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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 02:23 AM
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aero spoiler

Who thought of using rubber instead of firberglass!!!

Anyway mine is pretty bad and I feel like ripping it off and dumping it in the bin. I will have the car repainted soon and was wondering if the 88 Trans am (GTA) would look cool/nice if it had no spoiler.

Pictures would be nice

Also I guess it will save a ton of weight hehe. I read the high rise spoiler is not nice on a firebird, and I cant afford 400 for an aero wing!!


Any removal tips appreciated.
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 11:30 AM
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I think it looks ok w/o the spoiler but not great.

Remove the trim from the underside of the hatch,

Remove the bolts and wiring holding it to the hatch

I think you then push it forward about 1/2 inch and it should lift off. The clips that hold it down on the sides are fasten into slotted holes... the slot opens up larger on one end to allow it to come off. If you try to pry it up but you will probably bend the frame that surrounds the glass.
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Old Feb 13, 2006 | 11:40 PM
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Thanks for the uninstall info.... anyone have pics?

I will look for some but cant find any

Thanks
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 06:24 PM
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I dont think it looks right without it, the rearend sort of droops down.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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these cars look way better with spoilers. and u can find used aero wings in good condition for a lot less than 400.

i did a thread a long time ago with pics of my formula w/o the wing.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 09:23 PM
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I think our cars look awesome without a spoiler.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 09:33 PM
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I think you should replace it with a fiberglass one from ramairhood.com. or better yet put on the 91-92 trans am spoiler. that is the best spoiler for a third gen bird imo.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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If it's in bad shape, just don't throw it off. What exactly is wrong with it? I think our cars look pretty bad without the spoiler. My spoiler looked horrible before I did a little sanding and a few coats of paint.
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Old Feb 15, 2006 | 11:53 PM
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Car looks sweet. Maybe thats only the case from a distance.

I cant afford a new one and from what I understand the camaro high rise want look good

Mine is one of the more "bad" condition spoilers. The car is gona get a paint job and it will look better if it aint there.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 01:56 AM
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here's pics of mine without a spoiler





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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 06:37 AM
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i dont think every bird can pull off the no wing look, its tough to do it . I say get the 91-92 spoiler , its the second best wing for a bird to have.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 07:55 AM
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I opted for the 4th gen spoiler when I redid mine. Major improvement over the lousy rubber stock spoiler, and as an added bonus, it saved a ton of weight.


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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 09:47 AM
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no spoiler with mine even tho i really wanna get one
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 12:41 PM
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You guys are in luck!

I have a 4th gen style hi-rise spoiler for sale that was made to fit thirdgens (just like Jim85IROC's). It's in great condition except for a crack across the seam. (It's about the width of construction paper, and 8-10 inches long) It should be easily repairable, and would need to be painted to match your car anyway.

Like you said these sell for $400 new. I estimate repairs to be $125 or less. I'm offering it for $200 plus shipping. I'd rather sell locally (Central NJ) but if you're paying, then I'm shipping.

LMK if anyone's interested.

KZad

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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 12:42 PM
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I forgot to mention that I have many pictures available upon request.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Email me some pics? First dibs have been called.
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 03:01 PM
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just took mine off of my 88 GTA thats white....... its covered in about 3 feet of snow right now sitting in a garage.... so no pics as of yet. on my car it looks weird im getting a high rise, ive seen a car like mine with them on it definatly does look good in my opinion. ask some people to show pics of the high rise and decide for your self
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Old Feb 16, 2006 | 05:54 PM
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Thanks guys,

Anyone have pics of a firebird GTA with highrise spoiler from a camaro ?
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by MoroteZ28
no spoiler with mine even tho i really wanna get one

that looks awesome
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Jim85IROC
I opted for the 4th gen spoiler when I redid mine. Major improvement over the lousy rubber stock spoiler, and as an added bonus, it saved a ton of weight.


Ive got mine sitting in a box at work waiting to be painted with the rest of the car. i bought mine from gt fiberglass, and it needs very little work

Yours looks good by the way
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 02:57 PM
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Yours looks good by the way
Agreed. Pretty car.
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 06:01 PM
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It does look good!

