which do you guys perfer
performance
apperance
handeling
etc

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CHRIS
1983 firebird transam
edelbrock performer rpm intake 360*k&n intake 160 theroostat lots and lots of plans 4 the future

 

IROC. Performace.....handling.....LOOKS....yet the camaro. The firebirds are ice but i like the camaros.

 

For third gen, camaro. The pop-up headlights on the firebirds are, in my opinion, dumb-looking. For foruth gen, I prefer the firebird, but only after 1996, when they redesigned the nose.

 

You mean after 1998.

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91 z-28 305 700R4
3.73 gears out back
T-Tops and Black all over.

 

Firebirds have class and sleek styling. I like the bird because everyone and thier uncle owns a Camaro (chick car)

Headlights? At least the headlights dont look like leftover 78 Monzas How Original!


Don



[This message has been edited by 85 T/A WS6 (edited November 28, 2001).]

 

I like them both and I have both. My 89 RS is nice, but for some reason there is more leg room under the dash in the firebird. Handling stock the Formula 350 way out did my camaro ( RS ) now that I've added some stuff they are both about the same. If I had to pick between one of the cars it'd prolly be the Formula that Id take. Of course it does have the L98 instead of the 305 TBI so that helps

 

I like them both.. third-gen wise... the fourth gen's I HATE the new camaros but the new birds look pretty sweet... my neighbor has an 88 bird and it's pearl white with the big bird on the hood... it's bad. I can't wait til I get mine painted in a few months...

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'91 Camaro RS 3.1L V6
4th Gen Seats, Sony Xplod CD Player, DJ Sexay's Kicks Panels with a Polk Audio 6½" Comp Set, 2 RF Punch 12's, RF Punch Amp 100.2, Coustic 360W Amp.
Soon to come, New Rims, New Rear Tires, Paint Job, Interior Color Change.


http://www.geocities.com/adidaspredator21/index.html
**BUT FIRST... gotta fix this... stupid people..**

 

I think the thirdgen Camaros look meaner, and the Firebirds look sportier. I prefer the meaner look myself, it scares the rice away without having to bother with a fight. However there was this totally stock gold 85+ TransAm with yellow accent stripes I saw years ago that I really liked...

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IROCnRoll.com
'86 Camaro Sport Coupe and '88 IROC

 

My 85 has the factory silver screaming chicken ontop of red paint . I like the pontiacs because they always had the better options/limitied production cars (GTA,TTA,Firehawk). Then again I really like the style of the 91-92 Z28's.

 

I am unbiased in this regard as far as 3rd gens go. If I had found a Firebird that met my criteria when I bought my RS, I would have bought it if the price was right. I would love a nice GTA just to cruise in, then I could dump all my attention into making the RS fast.. *** knows it needs LOTS of attention in that regard.

Anthony

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previous ride: 87 Camaro LT
350, A4.Comp Cams 268H, Edelbrock Preformer intake, Hedman Headers and y-pipe, gutted cat, No AIR/smog pump. 14x3" Open element K&N, Q-jet w/ D hanger and DA rods, adjusted AV spring tension and quick can.

Current ride: 1992 Camaro RS, K&N, Flowmaster, 305, T5, Black, T-tops, 84k miles.

 

I agree with Blue502. The Camaros look mean. The Birds look sporty. The 4th gen Birds look REAL mean and the Camaros look ....well they don't look as fast as they are..at least the last few years. To each his own. I never critisize another's car, unless it looks really dumb.

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86 Camaro Black SS Coupe, T Tops, ASCD Daytona Twin Turbo hood, Flowmaster, Custom Black Paint, Dunlop Road Kings S/R tires, Wheel Country Directional Chrome Wheels,new charcoal & gray interior including seats and door panels, leather wrapped steering wheel, shifter and emergency brake, new carpet and headliner, complete front end suspension rebuild, new Valve seals, and more mods to come
'91 RS 5.0 TBI = Waiting to be modded, but has all of the toys inside.

http://www.angelfire.com/sports/niterider/86camaro.html
Morgan_Andre@hotmail.com


[This message has been edited by 86NiteRider (edited November 28, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by 86NiteRider (edited November 28, 2001).]

 

the bird ever sence the first one rolled out in 67' to the present allways had the edge (perposly from GM) over the camaro so hands down the bird is better.

