alright, lots of people think wings (spoilers) and say R icer.

Your forgeting that our cars are RWD and can benefit from wing on the car.

So here are some wings I think could look good and remain functional. It gives a more road race, GT style to it

What do you think?

http://www.wingswest.com/products_us_detail.asp?id=19
http://www.wingswest.com/products_us_detail.asp?id=5

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...12&prmenbr=361

any of these
http://www.slickcar.com/GT-wings.asp

http://www.autotoyaz.com/gtalwiadhedo1.html

these are the wings I like for our cars including the 4th gen TA wings and Z28 high rise, but more options are available than those.

I think the GT styles, with big fat rims, and lowered is perfect race car look and remain functional for high speed touring and carving corners.

 

If you think it would look good and its what you want to do, just go ahead and do it. I personally don't like any of those wings, maybe the one on the BMW, probably to short though.

probably why GM stuck one on your IROC

 

umm unless your running like 150+ mph all the time then the wing is pretty much just there for apperance...LOL

as for the ones you listed there they are for the most part not very appealing on a thirdgen .......

 

How?

Besides the obvious aerodynamic applications on a race car, how does any street car benefit from these wings? You're running a stock 89 IROC motor with some bolt-ons. You may run 14 flat in the quarter, but if you're drag racing and hitting 100mph tops, these wings do nothing for you. The three-piece spoiler you already have will probably do a better job aerodynamically than any cheap knock-off GT wing. All of the wings you posted are useless on a street application. And out of all of them, only the last one looks half decent.

If you really want a touring car, save your money for a new engine, cause what you have now is not going to cut it. You'll need a new transmission with lightweight race parts, a carbon fiber or aluminum driveshaft, a rear end that can handle more than 400hp, a whole new suspension, and a lot less weight before that wing becomes beneficial. At that point, you should know not to buy anything with APC in the name to control your car's handling, and you will purchase a high-quality, adjustable carbon fiber/aluminum wing and you will learn how to use it. High-speed aerodynamics are as complex as suspension geometry; you can't just throw something on.

Believe me when I tell you, I am not trying to be an *** to you. I love the GT touring look as much as a lot of people here hate it, but it serves no purpose on a street car. I personally hope you do not try to take high speed racing to the streets, as I've watched first hand how wrong it can go. I would love to get into a touring class car and do some laps around a track, though. Those cars can really haul some ***.

On the plus side, if you really do pursue professional racing and style your car as a GT tourer, I think you'll be the first member here to do it.

 

Hrmm so explain why my RS felt more stable @70 mph with the 91-2 Highrise spoiler I put on it?



Kat

 

strictly mental .....

 

Self-affirming delusion that you made a purchase for functionality and not appearance.

 

Not into any of them...

I would say High rise spoiler or the TA 4th gen spoiler!

 

 

All the wings posted are hideous and a travesty if installed on one of our cars. You do not need a wing on our cars unless you drift or you road race in a fast and modified class. If you for some reason need a wing on the street, you need to not drive in that manner on the street.

 

it does provide down force. How many of you guys been over a 100mph? It doesnt take long to do that and on some roads, it wil make the car feel more stable.

Yeah, i see what your saying my car runs 14 flat but will go high 13's and its not neccessary to have the wing, but why do some guys have RAM AIR hoods, SS hood, Cowl hoods that arent functional at all, and dont need 3-4inches of clearance? Its appearance only and a wing does that while having some functionallity.

Those wings are GT styled and give the look of a GT car. I happen to like that look and if you read my plan for my car in future, you will know that I will be pushing lots of power some day and can benefit from that. That wing will have some possitive effects. Alot of factory cars come with wings like mustangs, STI, EVO, Porshe and lots of others that can use them. I have seen tests that these wings do provide a helpful down force to add stability to high speeds. Hell the beetle bug has a pop up one that says it adds some ability to hold rear end down. LOL


you cant tell me a C5R race car doesnt look bad ***!! Those things are sweet and if I had a C5 , that be the first thing i would do. LOL

 

dont get your panties in a bunch now ...LOL

you asked for opinions on wings on thirdgens if i remember correctly right??

we gave them ...

they will not make a noticeable difference on a car that you are driving on the street period......

as for the looks of it well to each thier own right ......its an apperance thing just like it is on a honda ...LOL

as for the hood issue thats about the same thing unless someone ducts it in to make it functional like on the cown or the ram air style....but 9 out of ever10 of them are just apperance only ...i agree ..

