo, Rapidfires and Bosch Wires 5 Air Horns
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jason86/2.8

A few months after I got my car I was riding around w/ my friend who at the time had a 91 RS w/ a bored 3.1 and all he would do was powerbrake. He held one for a good 20 secs one time and left one helluva lot of rubber. Smoke all in the windows in everything. It was a rush. Well the next week we rode around in my car and he kept trying to get me to spin mine. Finally I tryed in a parking lot but couldn't get it to work. That night after I dropped him off I pulled up to a light and did it. Only problem, me being young and not knowing of the damage this caused, I started doing every chance I did. Not only did I have to spend $130 on new back rubber but also $650 to rebuild my trans. I'm pretty sure that is what killed it along w/ the guy towing it wrong. But I've yet to try it w/ my new trans. I've been tempted a few times. I have noticed, though, that i can spin the right rear if I take a right turn sharp enough, quick enough from a dead stop.

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Red 1986 SC, 2.8L, rebuilt 700R4, 3.42 Posi, t-tops, 137K miles and counting, K&N air filters w/ removed air baffles, hopefully more to come!
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Ovrclck350

A line lock is exactly like it sounds. It stops the brakes from releasing on the front when you let go, but it releases the back. You put your foot on the pedal, press the lock switch, and let go. At that time, the front brakes are still braking, but the back are free. Saves wear and tear. This of course is a simplified explanation, but there's still not that much to line locks.

FYI. Front wheel drive cars don't need these (of course). Just pull your emergency brake, and stomp the gas all you want, you aren't going anywhere unless your E-brake is bad.

87CamaroLT

Not true... sometimes FWD cars don't work that way. A girl I work with (and am very interested in) drives a '96 Accent and even with the bald tires on it, it wouldn't do it by just pulling the E-brake. And her E-brake works... almost too good. Same with another girl's '87 Mazda MX-6... Wouldn't do it, no matter how hard I tried. I finally did find out how to burn the tires off of it, though... (we had a lil' bet going that I couldn't. I won Dinner with a hot cheerleader... my favorite prize ever.)

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--'87 Camaro LT --
Currently undergoing a 2.8->3.4 swap.....

matlock

I dont mean to brag, but you some of you guys need to powerbrake to spin the tires? I can do it on dry road almost everytime without using the brake, even with someone else in the car. Could it be though because my front struts are worn?

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87 Camaro Sport Coupe
MSD Coil, Accel 8.8mm wires, Rapidfires
K&N Filters, No Air Baffles
Z28 Hood and Rims

superz

front wheel drive cars can't powerbrake because the front brakes are disks. disk brakes hold alot tighter and therefore won't let the tires spin. my dad's 2000 Z-71 truck is fast as hell for a truck but he can't powerbrake cause he has 4 wheel disk brakes so the back ones won't spin. now he can boil em if he gets on it from a stand still. hehe it is cool.

Black 86 'bird

That's the way I did it, 'till this powerbrake thing happened. That might be the safest way to spin the tire(s) so you don't put as much strain on the engine and tranny, and none on the brakes I may have to look for one of these line lock things. How hard to install?

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My only mod: Flowmaster 40 series



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zerogauge

my firebird(i just sold) had 4 wheel disc brakes and you could powerbrake it...it was even a stick.

just correcting the false fact above.

matlock

Just to let you know, spinning tires around a corner doesn't count. Maybe it sounds cool but other people won't think so. Even my rusted 79 cutlass could spin one wheel around a corner. But going in a straight line its tough for a RWD car to spin the tires because weight transfer forces them to the road.

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87CamaroLT

Yeah, you're right about that one.... BUT, what if the car can break BOTH wheels loose, and kick sideways around that corner? Looks damn cool then (Once again, that V6 Cougar will get that job done... not bad for a 3500lb car)

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--'87 Camaro LT --
Currently undergoing a 2.8->3.4 swap.....

superz

he zero gauge i just thought, it may be cause my dads truck has abs. but it is true about front drive cars though

Jiffy

I don't have to go around corners or powerbrake to spin the tires, maybe I just get lucky, but i just wait untill my gas is at about a 1/4 tank and i can spin my tires going straight pretty well, as long as im the only one in the car.

92 Camaro V6, with modified air box, K&N air filter, JET chip2 and upgraded performace muffler.



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Ovrclck350

Line locks aren't that hard to install....

85f-bird

when i had my old motor, i could power brake in cold weather, but once it warmed up i couldn't do a thing. And blacktop in hot weather was terrible. With the new motor, i can powerbrake with 1/4-1/2 throttle, and can burn without the brake if need be. Also, i can open up my left rear tire by taking a hard left turn with a lot of gas. That's the only way i can leave two tire tracks, unless i floor it in revers and burn the left, then floor it in drive and burn the right.

Black 86 'bird

I saw them in Jegs, I don't know anything about them except what was said here. Where do I put it?



