Auto Detailing and Appearance Share tips and tricks on how to make your Third Gen shine! Get opinions on products or how something tasteful looks on your Chevrolet Camaro or Pontiac Firebird.

Fender Vent(ing)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 7, 2004 | 08:50 PM
  #1  
Midnight Sun's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 541
Likes: 2
From: Mill Creek, Washington
Car: 1983 Trans Am
Engine: N/A
Transmission: N/A
Fender Vent(ing)

So when I bought my fenders used from Hawks, he could not find any for a trans am. So I opted to just take the base firebird type. This was almost a year ago.

Now that my car is out of commission, waiting for paint and drivetrain I decided to take care of the passenger side fender (the driver side was ruined in crash) and turn it into a Trans Am fender

Original


After cutting it up and measuring (tedious)


Not pretty welds, but it gets the job done


They may be ugly, but they pentratrated and are strong
]

Slapped onthe bondo to cover seems


Pretty smooth and seamless after sanding


With the vent in place
]


Not the best job inthe world, but I am pleased with it. And it was free (minus 3 1/2 hours of my life). How much would this of cost me at a bodyshop?

-Eric
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2004 | 09:28 PM
  #2  
Daytona T/A's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 618
Likes: 0
Car: 1983 25th Anniversary Daytona 500 Pace Car Trans Am
Engine: 5.0L 305 Crossfire-Injected V8
Transmission: 4 spd. auto
I dnt know how much it would cost but it looks good! :hail:
Reply
Old Jul 7, 2004 | 10:31 PM
  #3  
deadbird's Avatar
TGO Supporter
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 6,775
Likes: 27
From: So.west IN
Car: 87 Formula/ 00 Xtreme
Engine: TPI 305/ v6
Transmission: struggling t-5/ 4l60E
Axle/Gears: 3.08/ 3.23
Definately looks like you did a good job. Now, if you can do that.. flush doorhandles are just w/in your grasp....
Attached Thumbnails Fender Vent(ing)-pt05.jpg  
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 12:02 AM
  #4  
Orinackra's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 1,374
Likes: 2
From: Pittsburgh, PA
Car: 06 SRM M6 GTO, 98 Grand Prix GTP
For the price you'd pay a bodyshop, it might be easier to buy the fender with the hole in it.

I thought about doing what you did, but laziness kicked in, and I bought them already done.
Attached Thumbnails Fender Vent(ing)-bling.jpg  
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 12:39 AM
  #5  
EvilCartman's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,321
Likes: 4
From: Northern CA.
Car: '82 Z28
Engine: 350
Transmission: TH400 4,000 stall
Axle/Gears: Currie 9", 4.56 gears
Originally posted by deadbird
Definately looks like you did a good job. Now, if you can do that.. flush doorhandles are just w/in your grasp....
Which handles did you use? Never seen the door finished, looks really good
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 01:28 AM
  #6  
Badazz85TA's Avatar
Member
20 Year Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 106
Likes: 2
From: Southern California
Car: 1985 Trans Am
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4 Automatic
ya wat handles did u use???
they look imaculate!!!

good job on the fender too!!!
if it was me i would have just gone junkyarding to find a t/a fender
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 01:56 AM
  #7  
Agent13's Avatar
Moderator
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,301
Likes: 13
From: Chicagoland
Car: 1983 Daytona Trans Am
Engine: LG4
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Great job!

BTW What color you going to paint the '83?
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 02:08 AM
  #8  
FLYNLOW92rs's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 5,169
Likes: 0
:lala: :lala: :lala:


Always a fan of fender vents, they just didn't come on the stock 3rd Gen camaro , so i borrowed it from earlier generations.........
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 04:03 AM
  #9  
Pillsbry10's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,023
Likes: 3
From: Evansville, IN
Car: 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniversary
Engine: 3.4L v6 with a t3/t4 Turbo
Transmission: T-5 Conversion
Axle/Gears: 3.23 SLP Limited Slip
yeah so did i....im your less powerfull twin
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 05:16 AM
  #10  
Midnight Sun's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 541
Likes: 2
From: Mill Creek, Washington
Car: 1983 Trans Am
Engine: N/A
Transmission: N/A
Originally posted by 82FirebirdTA
Great job!

