I've had good luck with $54 set on ebay [red]

I'm sure there is a political forum some of you guys should be using!

The good ole US of A has 66% of the worlds total wealth. Its just that the rich people have and wont share with us regular people. The richest 85 people in the world own half the planets wealth. Not a countrys wealth but the entire WORLD. There are 27 billionares living in NYC alone.

Save 75$ and support knock off chinese crap... no thanks.

I think a big part of buying cheap parts is being able to say "I beat you with chinease junk"

At least for me lol

well for me i paid less then the holley , and got a better intake , my real hsr got returned to summit racing

Truthfully the only thing i don't like is the polished upper plenum. I'd be roughing it up and then painting it cast aluminum.

same here its bad enough i have chrome timing cover and big ole chrome 110 amp alt , atleast the timming cover really cant be seen , im going to hit the plenum with a red scotch brite pad to dull it and give it a brushed finish

or i may just hydro dip it

I hear that the Chinese use inferior aluminum but that may be a poke. They definately steal our military secrets though since that has been proven. If we didn't help them in WWII they would all still be speaking Japanese and there population would be much less. How quickly people forget.

i have welded on some Chinese aluminum before and it welded like crap had tons of sand in it , i cant really tell ya much more about the intake other then the aluminum apears to be decent quality , a real testwould be welding on it but i have no plans for that

i dont know if i mentioned it but the lower intake is a procomp brand, the upper plenum arived in an unmarked box

I agree, but I think it was in our own best interest to have China on our side at the time vs. forcing their population to fight against us. Not sure if many know of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_Marchhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burma_Railway

The Chinese suffered greatly at the hands of the Japanese for siding with us in WW2. Read up what happened to all the Chinese civilians who helped the survivors of the Doolittle raid.

Interested on more pics and updates.

I just noticed it doesn't except 89-92 style TB unless using a spacer - anyone know why?

Thanks, i'm following you lead on this deal

+1 good reminder

neither does the holley, i think the linkage hits the top of the fuel rail

i dont even know what year tb i have i bought my old tpi system used, didnt even think about mocking up the throttle body on it yet , ill get to it this weekend

Makes sense. Wouldn't matter as id be replacing a TBI and in need of a new cable any. Thx.

Since Japan was taking there land as quickly as they could march to it the only real choice they had is for us and the British to help them. Chenault knew Changkichek or however you spell his name and his wife very well. This led to the formation of the flying tigers which drastically slowed the Japanese down untill we entered the war. The Chinese made airstrips for the B29s by hand. Once the B29s got involved they started having very bad days. To this day the worst bombing the world has ever seen was the incindiary bombing 300 B29s gave to Tokyo. The guys in the B29s could see the fires 150 miles away. There were rivers of fire that melted asphalt and glass and were so deep that people could not tell if the debris was people or limbs from trees. Curtis Lemay was very good at his job. The incindiary bombing did more damage than fat man and little boy. I think Putan is a dangerous man who needs a history lesson. He thinks like Hitler. First the Sudatan land and then Poland.

i ust got in a second procomp hsr and this one is real ugly on the head side.it needs a good bit of cleanup work the ports arent even square
ill get pictures up when i get done off work

Curtis Lemay was a monster

Sounds typical of the cheap Chinese knock off garbage.

War typically has a cast full of monsters like Hitler, Himler, Tojo, Stalin, etc. Lemay did save hundreds of thousands of American lives. The estimated American loss of life invading Japan was around five hundred thousand. The two atomic bombs saved us going through that so we can say by that logic that the Manhatten project and Oppenheimer were monsters as well. The Soviets lost over twenty five million people and still owe the United States over 11 billion (1942 dollars) that they have not paid one cent toward. The only way to completely win a war is not to have one. This way no one has to be a monster.

sorry guys had a long day and tonight im going to hopefully head over and drop my motor back into the car

even though the second hsr is ugly it will still cleanup just as nice as the first one i got it will just take some time to do it, was going to swap the second hsr onto my tbi 3/4 ton truck , but my friend wanted it so im selling it to him

There also were logistical reasons for doing what he did and the way he did them. But I'm sure some of the things mentioned in the links that I posted had something to do with it as well.

Proximity shells also played a role in taking out a lot of their aircraft. It was a secret they didn't know about.

Im still waiting on pics of the head side of the runners..

sorry man just been busy , i just got back from the shop now was working on the engine and getting it back on the car i didnt even think about snapping the head side pics of the new manifold

im going back to the shop in 6 hours , ill grab some tommorow i have the new intake sitting on the work bench

here is the second intake i got , the first one had cleaner ports



its still nothing a die grinder cant fix with a lil bit of work , the roundined corners on the bottom of the ports is just on the very face of the port its like a lil lip , its so thin were it comes into the port u could knock them square with a file

Holy $hit! It look like they were trying to tailor it more for a vortec port than a regular sbc port. Nothing an hour with my porting skills wouldnt fix lol.

i think ur right cause the intake has the bosses to dril out the vortec pattern , this intake also lined up on my raised runner/vortec pattern heads

my other one on my motor was much cleaner on the port side but even this one would only take a lil time to cleanup

i changed directions on my build on my truck so my friend may be buying this intake from me , if not and u were going to order one ill sell ya this one for 250

Lemay went into it with an open mind. He let high altitude bombing go on for a while but they finally figured out that the jet stream over Japan was making there bombs go way off course. They finally figured out that low level bombing worked very well and at night there fighters rarely came up so problem solved. After a short while the P51s had air superiority and they could bomb anytime they wanted. Lemay was advising Kennedy to attack over the Cuban missile crisis but so was all the other military advisers. They really don't get how big the jeenie is they have in the bottle. We were even closer to the end of the world in 1981 when a soviet sensor detected that we had launched (when we didnt) and they almost fired everything they had at us. One Russian colonel disobeyed orders and that saved the world.

