Ok I have 2 intakes on the shelf to use. I don't have the money to buya Victor Jr, so I have to choose between these two.

- Weiand Xcellerator

or

-Edelbrock Torker II

Both are single plane, 1 has a higher rise than the other.
It's going on my 10.7:1 383ci. with Pro Action Lightning 200cc
a holley 650DP and a Comp XE276 hyd. flat tap.

Which do you think would suit me better?

 

wow, i wish i had enough knowledge to vote on this poll

 

Does anybody have any input as to which intake and why. I'd like to learn the reasoning behind the opinions.

 

i don't know much about the xcellerator, but i do know that the torker II is about the worst intake known to man. i think that the only one that is worse than the torker II is the torker I. they just don't make that much power. i went from the torker II on my 305 to the Holley street dominator dual plain and picked up like .4 or so in the quarter. i think the wieand intake is taller, i would go with that. the short rise of the torker II really hurts performance. but personally, i'd save my pennies and buy the right part. it's only like $200. that's two weeks pay for me, after bills. i would only put one of those intakes on if you were pressed for time, but if you have the two weeks to spare, then buy the right part. i'd also like to suggest maybe finding a way to earn some more money. nothing more humbling than walking around your neighborhood with a lawnmower in your spare time after work to get some hotrod cash. that's what i do whenever i need something quick.

 

Losing a job in August. Going back to school in September. getting married in October.

There's is nothing I'd rather do than just order a Vic Jr., but cash is super tight right now. And I just want to drive the damn thing.

But what you say about the intake rise makes sense.
What about the Xcellerator and a carb spacer? I have the hood clearance.
I'm running a T5 so stall is not an issue for me.

 

maybe putting a 1" spacer on the Xcellerator would make up for the poor (next to the V. Jr.) design of the intake. this is something you'll have to do some tuning at the track with. run without it, then run with, you'll probably have to jet up to compensate for the spacer as well.

p.s. Congrats on the marriage! hope all goes well!

 

thanks.

Off topic. generally ar Holleys ready to run out of the box.
I have a 650DP. The jet sizes were 67 pri 73 sec.
I jetted up to 73 pri and 80 sec.
And My oil smells like gas, way too rich, so i put it back to what the carb came with. I guess I could start from there.

 

the xcelerator is similar to the torker II which is the bottom end of the edelbrock intakes. designed for 2500-6500 rpms... i would go xcelerator tho... i havent heard much good about the edel. the performer RPM would be best/better for your motor tho...

 

Yeah I'd step up to the Performers myself....

I wish I knew how different the two actually are though.... Well my rule of thumb is, go for the smaller one. Cause if you go too big, then you've got to up the stall on your converter (not an issue for you though), go with a bigger cam, upgrade the heads as necessary for the new cam....and it turns into a mess. If you think the intake is too SMALL......sell it and buy another one.

But if you're worried about money.....talk to the local hot-rodders, see what you can get used.. An intake isnt exactly a wear item...

And....EBAY!

 

I may have a hookup on a Super vic. I put the Xcellerator on last night. the 4 middle bolts were a PIA.

Hopefully the Super VIC deal goes through. i offered him $100CAN, so like a buck and change US

 

A super vic is a high rpm racing intake. It is the wrong intake for your car.

You want a dual plane intake. A high rise dual plane is best.

Edelbrock Performer RPM. or "EPS"
Professional Products Cyclone"Plus" or Typhoon
Weiand "Stealth" 2016

These are the intakes you should be watching for.
Avoid any single plane manifold.

They all will make much more "usable torque" (power) on a application like yours.

You can "improve" your present intake manifold by installing a full divider plate in the plenum. ( improve mid range torque) Weiand ( Holley) still sells this divider.

 

73-80 jetting is way too rich for a 650. Thats the right jetting for a 750 or 800cfm holley.

The jet range for a 650 will be 4/5 jet sizes richer or leaner either way. If your motor needs any thing further, there is something else wrong. ( vacuum leak, poor fuel flow volume)

On a Weiand accelorator I'd use 67-76 jetting. You'll probabily need to Dial in the accelerator pumps.

Is this the intake manifold you're using?

 

I agree with the dual plane intake. How often do you buzz the motor past 4500 rpm. Thats where the intakes your talking about will START to work. The dual plane will work way better down low and mid range where you drive the car 90% of the time. How much gear is in the car?

 

Yep thats the intake. it seems to have a little more meat around the ports to seal with the large intake runners better. the Torker intake was hard to get a good seal.

Jet wise, do you mean 67 primary, and 76 secondary?
And, how do you adjust the accelerator pump?

 

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enter part# EDL-7101

Thats the best bang for your buck. It's sonds like it is going to be about 30 bucks more then you wanted to spend but that intake is the one that i think you should use. With the information that you have given me.

If i new more about what heads you are running all the specs on your cam and the transmission and gears that you have then i would be able to tell you what intake you should run.

As far as jets goes you are running insanely rich. When i had a 650 holley vc carb. on my 305 with a xe262 cam i was runnin 68 in the front and 74's in the back. The carb was a pos so i had to run it rich(long story). I think you should start off with 68-76 that still might be too rich but i guess you'll see.

 

id get a performer rpm with that cam, check ebay my friend, ebays your friend. Id have no problems with buying a used intake, f*ck i bought used heads, used rockers, and a used cam (yes it was roller) only reason im not using the cam is because i needed a small base circle on...reminds me if anybody wants a solid roller

264/272 @.050
.649/.649 lift w/ 1.6 roller rockers
107LSA PM me looking for 200 shipped obo

 

What engine did you have that cam in?

 

i didnt run it at all because the regular size base circle would not clear my 3.8" stroke even with H beams

however it was in a 355 with afr 220s and a super vic intake with 12:1 comperssion and 4.56 gears in a 2800lb chevelle that ran a 10.8 if i remember correctly.

http://community.webshots.com/album/248618235xUSWHo/1

pics on that page, 1st and 9th picture are actual pics of that cam and the 2nd picture is a pic of the cam card.

 

oh and what looks to be like little scratchs or nooks is just cardboard from when it got shipped to me its in perfect condition and has the grind number on it that matches the cam card.

 

The info you need is in the tech section at Holley carbs
You'll likely need to switch to a larger accelerator pump shooter(s) and try different linkage cams. get the plenum divider and try it.

Then get a dual plane intake manifold.

If you search the RPM Classifieds You're likely to find one.