anesthes

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I have not found a source for cheap 52 or 58mm twin bore throttle bodies. The LS2 95 and 105mm units are like $99 all day long.

-- Joe

big hammer

this stuff is getting old. LS stuff is cheap and everywhere.

anesthes

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Yep.. Some might argue that folks are trying to forget the TPI/LT1 stuff as if it never existed.

That's why I mentioned earlier, I wish the chinese would knock off the pro-flo XT intake. For folks that one a horizontal draw SBC it's the way to go. Up to a 105mm LS2 style throttle body makes it a safe bet for a boosted motor.

My next build will probably be a 6.0 though. That stuff is just too cheap now, makes soo much power effortlessly.

-- Joe

big hammer

a cheap proflo would be nice.

is it an option to use an LT1 TB on an hsr?

project89

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Accel-Lingenfelter-58-mm-TPI-fuel-injection-throttle-body-1000-HP-Camaro-Vette-/311146525411?pt=Race_Car_Parts&hash=item4871c732e3&vxp=mtr

big hammer

that's reasonable.

RSD

Have you confirmed that the plemum will clear a stock hood? I am considering buying one but want to keep the stock hood.

anesthes

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Project89 said it's the same dimensions as an HSR, so it should fit a camaro.

Worst case scenario you trim the hood support a hair. I had to do that on my formula hood to clear my elbow.

-- Joe

project89

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it cleared my factory 89 iroc hood ,
would not clear my amd steel 4 inch cowl due to the built in air cleaner box

RSD

Perfect. Thanks!

big hammer

looking for cheap fuel rail alternatives to the holley kit. but by the time you piece together the rails, lines and regulator, there's not a pile of savings.

anesthes

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How so? The holley kit + regulator is what, $268?

The Chinese fuel rail kit is $60

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMALL-BLOCK-CHEVY-ANODIZED-RED-BILLET-FUEL-RAILS-W-FITTINGS-SBC-/131318546113?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e9331fec1&vxp=mtr
And then a regulator is anywhere between $46 and $130 depending on what brand you get (pro products, aeromotive, etc) .

So let's say you went all out, that's what $390 for the "chinese" HSR complete with fuel rails and -6AN fittings

A HSR (satin, not polished) is $366 and the fuel rail/reg kit is $268

Thats $634 for the HSR, $244 more than the chinese version. And again, that is assuming you go with the more expensive regulators.

-- Joe

big hammer

^^^ they don't ship to Canada

badgta

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What ever happened to the new block they came out with that accepted stock sbc parts but takes ls1 top end stuff?

AkDrifted

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Project89 or anyone else were you able to do a comparison of the Holley plenum on the Chinese base? I have the Holley HSR but I have a set of vortec heads I'm going to use and I know they have the chinese vortec base available so is it possible that the Holley plenum bolts to the pro comp base? Or does it require modifications. I emailed pro comp/ speedmaster about this and couldn't get an answer other than
"Sorry sir I am unsure of the Holley manifold will bolt up to our lower.
Speedmaster79"
Thanks in advance guys for the help.

project89

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i never even though about checking when i had both , but they should be the same

but why wouldnt u just buy the complete vortec one base/plenum for 200 bucks instead of just the base

AkDrifted

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I picked up the complete Holley for $200 already and was wanting to get the weiand/ holley vortec base but can't find any dealer that will separate it. I guess I could just get the other set up but I figured I'd save a little money where I could and I didn't know if anyone had tried it. It's worth a shot. Then I wouldn't have to worry about holley fuel rails not lining up on the procomp set up. Just thought I'd ask and then we'd have some more info on these for the next person.

TKR Performance

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Project, I've got a legit HSR on my 406, and was worried about porting it to match my Bowtie Phase II heads, as the material is kinda thin. Also, have you gotten yours running? A big issue with the original HSR's (bought mine in 2004) was that they leaked oil since the head side was machined uneven. Does the Chinese version have this issue too? I "fixed" mine by running a 1245 gasket instead of the usual 1206. If you happen to have any base intakes laying around already ported (my porting skills are still developing) I'll gladly purchase it from you.

project89

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mines been running just fine , no leaks or any issues other then my ecms temp sensor was to small to screw into the water corssover on the manifold
.

im running mine with set of assualt 200cc aluminum heads which are basically dart pro 1 platniums

big hammer

my ching chang chong HSR came today. actually very impressed with it. it's a quality piece and it doesn't feel like **** chung aluminum at all.

Steve Mack

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Looks like a quality piece.How do I get it to fit under a stock hood?I would also like to hear more about the Assault 200cc heads.Thanks

big hammer

supposed to clear a camaro hood, and supposed to clear a firebird with some notching on the hood framing.

project89

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https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/afte...00cc-64cc.html

if u need ot know anything else let me know

Steve Mack

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Thanks for the info.I am really interested in these and the Chinese Stealth ram.

RSD

I received mine and was very impressed. I am not working on gathing everything else to convert my 83 to TPI. The winter project has begun.

Orr89RocZ

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So tempted to get a vortec one for my 305 project

anesthes

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I'd buy one if I could mount a LS2 throttle body to it. I wish they made two different lids.

I suspect I could cut and weld a LS2 flange on the lid, but by the time I'm done might as well bought a pro-fo XT or ramjet eh?