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The famous "one wheel peel"
My only mod: Flowmaster 40 series

KED85

It feeds off the master cylinder (dual master cylinder) line for the front wheel to the brake lines for the front wheels.
Kinda like splicing in a wire into a harness, except it's the front brake line that gets spliced.
Activated by electric solenoid.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

Black 86 'bird

mmmmmmmhmmmmmmmm. So the solenoid is in the engine compartment under (or near) the master cylender?


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The famous "one wheel peel"
My only mod: Flowmaster 40 series

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GOLD85

man eather you all have posi or just realy sacked out 6 bangers. when i had my 6 i was abel to spin em on ANY surface, and lay at least 25 ft of rubber. i got some nice pics of me doing if you wish i can TRY to post. Oh yea were i come from we call a powerbreak a brake stand.

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when the green flag drops the bull$hit stops

Curent: 350,performer RPM intake ,650dp, 700r4, headers, 3inch exhast
Spring 01: 406, Comp 282 solid cam, 2400 stall converter, every thing else the same.

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superz

those are some pretty mean claims for a 6. are you sure it didn't sprout 2 extra cylinders from all the BULL$HIT you were feeding it? 25ft black marks without riding the brakes is pretty far fetched. can anyone else burn em in their v6 for 25 feet? if you can i wanna hear it.

superz

or hang on a sec. were you doin a one wheel peel for 25 feet? if so that doesn't count.

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GOLD85

how many 6bangers came with factory posi. i show you some pics if ya want


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when the green flag drops the bull$hit stops

Curent: 350,performer RPM intake ,650dp, 700r4, headers, 3inch exhast
Spring 01: 406, Comp 282 solid cam, 2400 stall converter, every thing else the same.

R.I.P #3

superz

seein is believin my man

Vortex_89rs

A guy from school down the street has an 88 SC with a 2.8 5-speed. It has done A LOT of sitting, but a couple of weeks ago he started it up and ran it a little. I was working on the 69 with the door up, and he yelled at me from the street, then proceded to do a nice burnout. I was on the DS, and his DS back wheel was hopping a good 6" up and down (damn open rear!!!), and he probably did a good 30' burnout, shifted, and squealed them going third also. But, I guess you are just going to have to take my word for it since I didn't have a chance to grab a camera or anything. I can always buy the car off of him and show you I guess???

Vman
[Edit]BTW, the tires are pretty bald. But it is possible to do a long burnout with a 6.
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1969 Camaro Sport Coupe
383, 700R4, leather, everything black but the lights

Previous owner of an 89 RS Camaro
2.8L V6, 700R4

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87CamaroLT

That's it right there.... the 5 speed part. Nuetral drop your car at 4K RPM, get out, and look... two marks... Do a brakestand, power brake it, whatever, and you'll only get a one wheeler... A friend with a Mazda Bseries pickup spins both wheels when he dumps the clutch in it, but I know it doesn't have posi....

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--'87 Camaro LT --
Currently undergoing a 2.8->3.4 swap.....

superz

welll that is what i thought!! you guys can't do a real burnout so you all brag about one wheel peel!!! i knew your pathetic piece of crap v6 motors couldn't pull off a 25 foot burnout. one wheel peel is pathetic. i'm not jokin either so hurl the insults all you want because anyone who braggs about one wheel peel doesn't know what a REAL camaro or firebird with v8 power can do.

87CamaroLT

How's this... I have access to a certain car with a 3.8L V6 in it... Yes its a ::shudders:: Ford, BUT I have won a LOT of money in it... how you ask? Burnout contests... I powerbraked it one time, let off oh-so-lightly, and left a 65ft. (we measured) PAIR of marks. I've beaten Mustang GTs, Camaros, Firebirds, etc... All in that little "underpowered" V6. When my Camaro ran, I sat in the driveway and smoked the tires off of it, and guess what? Sometimes it even spun both wheels! It will do it, even with a open diff. Just not normally the case. And besides that, if you're spinning the tires, that's power you could be using to go forward. When I race someone with a high power car, and they just sit and spin, and I take off, who looks better? Everyone sees me, because I'm in the lead...

So take your V8, shine it up real good, and stick it straight up your candy *** ! (Sorry, had to do it, my friends brought it back from the dead...)

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--'87 Camaro LT --
Currently undergoing a 2.8->3.4 swap.....

Vortex_89rs

Okay superz, since you seem to know so much, what is a burnout? Seems to me it is spinning tire(s). If you can only spin one due to factory limitations, why shouldn't it be called a burnout? You are burning a tire, albeit one, but it isn't your fault that GM got a little dumb and didn't install posi in everything. So why don't you tell me why a one-wheel peel isn't a burnout? Also, how are we supposed to know what an 8 can do if we don't own one genious? Oh, and as to your "REAL" comment, if a 6er isn't a Camaro or a Firebird, why don't you tell us all why they have badges, VINs, emblems, and the like saying they are?
I own a V8, but I am not going to trash 6ers for being slower. Why don't you grow up a little and contribute to this board rather than be detrimental to everyones' good mood?

Vman