what would be on an fbody cd??

I've been there too, & same thing.
The demo shows very detailed exploded views of how things are assembled.

yea its lame. well i kinda want the whole disc. i know someone out there has one they want to send me

i have one , i will not part with mine . they are great . good luck finding one .

As well as part numbers. This CD and a year-specific shop manual are indispensable, IMO.

JamesC

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I'm guessing it's not a simple process of burning one and sharing some valuable information on an obsolete car?

would be great if someone could rip it as an .avi video format and upload
www.megaupload.com is a really good host for files..

I agree

would be nice

I would imagine that Mike has somehow protected it--and why wouldn't he? He's no doubt put in a lot of time and effort to make a few bucks.

JamesC

a lot of effort to let it say "CDs Temporarily Unavailable" for several years. . .

ill buy one and host it if someone would part with the physical CD...

I've bit my tongue until now.. but i' wondering if the reason it's not available is because he got a letter from the lawyers at helm publishing, or whoever published the original book that somebody scanned the pictures from. There are copyrights to be considered

that's not saying I wouldn't love to have a digital copy, but I would bet there's a legal reason behind it not being available

According to the Legal Disclaimer:

The distributor of this CD is not affiliated with General Motors, Chevrolet and their related companies herein referred to as "GM". Thus any information or media viewed within does not necessarily reflect the latest information available from GM. This CD, i.e. its creator, does not condone the illegal selling of copyrighted material including "bootlegged' or "unauthorized" material and does not practice in such illegal activities. This CD is being provided under the "Fair Use" clause of the United States Copyright Law. If there is any disapproved copyright infringement within this CD, please contact me with those legitimate concerns and I will work to rectify the specified problem(s). All information is reproduced from the Chevrolet Parts and Illustration Manual for F-body (Camaro) cars and is the property of General Motors.

JamesC

That legal disclaimer is a joke... you can't make copies of somebodies else's work, even you DON"T sell them... period.

there's nothing "fair use" about what he's doing. Fair use copyright protection involves take a very small amount of a work and using in very specific ways, like education.


If anybody wants to dispute that, bring it on, I've got years of copyright experience behind me. I was a church media director for years, and had to make sure that everything I did was on the legal up and up

that CD is nothing but a bootleg, and if he thinks his disclaimer gets him off the hook, he's drunk or stupid, or both.

So you're saying that it's against the law for anyone to make copies of the CD, including people on this site?

JamesC

YES! It's against the law to make copies of the book, so of course you can't make copies of pages scanned from the book.

there's an exception... if you OWN the original book, you are allowed to make a copy and transfer it to a different format. so scanning pages for personal use is allowed, but you have to own the original. It's just like if you own a CD you can rip it to your computer, but if you download a CD that soebody else owns, that's illegal

Let's not even talk about the legality of owning the original, and selling copies of it. That's EXACTLY what this guy is doing.

here's a link with more information on "fair use"
http://w2.eff.org/IP/eff_fair_use_faq.php

By the way, I just picked up the legal paper copy on ebay for $15...

got a link?
i'd love to know what all the fuss is about

the link is in the title of the thread

no no no... the original book that the disc has material from
i thought you said you bought a paper copy of the book
im aware of fbodycd.com. ive been wanting a cd for a while

Anyone one know where to get a legal/legit illustration cd/book similar to the one in question... That i could buy?

here's one that I didn't buy because it was so much ore expensive than the other one that was available
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1982-...sQ5fLiterature

seems like this is what everyone is all up in arms about
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CHEVR...#ht_2461wt_939

if i read correctly, its a factory authorized reproduction so you can rest assured you wont be sent to jail lol.

first of all, I DOUBT that's a authorized reproduction. If it was, it would say give the authorization from the copyright holder, which is Helm Inc. I'd bet money it's a bootleg too.

Secondly, that's a service manual, very common.. I have two 85 service manuals and one 89. The assembly guide is much rarer

Here's something interesting:

http://www.gregsonline.com/eshop/***...amaro/0200.htm

Another 86:

http://www.amazon.com/CHEVROLET-CAMA...039209&sr=8-19

JamesC

those look more like the authorized versions that I use on my 58, so it's possible they are legal but it's hard to say

Do they have a 92 Assembly Manual?... Seems its only up to 86....

i'm not sure if the Parts and illustration catalog is the same thing as the Assembly manual or not..... I've bought them both off ebay in the last day, so when they both arrive I'll post the results

Ok, i got them both. bith are interesting in their own ways, but teh assembly manual is much more detailed with diagrams of how things really go together. I think I'll use both, but I'll use the A more

This could be useful.

http://www.amazon.com/CHEVROLET-Chas...736502&sr=1-28

not bad, but I paid less than that for my hard copy,and it's easier to take out in the garage than my computer

do they give bolts, nuts specs like what sizes threads etc?

bump. i bought both. the assembly manual doesnt have bolt or nut info sizes threads ect just part numbers. i havent resived the other book but does it give sizes not just part numbers?

All of the exploded diagrams from the Parts and Illustration manuals are online at www.compnine.com Just look up the make and model of the car, then select the part type, and it shows the exploded diagrams.

That's sick man.. Drew... you rock.

You guys looking for one of these? pm me. :]