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Old Feb 26, 2006 | 09:43 PM
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so for my 88 GTA. If I want to go with another spoiler from an earlier year will it bolt in the same holes or new ones? Will I still have to close some holes that are used for the Aerowing?
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 12:40 PM
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what do you mean by "earlier year"? is it the flat type wing? The aftermarket spoiler like this is a bolt on, but holes have to be filled and new ones drilled.
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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 03:07 PM
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well, say i take one from an 85 and up firebird non aero.

Also, if I take the new aero wing of a 4th gen, will it bolt to the window or does that too have to be modified?

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Old Feb 27, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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if you use the flat shelf spoiler like on the base models, you would have to fill the holes of your 3rd brake light, and the bolt holes for the aero spoiler, then drill the new ones.

as for the 4th gen t/a spoiler, it is possible to make it work but you have to add material to the center legs as they are not long enough to contact, the you would still have to drill and fill your holes. Your best bet for a 4th gen one would be to buy one of these 4th gen style made for third gen out of fiberglass. they are expensive but totally worth it.
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 03:02 PM
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thanks man,

I looked at the spoiler closely and I thought maybe get it sandblasted as sanding will be a pain! but I dont know if the sand blasting will do allot of harm, do you know?


I also, though if I go with an earlier firebird spoiler with a 3rd break light. Much lighter.


So, what do you guys think. Stick with no spoiler? put the orig back with no paint/withpaint? or put a clean standard firebird spoiler?
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Old Feb 28, 2006 | 05:34 PM
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depends on what your doing with it. if drag racing i would go with the flat spoiler or aftermarket aero spoiler due to them being light. if road racing use the stock or aftermarket aero wrap around like your car came with because that style does produce a good bit of downforce which is a plus for the twisties! if your not racing and like the look of no spoiler, id so go with it, then you can have a sleeper base model look and have fun with it.

good luck
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 11:39 PM
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Thanks, I will have to see how it looks with out. I think the GTA wheels and the air passages on the hood and by the door will help reduce the impact of no spoiler.

One more quick question to you or anyone else out there

When the holes are exposed and I decide to seal them I thought about the compoud that they sell in hardware stores that is suppose to harden like metal and is drillable and sandabl... can i use that rather than weld ?
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Old Mar 1, 2006 | 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by crazyjim
I think our cars look awesome without a spoiler.

Ditto, i took my lip spoiler off my camaro and ordered a high rise, i put it on, and i desided i like it without a spoiler :P.
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 01:14 AM
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i would only use stuff made for body work that paint will stick to. i would weld them up and grind them smooth then use a fiberglass body filler and a glaze to finish it smooth. you can just fill the holes with fiberglass reinforced filler without welding them up, but there is a good chance that the filler will crack around the perimiter of the hole and cause the paint to crack.

good luck
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Old Mar 2, 2006 | 05:01 PM
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Man, I think its so sexy to see a T/A without a spoiler, if I had one, that would be the first thing to remove.
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Old Mar 3, 2006 | 12:27 AM
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thanks, very hard to decide

I guess no spiler depends on the cars condition and what is on it originally gfx or none, blackout tailight or non etc.

Here is a pic of a car like mine. I dont have access to pics of my car right now.

I also have additional inverted scoops infront of each door..... my tail lights are not blackedout or polished but they are in pretty good shape.

Is it nicer spoilerless than if it was a reg. firebird? I found a regular spoiler of an 86 firebird with brake light that I am considering if I choose to keep a spoiler on.


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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 08:46 PM
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hi,

Could someone PLEASE tell me if a reg. spoiler with brake light from a firebird will bolt in on the location of an aero wing?

How many holes do I have to seal up?

Need to know ASAP to fix it on the weekend before mondays paint job.

Please help

Thanks
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Old Mar 10, 2006 | 11:08 PM
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id take the spoiler off. to me it looks better. those pics posted b4 with no spoilers look awesome
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Old Mar 11, 2006 | 02:32 PM
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I guess i have to seal all the holes but I still think the reg. spoiler has the same bolts for the brake light
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