 

HAHA just for anyone who is trying to say other wise unless you are doing over id say 150-200 mph at a constant rate there is no reason for spoilers ON ANY street cars as far as functionality goes

r1ce even more stupid putting it on there FWD cars and saying its functional MORONS

they are there simply for appearance and none of the r1ce ones will look good on a third gen...someone already did it on that lime green/yellow TA and it looks stupid but whateve you want its your car

FERRARI F 50 NEEDS SPOILER...YOU....DONT!

 

sorry, it sounds like i am upset a bit but i am not. LOL


Dont take anything I say to be real **** or like i am pissed off or anything LOL, i never get mad, just stating some stuff. Pointing out that alot of people go, aw that looks like *** or somthing and seems like everyone has a set opinion on how thirdgens should look.

I do too, but i dont know why everyone thinks GT looks bad

AN IROCZ was a race car!! LOL GT is race car do, seems like a match to me

 

Oh and cars look naked without a wing anyway. They all need something, those wings are nice to me, but i probly gonning HAWKS 5" spoiler but its a bit pricey for what you get. LOL

 

C5Rs do look badass, but they have a LOT of engineering behind them. And you're right, a lot of factory cars come with functional wings, but they also have a lot of engineering behind them. A one-size fits all, cheap, flexible APC wing does not.

I'm not against you doing what you want to your car at all. I do believe you should think about more, though. You may have 150 bucks or so to blow, but seriously, save it for the engine. When you have your engine built and sitting on an engine stand waiting to get installed, then go splurge on a wing and get some fresh paint. Install motor and grin from window to window.

Remember, these are all just opinions. Take them as they come, and make your own decision.

 

Wheres FLYNLOW92rs?

 

 

I aint getting any appearance mods till my suspension is built up and my interior is finished. I might do some minor engine work like a superram, but saving up for whole rebuild or ZZ4 short block and trickflow heads.

The wing is just an idea to see what you all think about it LOL. I never said i was gonna do it. LOL Just posting some ideas that i think could look good.

I need so see it in person or on a good photochop to see what it would look like. LOL

 

 

now thats a nice car

as far as the gt wing, if you think you would need it on your car, put all the money into making it fast enough to need it, then go and buy it

 

I bet this guy has downforce out the butt .

IMO the back of a camaro is just to flat looking without the 3 peice fin.......But if you really had to go with somthing other then that I would say the hawks high rise.

 

Some of you guys are right, but for the wrong reasons. Even the smallish spoiler on the (stock) Iroc will produce useful downforce at speeds as low as 60 MPH, HOWEVER...

Why do you need this downforce? What you think makes the car more "stable" is the drag effect. You need high speed downforce because you have so much horsepower, you are having traction problems above 70 MPH. Obviously this is most useful for road racing applications, where traction is at a premium excellerating out of corners on high HP cars. On a drag racer, unless you are spinning the tires at speed, ANY spoiler is just slowin you down because of drag. You will be way ahead to just use better tires if you are spinning at speed.

So, which problem do you have that a spoiler will solve? Massive high speed powerslides coming off corners above 70mph? Wheelspin at the dragstrip above 70 mph? No? Trying to impress ingorant people with your "C5R wannabe" style at a stoplight? That's what I though. As long as you can admit it to yourself, get what you want. Aesthetics is a function, and only you can decide if it acheives that function. In my opinion, the car already has a spoiler that fits it's lines nicely.

Troy
So Cal

 

the tips dont stick out at all on that car

 

Really, lol... I didnt realize it till this thread came up, but I haven't seen him around in a long time!

 

Do I sense a bit of cockyness and smarta$$? LOL just playing man but seriously, you sound a bit like an a$$. AGAIN i didnt say I wanted that spoiler or was getting it. Just offered my view of wings on our cars. Alot of you guys dont like them but those ones seem acceptable to me. Just my opinion. LOL

My car doesnt need the wing now, and may not ever get one, but the car will become a beast of a street car one day so that wing will serve its purpose.