BTW What color you going to paint the '83?
Black.

I might go with some gold leaf or at least gold pinstripes... But that will be later.
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 11:12 PM
  #11  
EvilCartman's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,321
Likes: 4
From: Northern CA.
Car: '82 Z28
Engine: 350
Transmission: TH400 4,000 stall
Axle/Gears: Currie 9", 4.56 gears
Originally posted by Badazz85TA
ya wat handles did u use???
they look imaculate!!!

good job on the fender too!!!
if it was me i would have just gone junkyarding to find a t/a fender
After checking his website, they're Dodge Intrepid handles. Theres one in my buddy's shop right now and it has the same handles. Only thing I don't like about them since now I've seen them in person is they bubble out a bit. I'd like to find something flush for a cleaner line, they still look damn good though on the car
Reply
Old Jul 8, 2004 | 11:24 PM
  #12  
Xlr8torZ28's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (19)
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 690
Likes: 0
From: DFW
Car: 1991 Z28 & 1992 Z28
Engine: LB9 & L98
Transmission: T56 & T56
Axle/Gears: 4.10s & 3.23s
I have seen the older chevy truck handles put on a 3rd gen door. They sit flush, but they are also known for being broke into easy.
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2004 | 02:05 AM
  #13  
Midnight Sun's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 541
Likes: 2
From: Mill Creek, Washington
Car: 1983 Trans Am
Engine: N/A
Transmission: N/A
I was looking at my friend's Nissan. And they looked perfect.

He has a 1990 240sx. And he told me that his generation of car is pretty abundant at most salvage yards.
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2004 | 06:25 AM
  #14  
SC82TA's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 803
Likes: 2
From: Los Angeles, CA/San Diego
Car: 1982 Pontiac Trans Am
Engine: Stock carbed 305
Transmission: Stock 200C
Yeah I see a bunch of 240's at the yards here.
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2004 | 09:34 PM
  #15  
deadbird's Avatar
TGO Supporter
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 6,775
Likes: 27
From: So.west IN
Car: 87 Formula/ 00 Xtreme
Engine: TPI 305/ v6
Transmission: struggling t-5/ 4l60E
Axle/Gears: 3.08/ 3.23
(My apologies to Midnight for the thread hijack)
Originally posted by EvilCartman
Only thing I don't like about them since now I've seen them in person is they bubble out a bit. I'd like to find something flush for a cleaner line, they still look damn good though on the car [/B]
Thanks (and also to badazz).
I'm not sure how flush you want flush to be (and I'm not taking it as critisism) but.. mine are about as flat as any handle I found rummaging through the boneyard. Granted, mass produced, recycled (used on a few other models too) econobox handles aren't going to be precision, but, they (the door lines) matched the f-body door/body extremely well (curvature). I though they were nice and.. that whole rattle problem will never happen again ( )....
Attached Thumbnails Fender Vent(ing)-dcp_0014.jpg  
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2004 | 09:47 PM
  #16  
FLYNLOW92rs's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 5,169
Likes: 0
Look pretty damn flush to me.......

Almost as cool as shaved door handles.......
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2004 | 10:24 PM
  #17  
Midnight Sun's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 541
Likes: 2
From: Mill Creek, Washington
Car: 1983 Trans Am
Engine: N/A
Transmission: N/A
Originally posted by FLYNLOW92rs
Almost as cool as shaved door handles.......
Yeah... almost:lala:

No worries about the hijack Deadbird. Between your doorhandles, paintjob and home made exhaust you are sort of serving as my example.

Two things.

1) What is the full story on having shaved door handles?
-If I shave it myself, how much do actuators run for?
-What are the NHRA/IHRA rules about them?

2) Deadbird, I like the handles you used, but, it looks like it is two parts, the handle itself, and then the bottome portion under it. How hard would it be to make the lower portion flush, so then the only lines would be the handle itself?
Reply
Old Jul 9, 2004 | 10:27 PM
  #18  
FLYNLOW92rs's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 5,169
Likes: 0
Originally posted by Midnight Sun

1) What is the full story on having shaved door handles?
-If I shave it myself, how much do actuators run for?
-What are the NHRA/IHRA rules about them?
Rouhly 100-200 for the autuators.....