This thread is getting weird.

Pm sent project

Think it just turned into the military Channel...

FWIW, I was done w/ my last post.

Would be cool if the intake will work for both types of engines.

I think there are two arguments against this product that are being made and they're being grouped together as one.

There is the issue with buying a foreign product, which I can see the argument that it's no longer feasible to just buy American made products in a global economy.

Then there is the issue of buying a product that is a stolen design. I wouldn't have an issue that someone buys a manifold made in China, but I do think it's a crappy thing to do to knowingly buy an item when the manufacturer stole the design from someone else. You can convince yourself that there wasn't that much R&D for the product or it wasn't that great to begin with, but it's still stolen.

People who own companies aren't always rich people with pockets so deep they won't know the difference. These companies take calculated risks when developing products for our hobby. People buying knock-offs makes it that much harder to make a good business case for designing new products for our enjoyment.

Cheap and fast

-"hot rodding 101"

You can go faster even cheaper by stealing a new Corvette of a dealership lot. Does that make it the right thing to do?

Im hungry, my food needs to get done microwaving.

The really unfortunate thing is those guys simply cannot compete without having things manufactured overseas these days. Free trade only works when the trade group is restricted to people of the same relative quality of life. There's simply no way for domestic labor to compete with foreign labor anymore. Buying Chinese may help the Chinese a little, but if tehy get a little more expensive they will just start moving manufacturing overseas to other countries that are cheaper still. The race to the bottom will take a long time, but it will leave massive economic desolation in its wake with no winners except the massive transnational corporations that are able to profit from it, further concentrating all the worlds money into the hands of very, very few people. Restrict free trade to more localized groups of nations with similar qualities of life and you will see things come back around, but the transnationals are not going to let that happen, and the people are always told that it's not really a problem while the politicians are getting their pockets lined. The societal costs for this kind of thing is massive, and it goes far deeper than buying American or Chinese. We dont really have a choice anymore as the American middle class dwindles due to the massive gutting of middle class job oppurtunities.

This has nothing to do with 1 percents and taxes and political affiliations, this is about the future of the world we live in. Getting hung up on where your automotive widget came from is like getting upset about some curb rash after your car gets totalled by a greyhound bus.

It doesnt matter where you buy your parts from. The smaller companies will either get smaller and more expensive or they will die. The larger companies will move their production overseas because they dont have a choice if they want to compete. There are very few winners in this game, but this policy started in the early 90s, and I'd say we are barely to half time yet. The trends are already very clear, most people around the world will lose, but the winners are the ones calling the shots.

http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/cs...ts-republicans (Skip to 20 minutes in to get to the meat of the argument)

Counterfeit parts are a huge concern, and they're getting worse. But the damage has already been done, it's just playing itself out at this point.

u guys can argue about it being counterfit or not all u want , i had a real hsr in my hands first , it wouldnt work if i decide to have my heads ported out , they r already at 1206 , if well i should say when i send my heads out to be cnc ported they will be 1207 , and the procomp can be ported that far the holley cannot without welding it up

Well project89, I appreciate you trying something different and finding a cheaper alternative for people on a budget. I am glad your happy and hope it works out like you need it to.

why does it say it will only fit up to 1986? Did the intake bolt pattern change after that?

Yes ... the 4 center holes (2 on eaxh side) on the 87' up SBC are at a different angle ... u can elongate the holes in the intake to make it work just don't tighten them down too hard or u could possibly crack the casting because of the pressure not being distributed evenly

91' bird 305 TBI T-5, trick flow heads, 4.10 gears, full UMI setup, track times coming soon!

the intake already has the elongated holes so it will work with 87 and up.
the intake also has the bosses that u can drill for vortec heads

my heads are drilled for both standard and vortec intake pattern, i just used the standard pattern instead of drilling the 8 holes for the vortec pattern

I have 220 cc ports I was wondering if this would seal O.K.Also is this intake as tall as the Holley one.Theirs wont fit under our stock hoods.

Hell I had to do some port matching to my Holley stealth ram for just a 1205 gasket.

Your going to have some time in it, but by the looks it will be just as good as a Holley.

Yeah there will always be those who crucify foreign manufacturers, Japanese manufacturers like Nissan, Toyota and Honda have always been good at taking an American product and making it better, that came from a Detroit Chrysler supplier!

Best of luck to you, it takes everything you got to get a conventional 23* small block to perform up to ls engines and the new types of v8's made these days.

Will this fit under a stock Iroc hood?

I just ordered mine. It should be here by next week.

Mine came in and as previously mentioned it SERIOUSLY needs portwork to make it work. Since I'm running this intake on an LT1 i had to shave an 1/8th of an inch off of each side of the intake in order for it to sit flat due to the valve cover rails being larger on the LT heads. I am now in the process of porting the intake to match the heads as we speak. I'll post up pics when I'm done.