 

I prefer the Firebird over the Camaro. I like the styling/ appearance of the 'Bird.

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1983 TransAm *Sold*
1984 TransAm
1994 TransAm GT
1994 25th TransAm GT
1999 TransAm
1990 T-Bird SC
1971 Boss 351

Four TransAm's are not enough. Firebirds for all.

[This message has been edited by TAdan (edited November 28, 2001).]

 

Camaro's,like all Chevrolets, are the generic models. Firebirds are the refined and improved upon F-body. This isn't just my opinion, it's proven fact and you all have to accept it. YOU HAVE TO!

(ahh, that little comment won't irritate anyone.)

 

I would have to say camaros I don't really like the birds shape but I do kinda like the ones with the ground effects like the trans ams and such but over all I would have to say the camaro especially the 91-92 Z28's but this is all just my opinion.

 

Well, being a die hard Pontiac guy it is still tough for me to say I like the Camaro better for looks, with the ground effects and front end just looks bad a$$. But what would be killer is a 455 3rd gen Trans Am.

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1989 Camaro RS
355 engine (in machine shop) approx. 400 HP
750 Holley D.P.
Turbo 350 w/B&M Shift kit
3.73 Richmond Gears

Daily Driver (till Camaro is done)
1972 Pontiac LeMans 2Door
red with tan top
350 V-8
Edelbrock Perf. Intake
Rochester Carb
Turbo 350 tranny
True Dual Exhaust

New Addition (Don't tell my girlfriend!!)
1968 Pontiac GTO
Rust free body
White with Black Interior
Original 4-Speed Car
Hideaway Headlights

"If Bin Laden were in town, he would drive a Civic."

 

I prefer Firebird's nose and tail lights and hoods, Camaro's Instrument Set Up, Camaro's choice of wheels.

 

It is hard for me to say.....

The Camaros are lighter, so when done identically, they handle better and are faster....
The Birds are all awesome looking. From 82-92 they were perfect.

The camaros from 82-87 needed some help. From there they all had GFX and smooth noses... 91-92 were the greatest years...

In gereral, The Birds are the sleek, sports cars.... They look like they would "fly" by anyone... kinda like a 'vette in that respect.

A camaro looks like a muscle car.... something that would eat you.

It is really hard to explain. I love them both!

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http://kiztope.50megs.com
92 Pontiac Firebird Formula WS6 5.7/A4
K&N, Blue Streak Cap and Rotor, strange unknown exhaust system (sounds good though)...
Mods are in direct proportion to income!

92 Rs 3.1/T-5
Beautiful car, many mods, but now I am turning attention to the 'bird!

AIM : Theonekiztope
ICQ: 8787542

"Maybe one day life will take a turn. When it does Lean into it!" Leon Calrinsky (98)

 

Camaro always appeared as pure american muscule, while the bird is that muscule with the accessories package

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un4givin89


Poor Mans White Face Guages
MikeKey.net - Camaro Enthusiast

 

Is it hard to choose?



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un4givin89


Poor Mans White Face Guages
MikeKey.net - Camaro Enthusiast

 

I think the Firebird looks more aerodinamic when the headlights are tucked away and theres an aerospoiler on the hatch.

However, the Camaro is more aggresive looking. If you look at the headlights, its just sending that message like, "dont mess with me!" I like both Camaros and Firebirds very much, and think both F-bodies are awesome!

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"I have the car, now I need a license!"
217 days 'till temps as of Nov. 7th! yeah, I'm only 14.
1982 Firebird S/E
sbc 307 with summit cam and lifters, Performer intake, 305 heads, quadrajet, all smog equipment removed, soon to be silver.

 

it depends on the year
i like the 67-68 with the full grill, much more than the 69, dont realy seem to find too many first gen firbirds, but dont really look. i like the camaros on and off in the second generation, but earlier is better, i love the 78 trans am, and the ones that look like that. i hate the look of the early thirdgen camaro's and most of the 3rd and forth gen firebirds. my favorite thirdgen is a 91-92 camaro, and forth gen is the new 02 SS, but first gen i like the 68's and second gen the 78 trans ams. im sure this is going to be byest to what we drive but its opioion.


