92camarorv6

ok i been thinking but i need some help cuse i dont know any thing i stop runing the kit some time ago and well my supra is far out from being done would it be smart to put headers on mayeb a bigger cam thatn what i have now 1.6 roller rockers and not the 1.6 stamped ones fully ported iron heads and stock intake and maybe make a rear mount turbo i don want to set the world on fire with this but 13s or mide 12s would make me happy i dont wany nothing crazy i want the motor to be nice and not pushing it to its limmits.?
so far i have cat back built 700r4 3.4l v6 make shift intake full msd set up and the stamped rocker arms thanks for any help

DeathStarr89

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The first thing I'd do is buy a couple periods and some commas, it seems that you may have run out.


With those heads the only way you'll get it to be that fast is with boost. No need to rear mount the turbo, plenty of room in the engine bay.

Fallen2603

You can remote-mount the turbo. I'm not going to start a fight of whether or not it's a good system. All I know, is plenty of people have had great success flaunting all the taken-for-granted knowledge of turbocharging technology.

One such person:
http://www.v6z24.com/registry/89jyturbo
Of course, the only reason he did this was due to lack of space in the front of his 3400 swapped Cavalier.

If you want to remote-mount turbocharge your V6 Camaro, I'd recommend this:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PSM-70-1206/

Get these, ceramic-coat, and cover in heat-wrap tape. These will help smooth out the bends in the exhaust system, helping you maintain exhaust velocity compared to the stock manifolds. And, the ceramic-coating and heat-wrap tape will help keep as much heat in the system as possible. Both these things will help with turbo spool-up.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WLK-47638/

Then get this, and, again, ceramic-coat, and wrap in heat-wrap tape. You'll have to cut this, and weld in a turbo-flange and wastegate flange, first.

As for the turbo, I'd recommend something very similar to what the remote-mount turbo Cavalier guy has on his Cavalier. Especially if you have fully ported iron heads.

fasteddi

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IMO we have so much room under our hoods that a under-hood mounted turbo set up is easier, and cheeper, since you dont need to but a scavenger oil pump. With remote mount youll need one of these pumps that will help the oil return back to the oil pan.

Pic of mine. I have ported/polished heads with a 260delta cam. The turbo I got seems to work fine. Project89 helped me pick out the turbo awhile back and it isnt to large nor to small to have a fast peppy V6. t3/4 hybrid with a 57mm inducer.



And I recently heat wraped the exhaust which helps.

Fallen2603

The way your hot-side piping is routed, fasteddi, it's maybe only a foot shorter than a remote-mount turbo set-up like I described.

Both ways work. It just depends on what the OP wants to do...

Hell, I'm pretty sure I had this idea a couple years ago. Never did it. Decided to go 4-cylinder.

fasteddi

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Thanks for the compliment

Fallen2603

LOL! Well, even you admitted in your thread your hot-side routing isn't the best way to feed the turbine.

You'll have a much better set-up when you go tubular turbo manifold. I think we can all agree on that.

fasteddi

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I know, its all good. I could only do so much on my build. Doesnt help that im such a newbe at the fabrication

Next winter, the new exhaust project will start then

project89

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save up about 250 bucks fast and u will have a real turbo header long before winter

92camarorv6

yes i will get the headers . but i just like the rear mount turbo more cuse to me the under hood set up looks like cluter. and i kinda like to show my car off and don't want to ppl to see the turbo (only if thay go looking for it) thanks for any input like i set if it runs high 13s for now i would be happy i dont want to get to crazy with it cuse i will be driveing it every day.

any more info would be nice i know some but not all lol did i say i have a 3.4l swap to> and can you bore a 2.8 block out to a 3.4

92camarorv6

nothing?

Fallen2603

If you already have a 3.4L V6 swapped into your Camaro, why are you interested in boring and stroking a 2.8L to a 3.4L?

fasteddi

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Yea Im lost now...why does he want to bore or stroke a 3.4L??

Spend the $ on the turbo Items, Tuning stuff, Wideband AF kit, the turbo, IC, BOV, Wastegate, and so on. There alot of stuff to get so theres a good starting point. Start making a list of what you'll need to buy. And check it twice..lol. If you on a budget like I was look arround on e-bay.

92camarorv6

im geting a free 2.8L thas why i asked thats all and i want to do a rear mount so if i ever go with a say v8 i dont have to redo the hole turbo set up. thanks for any info

Fallen2603

At the very minimum, you'd have to be able to bore that 2.8L V6 block out by 3mm.