I do plan on racing my car at high speeds and ocassional road race autocross thing. I agree that stock Iroc 'spoiler' if you can call it a spoiler fits nicely. I want to hawks 5 inch to make it stand out.

But C5R wanna be? Not trying to be that, but accomplish that GT look in a street car THAT is capable of doing those road race things. The look is there but it will have function. Not like Ric e.

There are roads around me that i can go real fast on and that are curvey where the back end of the car starts to kick out. ITs not a great feeling doing a S curve at 80mph and feel the rear kicking out. A wing would solve that prob and I hope the Hawks can, but a aluminum one like GT style will add lots of force to stabilize the car. Again, i dont drive like that all the time but when I want to, i want to do it more safely with added support of the wing.

A car that is capable of running 10's in the quarter mile, doesnt mean it has to do it on the street everytime. LOL So a car with a wing that serves function on road race course doesnt mean its not practical on street car when it is capable of doing autocrossing.

Build your daily driver as you want it. I want a mean, fast, handling car so a wing will be necessary for an application like this. Although it will see minimum road courses, it will see the back roads where i drive. LOL I still not set on the exact look of it yet, but am willing to experiment with it. LOL

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Not really any of these cars will truly benefit from these "wings". They're just for show and we need to accept it.

The way I look at it though, the IROC RACE CARs only had the 5" wings, so why would I need anything more?

 

man this thing looks like someone took the shelves i built in highschool shop class 18 years ago and painted them and put them on his car....LMAO....

i always wondered where those went

 

Yea there really tucked way under the back bumper......its just the way your looking down on the car that makes them look like there sticking out. I think this car is for sale on Ebay somewere.

 

If you're actually adding the wing for aerodynamic balance, you'll probably want to look into adding front downforce as well, otherwise you'll get more understeer on high-speed corners (which if you're cornering at the limit on public roads, well, you should be on a track). Don't forget the wing will increase drag as well, so your straightline speed will go down. Finally, I believe the factory rear spoilers are more for detaching the airflow from the back of the car to lower the coefficient of drag, and don't actually generate downforce (but may prevent a bit of lift, which is similar to saying that it generates downforce).

I'm looking at adding a front and side skirt, along with a rear wing and diffuser to the Z28tt, but will probably just have that for the track.



Somehow, I'd like to keep it simple and practical, not the triple decker monstrosities I've seen on local imports.

 

I do like the idea of somehow modding the front gfx to add a front splitter type spoiler to add more down force to front end while increasing the ram air effect to the intake boxes. It will get rid of the narrow looking front ends, and with a hood like a SS or cowl type, it will look awesome. my opinion.

 

I recently removed the factory aero spoiler on my Formy due to "wing rot", and the difference in highway driving/high speed driving reminded me that it was gone. The hind end felt light and transitional movements at speed (quick lane changes) feel exaggerated. So much for scientific research, I know...

FWIW high-speed testing proved that the factory aero wing was the best design available for that satflat Firebird that was in HotRod a while ago. While I have no plans for a 200 or 300-mph run in this car, I'll stick with the stock design because of what I stated earlier. Well, that and the car does look like hiney without the wing...

K

 

Keep it clean guys, so far its been a fairly clean debate

However, I know where this will more than likely end up, so just keep it clean. Thanks.

 

Most spoilers that people put on cars are only for looks... and IMO, BAD looks... but anyways... the spoilers would make a difference even at normal highway speeds... I was reading an article on the 70s Corvettes... apparently in 1974 when they switched the style of the rear end (got rid of small spoiler, or the turned-up lip on the rear bumper) the cars got quite unstable at speeds of around 100 MPH... wind would actually drop off the rear bumper and go under the car lifting the rear end... Earlier Corvettes were much more stable at higher speeds... so I guess stock spoilers, even the normal wraparound one, CAN affect the car at the speeds most of us drive...

 

FACT: Since installing my cowl hood, on average i run 10-30 degrees cooler depending on my speed.


Not Functional?

 

yeah its a bit functional but you dont need it to clear a stealth ram or tunnel ram intake setup. 10-30degrees cooler can be done with turning fans on early with switch or thermostat for way less than cowl hood cost.