They aren't legal at the track......I have gone to a track with them, but i leaned againist my door and never moved once during tech inspection......

However they can kick you off a track for not having handles, if you are big into drag racing (which i'm not) then it's not a wise idea.......
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2004 | 01:17 PM
  #19  
KBeez's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 363
Likes: 0
From: UT
Car: 88 Camaro S/C
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700-R4
wow that fender vent looks amazingly flush, I really really want to do that, but I don't think I'll be able to find a trans am fender at the yard I've looked.

and p.s, is that a different vent than what flynlow92 has? I like that look alot better than flynlow's. (no offense flynlow, you have one of the baddest cars you can get and I envy you hehe, and the vents are awesome, I've just always thought it would look even better if the vent was perfectly flush)
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2004 | 02:51 PM
  #20  
deadbird's Avatar
TGO Supporter
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 6,775
Likes: 27
From: So.west IN
Car: 87 Formula/ 00 Xtreme
Engine: TPI 305/ v6
Transmission: struggling t-5/ 4l60E
Axle/Gears: 3.08/ 3.23
Thanks Midnight ... as far as the handles go, I don't think they could be made 'seamless' easily due to them being plastic (like filling in bumper to fender seams). I'm guessing you're talking aobut something similar to this right ?....
Attached Thumbnails Fender Vent(ing)-dcp_0016.jpg  
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2004 | 03:50 PM
  #21  
irocbirdbuilder's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,378
Likes: 0
From: Thornton colorado
Car: 91 Camaro RS
Engine: TBI
Transmission: 700r4
Nice work bro. THe welds dont look bad at all, being a welder i can tell you body work is not the easiest to do. Not enough weld and it wont hold too much weld and you'll shoot right through it. ANd there is not a big margin for error especially after a few welds when the metal is hot. Shave the antenna and handles and you'll be cool!
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2004 | 04:17 PM
  #22  
EvilCartman's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 5,321
Likes: 4
From: Northern CA.
Car: '82 Z28
Engine: 350
Transmission: TH400 4,000 stall
Axle/Gears: Currie 9", 4.56 gears
Originally posted by deadbird
(My apologies to Midnight for the thread hijack)
Thanks (and also to badazz).
I'm not sure how flush you want flush to be (and I'm not taking it as critisism) but.. mine are about as flat as any handle I found rummaging through the boneyard. Granted, mass produced, recycled (used on a few other models too) econobox handles aren't going to be precision, but, they (the door lines) matched the f-body door/body extremely well (curvature). I though they were nice and.. that whole rattle problem will never happen again ( )....
Huh that's pretty damn flush compaired to the handles I saw in person. Probably just a design change between the years.
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2004 | 04:22 PM
  #23  
Midnight Sun's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 541
Likes: 2
From: Mill Creek, Washington
Car: 1983 Trans Am
Engine: N/A
Transmission: N/A
Originally posted by irocbirdbuilder
Nice work bro. THe welds dont look bad at all, being a welder i can tell you body work is not the easiest to do. Not enough weld and it wont hold too much weld and you'll shoot right through it. ANd there is not a big margin for error especially after a few welds when the metal is hot. Shave the antenna and handles and you'll be cool!
Thanks, that is really encouraging And the antenna is already gone, but I think I gotta keep the handles so I can get at least one ETA.

Originally posted by deadbird
I'm guessing you're talking aobut something similar to this right ?....
That is exactly what i am talking about. heh, I am surprised my description made any sense at all.

