any one know if you can put a notchback on a camaro with the 10 point cage from spohn performance?

 

did you installl the cage your self??? how hard was it??? does it come in pieces??? how do you fit that sucker through your door if it comes in one piece???

 

Good Question. Joe and i were dicussing this the other day. We reall want to make a Notchback 3rd gen, with a targa top. But we will need a roll cage. Its always something. I need to learn to set my sites lower. I get too many over the top ideas.

 

I'm sure it can be done, but the rear downbars will have to be fabbed up. They would have to come down from the main hoop at a sharp angle, straighten out over the rear hump, and angle back down to attach at the frame rails. My next project may get a notchback/targa converison, but only if I can make the cage work. Its going to need it !!!

 

i don't have the cage yet, just figuring some ideas before i drop money into something that may not work.. but to anwser your questions.... yes you can install them yourself, IF you are skilled in welding, if not don't try.. a weak weld could break in a wreck and cause more harm then good.. and yes they come in pieces

 

Quote "how do you fit that sucker through your door if it comes in one piece"
Absolutely no offence intended here,but thats the funniest thing I've heard on this board for ages!!!

 

To answer your question Gumby,

When you buy a roll cage it does come in peices and has to be welded together in the car. My cousin put one in his Chevy Luv. He has his own body shop and he had a buddy who could weld help him put the cage in the truck. He also had a customer with a 67 vette coupe that requested one and had to weld it together in the car.

Hope this helps.

 

it's definitely doable , but it will not be track legal (I don't think you two need to worry about that with that monster 2.8l under the hood ) and any sharp bends like that will be the weak points of the cage , not saying that it will fold up but in case of an accident that weak point will not be a good thing.

oh and finally , didn't that car suffered enough ? what did it do to you to deserve that , lmao , sorry, ignore that last comment

 

None of this is for my car. Its for a car Joe is going to build. And besides that my car will have a 383. We are working out the details now. We have already begun to gather parts. His 3rd gen has not been bought yet. If a bend like that in the cage makes it fail tech them it will not be a notchback.

Now don't start bashing my car! I've had too long of a weekend... I wouldn't want to have to retaliate...

 

I don't think track legality will be an issue...a car doesn't have to be a hatchback to have a cage. I'll probably have it custom bent anyway, since a buddy of mine , Phil Brewer, does that sort of thing...he and his dad built the Year One 69 Camaro convertible with the LS1.

This isn't for Redraifs car, but hers too will need a cage before too long...it'll be "suffering" to the tune of 11 second timeslips on motor, 10s on juice...more than enough to handle all the stock-loving types on this site. Call it domestic rice or whatever you want, when it hands modded 4th gens their *** we'll both be laughing

 

Is it worth all the trouble to make a targa top when you're going to have 2 giant steel bars directly above your head anyway? I think a targa top is a great idea, but if it's got 2 giant bars obscuring it, you might as well save all that time and money and just put in a sunroof.

You're talking about a car of *questionable* taste that runs 20 second 1/4s. I wouldn't be so quick to hop up and down on everybody's ***** just yet. When the car runs 10s, fine, but until then...

I don't rag on Raif's car because you and her both seem to be very good folks who do a great job putting up with the amount of flack that you get, but I'd be careful calling us all stock-loving queers. For every person that gives you an earful, I guarantee that there's 10 more that have just decided to keep their opinions to themselves and if they all get pissed off, all it's going to do is result in a whole lot of unpleasant banter for all of us to wade through.

 

Maybe that was a little harsh;I toned it down a little. I just get tired of hearing people's crap sometimes, esp when they have never done anything to their own cars. I don't attack people for doing their cars their own way; its for their enjoyment, and its not for me to say. It's not that I hate the way the cars look stock; its just that I know what stock looks like, and to me its a little bland, a little dated. IF I see a stock F-body at a show, I can appreciate it for its condition, the owner's upkeep/detailing etc, but if you've seen one, you've seen them all...there aren't going to be any surprises, any innovations, anything new...because its stock. I see very few cars at shows that don't bore me, and that includes the modded cars too. Maybe thats just a sign of doing this stuff for 18 years. If I offended anyone, I apologize...but I do get tired of defending this car to guys with 15 second cars. Jim, this wasn't directed at you or any of the other people with stock appearing cars that are nice about it...more at the ones that always scream you "can't" do that because its "rice".

BTW the quarter miles times that everyone loves to quote are on bad injectors ,with a check engine light on (for EGR), and it looks like a stretched timing chain as well. I'm fixing that in the next couple weeks. I personally wouldn't have posted the times, but at least she's honest. It had problems, and we stated that...no one else ever does. They conveniently leave that part out. As soon as the issues are ironed out, new times will be posted. They won't be spectacular...its a 2.8 for cryin out loud...but they will be greatly improved, I'm sure. We're gathering parts now for the LT1, so hopefully it won't be too long before it runs good times.

Questionable taste? I won't get into that here. The show judges like it, Shannon likes it, I like it...anyone else is just a bonus. We don't expect everybody to like it...but if you don't, please don't ruin good threads with insults that are better suited to a PM. Some undoubtedly do bite their tongue, and say nothing rather than say something negative, and that is appreciated.On the other hand, I would venture to say that for every person who does say they like it, there are another twenty who would like to, or even copy what they see (we both get plenty of emails and PMs to back this up), but are afraid to, for fear of being called "rice" by the stock police.

 

I technically used the wrong term...what I'll run is an 8 point bar, not a cage (no front halo or downbars through the dash), so no, it won't be obscured. With a little tint and a good tubing bender, it will hardly be noticeable.

 

I'm not up to snuff on NHRA rules, but I had always thought that 10 second cars needed a 10 point cage. Maybe it's 9 second cars... I don't remember. In either case, just make sure you are well aware of what safety equipment you'll need in order to actually run those times.

Neither will I. I'm not flaming you, just making a pretty valid statement. The taste is obviously questionable... people question it constantly. I'm not inferring correctness or incorrectness, only that it's a debatable issue. Maybe contrivercial would have been a better word, but I digress.

 

http://www.nhra.com/contacts/tech_faq.html

Good luck on your quest guys in getting a 10 second car

Kat

 

Thanks Kat, the firewall and floor wont be altered so I can get away with a bar...I think I could make something work with the notch. Besides, most of the running will be at a non-NHRA track where they don't tech anyway, but obviously at that speed the safety factor is the main thing, regardless of tech.

Controversial...I like that better .