I do like hoods tho, but 90% of them are for looks and dont serve a purpose if only a little like your setup.

 

I remember flynlow posting somethign awhile back about how the stock rs 3 piece fin actually gave like so much downforce at 70mph. He had found it in a original pamphlet or something, i figured with the hawks i doubled my surface area of the fin stickign up so maybe get more downforce. I dont know how functional it is never had it in a wind tunnel or did a comparison on stock vs/ the hawks.
I like it though it looks cool so who really cares if its functional, same with my hood, it lets some hot air out of teh back maybe i've been told sucks some air into it at speed. BU ti got it cause i wanted more clearance under there and it looked cool.

You can have the most functionalble wing in the world, putting enough downforce on the back that you could crack pavement at 100 mph but if it looks retarded...it looks retarded

Just go with the look you like and i definately encourage you to do something different

 

Maybe OutLaw305 should show a pic of the underside of his hood just so Orr89RocZ can see how functional it is compared to a normal cowl hood. Come on OutLaw305 show him!

 

man how did we get from opinions on wings on thirdgens to hoods...LMAO

anyway ...i still say that your not going to notice a difference at all with a wing like those on the back of a camaro or firebird ......

except for people staring at you and pointing ( not in a good way ) .....LMAO


if a person likes the look of a honda wing on a thirdgen then by all means go ahead its thier car anyway right??

but to say that on the street they are functional is ...


P.S.

all views and expressions above are purely ......dont take offence to it if you have one of those wings on your car or your friend does obviosly they our you like it ......

 

Yeah wings are pointless even to rwd, but its better to have wing on a rwd then a fwd, just havin it on a fwd is just pointless, even rwd on 3rd gen is pointless, but i love the 91-92 Z28 wings they look great! and they dont look ***** to me, even tho it was based on a F50 ferrari wing, still its cool.

 

oh i agree even on a rear drive car unless your running some kind of extreem speeds .....they arent going to help ...LOL

and yes they definatly look better on a rwd car than a fwd one .........by far...

 

and yes they definatly look better on a rwd car than a fwd one .........by far...


hey there honda civics with rwd posi

 

guess you missed this part of my post

dont know why honda would make one not like the hp they run deserves rwd...LMAO

 

lol i can see that, bad thing is your a CARDINALS FAN! The SOX ARE GONNA WIN!

 

LOL to each his own...LMAO


its gonna be a good series .....

 

Soon as my 91Z puts down over 500rwhp I'm gonna put an insane wing on it. I'll admit its for freeway racing (bad CH bad!). My first choice would have been the IMO smoother looking and lower key 5" spoiler but the 5" spoiler is more expensive than the carbon fiber wings from Japan (very similar to the ones in the pic Andris posted). Makes no sense to me how the fiberglass 5" is more expensive. So GT look here I come ...

 

Well I myself own the Jongbloed cowl hood made by hawks ( great quality by the way ). Here is a pic of the underside of the hood. It comes down around my aircleaner, making the airflow more concentrated. Also it will help with the new engine/CARB setup , that is being put in as soon as i pick up a little extra cash for the small stuff, with aditional air and room for a spacer/ larger filter.

IIRC when you are at high speeds, fans dont help as much correct?

 

yep, nice hood you got there. Cowl hoods with the hole under the hood is functional for carb setup cars.

mine is TPI so that hole is not going to be functional LOL, but it will help get rid of the hot engine air and therefore keep everything cool. I like it but those hoods for TPI or similar fuel injection setups are not going to be functional. Only the RAM AIR II hood with the intake is functional and that setup kicks *** but i dont have speed density and not sure if you could rig that setup for MAF.

Well, i knew this was going to stir up some controversy but its good to get opinions. After looking at my car this weekend, i am not sure that those wings would look great. I havent seen any pics of those wings on our cars, so not sure how they would look. LOL


I can care less cuz its the last thing thats gonna get moddified on my car. I got too much other stuff that is gonna need done first before a wing is any concern. LOL

 

well for a car that doesnt have a carb or even tbi w/ open element, i can see why a cowl hood wouldnt be functional for you. If i didnt want the cowl hood, my second choice was the 91-92 z28 hood w/ the blisters.... now thats sharp

 

CAI isn't its only use.. its great for making vertical space too