Originally posted by KBeez
and p.s, is that a different vent than what flynlow92 has
Yes, he used fender vents for the 79-81 Camaros (I think). I just used the stock vents that are supposed to be on an 83 Trans Am. As for finding them. I bet it shouldn't be too hard to find some smashed up Trans Am fenders and cut the vents out and put them in a firebird fender. But, it might be cheaper to just go to Hawks and buy new Trans Am fenders. I just happend to have all tools and parts needed to do it.
Reply
Old Jul 10, 2004 | 07:33 PM
  #24  
KBeez's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 363
Likes: 0
From: UT
Car: 88 Camaro S/C
Engine: 350
Transmission: 700-R4
oh hehe, I didn't even know the third-gen trans ams still kept the fender vents hehe. I focus on the camaro's almost exclusively
And would the 3rd gen ta vent work on a camaro fender? I want one to sit flush, 'cause with the 91 gfx having a vent go the opposite direction really clashes imo, but if you can hardly see it from the front it'd be pretty bad imo
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2004 | 12:01 AM
  #25  
Midnight Sun's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 541
Likes: 2
From: Mill Creek, Washington
Car: 1983 Trans Am
Engine: N/A
Transmission: N/A
Originally posted by KBeez
oh hehe, I didn't even know the third-gen trans ams still kept the fender vents hehe. I focus on the camaro's almost exclusively
And would the 3rd gen ta vent work on a camaro fender? I want one to sit flush, 'cause with the 91 gfx having a vent go the opposite direction really clashes imo, but if you can hardly see it from the front it'd be pretty bad imo
It sits flush compared to what Flyinlow has. But they arent molded into the body. They have a little frame type of thing that is made of sheet metal, and then the vent is made of plastic and clips into that frame. The vent frame and my fender are flush, but there is still a gap from the actual plastic Vent and the metal of the fender. Which is how it looks stick

What I did was cut the frame out of my smashed T/A fender, and then cut a space out for it into my Firebird fender. Then welded tabs to the frame and then welded the tabs to the body, and filled the seems with bondo.

Firebird fender(black)
T/A vent frame(red)
Tabs welded to frame (blue)
Bondo (Yellow)
Arrows point to the places where I welded


In this hi-res picture you can the see the gap between the plastic piece and the sheet metal better.



But... to answer your question, I think they would look great on a camaro with GFX. I am putting new GFX on my car, and all it does is accent. Also... they are nut just pretty they are functional, they let air out of the front end of the car so at high speeds there is a place for it to escape so your front end will ride lower. Also, if you take out your plastic shield things inside of the fender, it will allow a place for air to run in through and get into your brakes and cool them off a little.
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2004 | 12:07 AM
  #26  
Sickness91Z28's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,226
Likes: 6
From: Chesterfield, Indiana
Car: 1991 Z28 Camaro
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: Jasper 700R4 Stage II
Axle/Gears: 3.23 For Now
with my old Camaro, I acutally molded the TA Fender Vents into the lower portion of the fender...I posted picture of it aloooong time ago..I'll see if I can find'em.
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2004 | 12:08 AM
  #27  
irocbirdbuilder's Avatar
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,378
Likes: 0
From: Thornton colorado
Car: 91 Camaro RS
Engine: TBI
Transmission: 700r4
I would also liek to know if the contour of the camaro fender is the same as the t/a i had considered this on my camaro but could not find a single one with teh vents still on it around here. Now im kinda thinking of not doign them becasue i really dont want to hack a hoel in fenders that are in perfect shape.
Reply
Old Jul 11, 2004 | 12:10 AM
  #28  
Sickness91Z28's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 4,226
Likes: 6
From: Chesterfield, Indiana
Car: 1991 Z28 Camaro
Engine: 5.7
Transmission: Jasper 700R4 Stage II
Axle/Gears: 3.23 For Now
Originally posted by irocbirdbuilder
I would also liek to know if the contour of the camaro fender is the same as the t/a i had considered this on my camaro but could not find a single one with teh vents still on it around here. Now im kinda thinking of not doign them becasue i really dont want to hack a hoel in fenders that are in perfect shape.

does this answer your question?

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...t=Fender+Vents
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Pac J
Tech / General Engine
3
May 17, 2020 10:44 AM
Jorlain
Exterior Parts Wanted
8
Jun 29, 2017 11:04 PM
jovibuilt
Exterior Parts Wanted
3
Oct 18, 2015 08:12 PM
BrianChevy
Wheels and Tires
5
Oct 13, 2015 12:33 PM
Fanatic1074
Interior
4
Oct 2, 2015 03:47 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:25 PM.