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90 RS 305 tbi, 4 3/4" cowl Hood, Edelbrock TES headers, Flowmaster exhaust, Crane roller cam, comp roller rockers, vortec heads/intake, ported tbi, w/new injectors, MSD probillet Distributer/ coil, 1 inch tbi spacer, air foil, 14x4 k&n flat base air cleaner, Rebuilt 700r4 w/ B&M shift kit, B&M Megashifter, 3.23 posi, 2 12 RF's with mtx amp, top of line alpine cd player,autometer phantom gauges, soon to have 91-92 gfx, z-28 wing, new paintjob, rims, all new suspension, and new inteior

 

Kiztope- Just wondering, What is it that makes the camro lighter?? If it is in fact lighter then its not enough to make a difference. They are the same car, they just have a differnt body style.

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89 Formula 5.7L
ZZ3 with some good mods

 

Camrs89, I am so jealous of you!! I was going to get this beautiful orange 69 GTO Judge, 4 speed, Ram Air III (too bad it wasn't Ram Air IV!). It had hardly any rust (I mean very hard to find any at all), original paint looked GREAT, it had 37,500 actual miles, all documents, all original (why is it that original is revered on older cars, but we replace most of the stuff we have money to or care to replace on the what, like 1980+ cars? I'd like aftermarket on any, but I would want to be the one to put it on), the car was great. Being 30 years old, it needed new front end bushings at least and new steering parts, but other than that it was great. One tiny rip in the headliner was the only flaw in the interior.

Anyway, the guy asked $18,000 and I said $16,000. After a while, he said fine, come up (to OK from TX) and look at it. I did. I looked at it and drove it (this is why I said it needed new front end pieces). Then he says $18,500 or no deal!!! What?!?

That was too much for me, but man did I ever want that thing! I would have had to change the guages, though--it's kind of hard to see the tach when it's recessed 4"! Anyway, the 69 was lower, wider, and either longer or shorter (I forget) than the 68, but I would love to have either. Someday I'll have a 69 goat with a rat!!


Oh, the Camaro vs. Firebird thing: I'm surprised that firebirds have gotten as much support as they have, considering how many more camaros there are out there. I would have to go with the firebird, though. My 91 formula WS6 is very nice. Of course, the 92 Heritage Edition Z-28 CONVERTIBLE!!! with 1,900 (not a typo!) miles on it that I was looking at right before mine would have been very nice!! I do like the 91-92 camaros. That car and mine are both 5-speed 305 TPI's--wouldn't have it any other way. Too bad some guy offered $19,000 for the camaro. Oh well, I love my WS6 (which only has 20,000 miles).

 

Well let's see,

Front end-I prefer the birds
Hood-Can't beat the power bulge on the formulas & early T/A's
Spoilers-Gotta give this one to the 91-92 Z28s
Wheels-Tough choice here between the Iroc and GTA wheels. Tie I guess
Dash-Not a fan of the Camaro dash
Rarity-Sure there were rare camaros, but I'm still gonna say bird here

That sums up my opinion I guess. My votes in for the Bird. Hmmm, So why am I looking at two Irocs? I just love third gens.

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90 Formula 305 TPI 5 speed
K&N, Dynomax Muffler

Coming soon (Hopefully):

85 Iroc 305 TPI Auto
Flowmasters, Ignition, Chip

87 Iroc 350
Bone Stock w/41k miles

The guy wants 2 g's for both

 

I like a little of both. I like the Camaro cause it does look meaner. But I like the taillights of birds better than Camaro tails. I like the 89 IROC rims or the 91/2 Z rims, but don't like the TA rims. I like the hood blisters of the Z28 better than the power buldge hood. So, I'm not picking, I like em both

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New owner of:

1989 Camaro IROC-Z
5.7L TPI
Ravin' Exhaust
K&N's
My 1989 Camaro IROC-Z

Previous owner of:

1992 Camaro RS
5.0L TBI
K&N Airfilter
My 1992 Camaro RS

 

There are a lot of arguments in this post.
https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/000751.html

IMHO, I see too many nice Camaros around and not enough 'Birds... I vote for the bird because not that many people have one.

On a sad note, I saw a stripped Camaro today @ my high school. It was a sad sight. From the B-Pillar back and the A-Pillar forward were gone. I hope it wasn't anyone's.