I know the engines have different strokes, but I think that was just different pistons and, maybe, different crank strokes.

The rods should be the same for all the 60* V6's if I remember right.

fasteddi

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What year is the 2.8L??? And whats the budget you've got to spend? j/w
You know how to tune the ecm? Or going megasquirt?

(IIRC) MAF set ups can handle some boost like 6-7psi, but Id think to really get the best Hp you want to tune it. And If you have a Speed density system don't ever boost the car without a tune.

But I would never first run my car or even a MAF Turboed car without a Wideband o2 sensor and looking at the ecm sensor values Via the Laptop. I could never afford to fry the motor.

I still hook the laptop every time I drive it if I know im going to boost it when driving, which is basically all the time. Its addictive!

Basically what is the Ecm(computer) you're useing? 165 or 730?? Maf/ or SD?

fasteddi

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Dave are you still working on that vendor thing? To sell the headers?

project89

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yes i am, its just going slowly as im still in the middle of moving out of this crappy apt into my new house.as far as being a sponsor here the price is outrageous so im still up in the air if im going to become a sponsor here or not

92camarorv6

ok my camaro right now is set up with a 93 3.4 motor on the stock 3.1 intake and wireing and ecu will i have a 88 corsica ecu ? i have know clue why it works and seams to be faster them most of you all say it should be 15.80s with hook full msd set up 6a msd coil wires and cap and rotor i like my SD set up but some days i have noted it feels faster then some days the motor just feels lazy if i was to tune i think i like the laptop way set it up like my supra

fasteddi

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So your 3.4 is the block/rods/pistons only? The bottom end? And a 3.1L on the top?

I still dont believe that set up is making that much Hp, not with the 3.1L top manifolds and a msd ignition. Im not trying to bash the set up just saying that its not breaking into 15's unless you have some insane rear end and a stall conv on it.

But anyways. So youll be using a MAF set up then on the turbo 2.8L? Are you able to tune the car?? Cuz if not I woudnt waste my time because Ill tell you right now once you see 6-7psi of boost youll want to just keep turning it up!! And your MAF will only be able to compinsate for so much fuel.

Also you'll either need larger injectors, a FMU or something to keep the fuel coming. And also youll need to retard the timing for every PSI of boost made. I dont thing that MAF will take out timing when in lower boost levels, but I may be wrong as the only things I know about MAF is from being read as I dont have that on my car.

And get a wideband o2 sensor kit of somesort. I cant see how people can just crank up the boost in a car and not use any sort of tuning. My buddy cranked up his eagle talon the other day to 20psi!! WTF without any tunign and a week later we re-tested his compression pressure and he has 2 cylinders that are way off of what the car was a week before and it smokes. I said dont you have a wideband, he said no he checks the plugs...lmfao. No way I could do that to my car, its just too risky!

And another reason for the tuning is, some people say they can hear the spark knock when there tuning there car so they dont use a laptop or anything to monitor the cars sensors. Personally I have never heard KR in my car when tuning but I sure did see knock retard on my latop. This is another thing that I just cant afford to risk. Better safe and overprotective then sorry and having melted pistons or worst.

I appologize for going on and on, but I think its important to be able to monitor the car and its sensors. The monitoring equiptment is cheeper and easier then pulling the motor and tossing a new one in.

92camarorv6

sire i have a supra i know all about tuneing it makes 484rwhp on 15psi and 570 on 21psi . like i sed i dont need it to be super fast just faster then it is now 16.10s with out kit i want to have run 14s ever day with out button, the heads are 3.4 lightly ported smoothed out and we i didnt want to say its go a little baby cam in it the car dose seem to have a dead spot in the rpm from say 4100rpm ish tel 5100 then it picks back up and pulls hard tell 6500rpm .
yes i know your all going to say im rong cuse at 4500 the intake is out of air dont ask me why my car acts the way it dose it just dose it the car will run out of gear befor the motor runs out of ****. the old man i got this car from told me some stuff about the car he keeped saying it was a gm tast car? i have no clue its got 3.55 torsen rear end in it i have had the car for 5 years playing with this and that fixing her up slowly i tryed to get a roost set up going but dave and all didnt smean to want to even try so turbo it is

fasteddi

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Ok man, best of luck

project89

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lol fast give up while ur ahead

Fallen2603

LOL! Man, I'd love to try and help you, but I can't make heads or tails of anything you posted in your last post.

Adrenaline1

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Wow...