-- Joe

project89

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ditch the 305 , get a jy vortec shortblock from the jy or a tbi truck motor withthe small chamber tbi heads , slap a set of the assualt heads and ching chong hsr and boost the hell out of it

both of those jy motors should have the dished pistons from the factory
for about a grand u have one very capable n/a 350 , then u add the turbo and the fun really starts

Steve Mack

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Hi Anesthes, what else besides the pressure regulator would I need to hookup those fuel rails to the Stealth Ram ?Thanks,Steve

anesthes

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Some adapters to adapt your factory fuel lines to -6AN. Some years had two 16mm saginaw (o-ring) fuel fittings, others had a 16MM and a 14MM. Figure out what you have and then order appropriately from summit. Russel, earls, even summit house brand make 'em.

I normally use something like this:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/rus-640830/overview/

Then make up a short run of braided -6 line to the rail.

One for feed, one for return.

-- Joe

project89

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no need for all that

goto napa and have them make u hydralic hoses

for the feeed u can have them make a hose with a jic -6 female on one and and a hose to 3/8s hardline adapter ( compression fitting) on the other

then u just cut the stupid metric fitting off the factory feedline and install the hose
total cost on the fuel feedline is 23-32 bucks total , the hydralic hose is basically steel braided line with a ruber coating over the steel braid and its rated to a much higher presure then standard braided or pushloc hose

u can also have them make the return line , i didnt bother cause i had enough pushloc hose to make the line fromthe rail to the regulator , and then i just used barbed fittings from the regulator back to the factory return line and used standard fuel injection hose and hose clamped it since there is minimal presure from the regulator back tot he tank/factory hardline

when i asked them the price for doing aline for my new fuel pump it was 100 bucks for 25 ft of 1/2 inch id hose with 2 -10 ends i ust gave them the 25ft number to get a general estimate ont he price i wont need anywere near that much hose to from the pump to the engine

Pocket

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The plenum is a simple box, so fab your own with whatever TB flange you want

anesthes

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Is hydraulic hose rated for gasoline and alcohol ?

-- Joe

anesthes

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I've thought about it. Maybe one day. I'd probably weld up the supplied box rather than try to make one. Probably spend more time on the mill or belt sander trying to get the surfaces to seal than it's worth.

-- Joe

project89

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i was told it was rated for gasoline and diesel , friend uses it on the farm on alo tof there equipment has been for years with mostly diesel fuel and has never had an issue


the hose comes in parker and gates , they even have it with ptfe liner

project89

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basically this is it

http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...508_0215881806

check with ur local store for the brand they carry and its ratings as they do vary browse napaonline.com for hydraulic hose and u will see all the different types

Steve Mack

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Thanks guys,Steve

robertfrank

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I wish I could've used the one I bought and ported, my 91 got rearended so I no longer have use for it.

92rsvortec350

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Hey project can you or anyone else tell me what the size and thread is for the vac. holes in the back of the plenum I bought one a few months ago ported it and its on my new setup but the brass barb fittings that I have used in the hsr in the past wont fit this one its a different thread.

anesthes

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Hrmm. I'd use it on a track car, but being not DOT approved I'd be leary for insurance reasons using it on something that sees the street. Wouldn't want to lose a million dollars in property over a $40 hose

-- Joe

project89

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i would trust this more then an stuff its a ton more resitiant to abrasion and leaks , but as u say if something were to happen it isnt dot aproved

but i dont belibe steel braided line or pushloc is either

TKR Performance

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I'm sorry that happened to you. A few years ago I had to put a whole new front end on my car when a soccer mom in a Lexus SUV cut me off in the rain and jammed on her brakes. Then she gets out of her SUV, still on her phone, and yells at me for it. Is your damage repairable?

robertfrank

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The whole body was tweaked and since my insurance won't cover it I'm having to part out whats left

Orr89RocZ

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Lol hell no i always wanted to boost a 305. I got two 91 lb9's here. One is getting built other in car is stock for initial turbo setup

project89

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i just dont see the point , yeah yeah i know im the guys withthe high powered v6,s but those cars were v6 cars to start lot of work to swap in the v8.

but u have a v8 car its abolt in deal why even bother when u can make a ton more power , then again i guess with the 8 second ride of urs u dont need another one thats a rocket


if u lived closer would be badass to line urs and mine up one day, mines getting alot of upgrades this winter , wifes starting to yell at me.This week alone ive filled the living room up with an 8.8 rear a entire new fuel system, wheels and tires, parachute, and a bunch of other lil stuff

TKR Performance

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Project, how did you solve the ECM temp sensor issue? I was thinking an adapter would suit the purpose maybe if you cut a few threads off? I'm going to be buying one of these and that's my last hanging point. Everything else from my original SR I'll just swap over.

Orr89RocZ

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Yup! Already have a rocket, dont need another complicated build. Trying to make this simple for now. Wouldnt mind a simple na setup either but i sold my longtubes for this turbo stuff. Feel stuck now

You were out in johnstown area at one time right? Sucks my car wasnt together then, it would have been nice seeing another turbo thirdgen

anesthes

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Do you guys think it would be too difficult to make an adapter to run a LS2 throttle body (4 bolt) on a chinese stealth ram ?

I kind of want to mount my throttle body facing forward for plumbing reasons but if I do I'll need a new hood. (need 10" in the front of the block). If I go to a lower profile elbow, I'll have to run a remote thermostat. (and the elbow might flow horrible).


-- Joe

1991sleeper

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Damn man my 91 just got totaled too

project89

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an adapter would work , i just screwed mine into a water port on the back of the intake for now , as those are the correct size for the factory sending unit