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Stock 2.8 MPFI auto w/ Flowmaster 80 Series, More to come......
Pioneer DEH-11
Targa E-910 7-Band Equalizer w/ crossover
2x 10" Pioneer subs powered by 300 Watt Jensen amp
2- 6x9" Pioneer (rear)
More to come..... (hey, i dont got a job yet)

[This message has been edited by 89V6FBIRD (edited November 28, 2001).]

 

I guess that's why every Firebird/Trans Am got chevy V8's since '82, and the Camaros sell so much better!! -- I couldn't resist that---

I guess it depends on what year you are talking about. IMO, from 82-84 the Z28 had the Birds whipped. From 85-90 the T/A and GTA's were more appealing (I see the 700 million IROC owners on this board all plotting my death as I speak) and the 91-92 Z28's were the best looking 3rd Gens on all time, again, IMO. But I have to say, there isn't any T/A, GTA, FORMULA, RS(V8 cars I mean), Z28, or IROC of ANY year I wouldn't be proud to own.

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82 Z28 383, Ported 215cc Dart Iron Eagle Heads 72 cc Comb. Chambers, Comp custom grind Hyd roller cam, Speed Pro .250" domes, Wheeler Motorsports 4340 I beam rods, Eagle 5140 steel crank, Weiand Team G intake, Holley 830 DP, hedman headers
Trans: Turbo 350 w/ 4000 stall -- Rearend 7.5 w/ Richmond 4.10's, Auburn Minispool
Best ET:11.60 @ 114.56, w/ a 7.34 1/8 @ 93.50, and a 1.622 60'


89 RS, L03 305, Hypertech Chip,cat delete, Dynomax exhaust,K&N open element Filter,160 stat, MSD coil --Trans:700R4 Corvette Servo -- Rearend: 7.5 GM 3.42 w/ posi-lock

Bassett Racing




[This message has been edited by Basett_Racing (edited November 28, 2001).]

 

You mean would be?

My vote is for firebird.

But some of those black Irocs are just sexy.



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Red 89 Trans AM GTA
T- tops

Engine stroked to 383ci
World Products heads
Elgin cam
GM 5.7 rods
Keith Black pistons
2-row timing chain
Mellins Hi-Volume oil pump
9:1 compression
24# Ford Fuel Injectors
Edelbrock TES Headers
hi-flow Catalytic Conv
SLP Stainless Steel Cat-back exhaust system
Torkmaster Torque Converter (2000 stall).

 

See, I notice the opposite around here. Many more Firebirds than Camaros. When I say Firebirds and Camaros I'm talking only of third generation ones. Its good to see any nice third gen on the road, since the fourth gens are SO common now.

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New owner of:

1989 Camaro IROC-Z
5.7L TPI
Ravin' Exhaust
K&N's
My 1989 Camaro IROC-Z

Previous owner of:

1992 Camaro RS
5.0L TBI
K&N Airfilter
My 1992 Camaro RS

 

The Camaro looks better IMHO, but both cars are awesome. There is something about the TTA that is particularly appealing to me!

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'91 Camaro RS - TBI 305 - medium garnet - '91-'92 Z28 wheels - leather - all power options (except power seat) - t-tops - Clarion head unit - Pioneer 4way 200watt 6x9s - Rockford Fosgate Punch amp and 2 Fosgate 12" subs - Edelbrock open element w/ K&N filter - Random Technology highflow cat - some free mods, more coming soon...

 

I like both but I like Camaros better.

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89 RS
STILL Looking For:
An 87 IROC-Z28 350 TPI

Yeah I have an RS, but I want an IROC-Z!!

 

you know what I hate.....Firebird Owners that think they are the ****....The Camaro came out before the FireBird and the Firebird is based upon the Camaro...not the other way around. Firebird have too much **** on them....They look like the are trying too hard to be faster then they are...Especcaly the late 4th gens with the honeycomb tailight...the huge RAM Air and scoops all over the place. Camaros seem to have a more layed back mood to them....and the Mustang is a bigger chick car then the Camaro and that is one of the reasons the Mustang still lives....Ford got smart and advertised the Mustang and then threw in the twist of making it a chick car....but in the end it is still there. It is almost like the Camarm/Firebird is a failure...the mustang came out before them and lasted longer.

 

They were both introduced in September of '66, and from everything I've ever read they were jointly developed.

As a side note, the decision by GM brass for Oldsmobile not to get the f-body platform lead directly to the creation of the '68 Hurst/Olds (of which I am a proud owner of one) which was the first a-body with a displacement over 400 ci (455). The creation of the Hurst/Olds further lead to the inclusion of 427's, 454's and 455's in other intermediates, giving us the heyday of the american musclecar. You have to remember that back in the day, Oldsmobile was GM's leading edge performance division, and not getting an f-body was a huge blow, possibly leading to the current demise of Olds. Can you imagine what things might have been like if there had been 3 f-bodies?

 

Firebirds

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www.TransAmGTA.com THE 3rdgen Firebird Site!
1992 GTA (226 made), 1 of only 18 "Dark Jade Gray Metallic" 92 GTA's, My Window Sticker, Original "SLP/GM Performance Parts Kit" equipped GTA, LB9, 4L60, T-Tops, Grey Leather, and EVERY available option except U1A.
Current Mods/Upgrades: 80 Series Dual Outlet Flowmaster, TPIS Air Foil.
Future Mods/Upgrades: None but a complete restoration.
Best Track Time: 14.6sec@96.6mph

"If it ain't broke, fix it til it is!"
Webmaster www.TransAmGTA.com
My 3rdGen Firebird Message Board!

 

Speaking thirdgens only...Camaros, Firebirds are too pointy, have the damn pop-up lights and have too many other gimmicks.

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I'm going to go with the 85-90 T/A

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1989 Pontiac Trans Am
305 TPI
Auto
2.73 Rear
Stock

Planned Mods:
Cam
Ported Plenum
3.42 disc rear
Headers and Exhaust

 

I always thought the Firebird looked better than the Camaro when they were new, but my opinion is that the Camaro styling has aged better. The '90-92 Z28s look the best out of any thirdgen in my opinion, the ground effects just make the car look badass!

 

i find it funny how most people like there car the best, but not all do, im definatly a fan of the 91-92 z's like i said before

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90 RS 305 tbi, 4 3/4" cowl Hood, Edelbrock TES headers, Flowmaster exhaust, Crane roller cam, comp roller rockers, vortec heads/intake, ported tbi, w/new injectors, MSD probillet Distributer/ coil, 1 inch tbi spacer, air foil, 14x4 k&n flat base air cleaner, Rebuilt 700r4 w/ B&M shift kit, B&M Megashifter, 3.23 posi, 2 12 RF's with mtx amp, top of line alpine cd player,autometer phantom gauges, soon to have 91-92 gfx, z-28 wing, new paintjob, rims, all new suspension, and new inteior

 

C.A.M.A.R.O

91-92 Z28

Makes me drool...

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Peace, Love, and Carbon Monoxide...
Kj

 

When SLP was looking at thier 1st niche vehicle program, they chose the 1991 FIREBIRD as the basis for the Firehawk.

SLP

Maybe they just flipped a coin, but I think there was more to it, call it an educated choice.

The Camaro wasnt added to the program until 5 years later.

The Trans Am introduced the 16" wheel(1984) and the turbocharger (1989)to the 3rd gen F-body along with some pretty nice collector editions and pace cars.

Don

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59,000 miles
5.0 TPI
WS6 (.92g)
3:27 Posi
Hi Flow MAF
K&N
My Car

 

Yes, the Firebird was based on Chevrolets design of the Camaro, Pontiac didn't like it much, but thats the way it went. Pontiac Did Not want to make a car just like the Camaro, but Chevrolets design was approved over theirs and Pontiac had to make it like that.

Also, if I was the company that 1st introduced the MuscleCar, (The GTO) and saw another company come out with a musclecar that was a success, (The M*****g) I would want to go and make a car to go into direct competition with them and better them too, which is what these cars have done since 66. They might not be selling as much as them right now, but u get a better car still with the F-Body. Also the Camaro was introduced in 66, the Firebird in 67. The Camaro was finished and introduced way before since Chevrolet Camaro design was going to be used for both cars, while Pontiac was trying to make as many differences as they could to their car to set them apart some.

[This message has been edited by IROCZTWENTYGR8 (edited November 29, 2001).]

 

"Well, being a die hard Pontiac guy it is still tough for me to say I like the Camaro better for looks, with the ground effects and front end just looks bad a$$. But what would be killer is a 455 3rd gen Trans Am"

Hey mike = seen it, and it ran 9's on motor. I think i still have the magazine, I'll showya sometime. It was competitive in EZ-street w/o nitrous.

I think my ultimate 3rdGen for looks would be a 91-92 firebird, with the 95-97 style WSY hood and wing. Bright red.

VERY CLOSE 2nd place would be a black 91-92 Z28 with the ASCD SS hood and ROH Snypers.
(Ya i really like aftermarket hoods ok)

Gimme a aluminum head 327 with mini ram EFI and a 6 speed, nicely build suspension, and some wide *** tires to go along with either car! Ah if only money was no object...




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88 Camaro (The mighty LO3 SC!)
305TBI/700R4/2.73/125,XXX miles
10" Open Element and Flowmaster 80 seires
Bosch Platinum plugs
Double silicone Accel wires


Next up: headers and gears

 

What is this crap that birds have too many gimmicks?

Tell me what the are please. My car doesn't haev any "gimmicks" and I dont think any GTA's even have "gimmicks"

If you think a power seat is a gimmick or something, get a Trans Am that doesn't have the power seats. Thats the only thing I can think of with something you could call a "gimmick"

BTW I would put my car up against any 91-92 Z28 to see which one is "lighter"



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1992 Formula 350
-SLP 1 3/4 Headers
-Ported Plenum, Polished w/ polished runners
-Airfoil and other small bolt on mods

 

Ohh Ohhh, *raises hand* Ive got gimmicks! Digital Dash, and leather power seats! GO ME!

Anyways... Ive owned a 82 Z28, and now this 88 Trans Am.

I like both, but, I prefer the Trans Am, to me, its just got a nice versatile look, Mean, sporty, laid back.. all rolled into one. Its comfortable if it wants to be. Just a nice well rounded car, but then again, all F-bodies are just that.. versatile.

Looks Mean if it wants to



Comparison





Thats my 2 cents, opinion, thoughts and beliefs. If you dont like it then

-Roshambo

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Joe
1988 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 - 305 TPI, 700R4, 3.23 Posi, Digital Dash, Leather Seats, Maui Blue with Silver GFX, T-tops, Tinted Glass, Gutted MAF, TB Coolant Bypass, K&N Cone Filter, 3" Summit Exhaust Cut-Out, 3" exhaust from Y-pipe back, MSD Super Coil, Accel 8mm wires, L98 Aluminum Heads, Ported and Polished Plenum, Siamesed Intake, Aluminum Driveshaft, Edelbrock 3 point Strut Tower Brace.

 

Yes, the firebirds can nice but I like the Camaros...hence I own one....I made up my mind even before I owned the car. I was at this site for 3 months before I bought my IROC. I think this post should be banned...they split the f-body crowd and that is not what we need right now....United We Stand....If we want to still put forth an attempt to save the F-body.

 

My vote goes to the 87-90 Formulas

 

I think the trans ams styling ques are ageless. I just got one word for you guys, KNIGHT RIDER. the best show ever created, it featured a 3rd gen trans am that will never be forgotten. I've driven alot of third gens and I've always felt the interior in the firebird to fell more complete, there was something about the camaro's dash and ac vents that annoyed me. and I love the pop-up headlights even if they are a headache they kick *** . and for the guy who complained about the digital dash in trans ams, didn't the berlinetta have one too?

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neko
'87 trans am
car in the making
angelfire.com/fl2/neko

 

I think I'm a little bias on this one. But the sig points to my favorite

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91 Z28
Best Time Slip:
60' - 2.098
1/8 - 9.137 , MPH - 76.21
1/4 - 14.213, MPH - 97.55
Performace Mods: SLP Catback
Appearance Mods: SS wheels, 2.5" Cowl Hood, Clear Side Marker Lights
ICQ: 1437212
AOL: normalmatt9

More Pictures are Here

 

I love the options on the GTA, like the digital dash and steering wheel controls.
Those who haven't seen it, here is mine!

Also, this is a 3rd gen site, opinions on other gens don't count. I like the birds better, obviously.



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88 Firebird, 2.8, auto
Rebuilt engine/tranny (about 20,000 on them)
*K&N air filter
*Flowmaster complete cat-back exhaust system

88 GTA Trans AM, 5.7, auto
*K&N air filter
*New MAF
(Future Mods.)
-JET chip stage II
-180 thermo.
-Flowmaster exhaust
-SLP cold air induction
-SLP intake runners