Changing Formula Tail Lights to Trans Am Tail Lights
04-03-2004, 10:15 AM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: TBI 5.7L v8
Transmission: Modified T-5
Changing Formula Tail Lights to Trans Am Tail Lights
Got my Trans Am tail lights in the mail this past week!! Time to do the swap out!!
Just wondering exactly how easy it was to remove the existing tail lights? Do I have to remove the panels at all to get to them? Or just unscrew the torque bit? I have a subbox in the back... and just wondering how much of the car I have to rip apart to do the swap.
Also, I didn't get a wiring harness with the lights, I have read that it might take a little extra work, but it isn't really needed. Do I have to change any of the bulbs to a bigger size or anything?
Just so everyone knows... these are the tail lights I have now:
Just wondering exactly how easy it was to remove the existing tail lights? Do I have to remove the panels at all to get to them? Or just unscrew the torque bit? I have a subbox in the back... and just wondering how much of the car I have to rip apart to do the swap.
Also, I didn't get a wiring harness with the lights, I have read that it might take a little extra work, but it isn't really needed. Do I have to change any of the bulbs to a bigger size or anything?
Just so everyone knows... these are the tail lights I have now:
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04-03-2004, 11:51 AM
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Re: Changing Formula Tail Lights to Trans Am Tail Lights
Originally posted by *F-BodyFanatic*
Got my Trans Am tail lights in the mail this past week!! Time to do the swap out!!
Just wondering exactly how easy it was to remove the existing tail lights? Do I have to remove the panels at all to get to them? Or just unscrew the torque bit? I have a subbox in the back... and just wondering how much of the car I have to rip apart to do the swap.
Also, I didn't get a wiring harness with the lights, I have read that it might take a little extra work, but it isn't really needed. Do I have to change any of the bulbs to a bigger size or anything?
Just so everyone knows... these are the tail lights I have now:
Got my Trans Am tail lights in the mail this past week!! Time to do the swap out!!
Just wondering exactly how easy it was to remove the existing tail lights? Do I have to remove the panels at all to get to them? Or just unscrew the torque bit? I have a subbox in the back... and just wondering how much of the car I have to rip apart to do the swap.
Also, I didn't get a wiring harness with the lights, I have read that it might take a little extra work, but it isn't really needed. Do I have to change any of the bulbs to a bigger size or anything?
Just so everyone knows... these are the tail lights I have now:
Are you sure that car is a Formula? Everything on it, badges, GFX and wing are signs of a Firebird base.
Anyway: You will need to remove or at least unbolt the interior panels and definately remove the speaker box if its in the trunk area. The tail lights are held in by plastic nuts. IIRC, about 6-7 on each taillight. Once removed, bill the light assembly out and remove the bulbs. BTW: I haven't done this on a Firebird but the center panel on the Camaro where the plate is held on has to come off IIRC.
04-03-2004, 09:18 PM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: TBI 5.7L v8
Transmission: Modified T-5
Yes, it was the formula...
Keyword... was
It doesn't have stock anything (engine/transmission) so it doesn't matter anyways... hehe
All 91/92 Pontiac F-Bodies had that gfx kit on them. As for the wing, the 91/92 Firebirds/Firebird Formulas had the wing I have, and Trans Ams/GTAs had the other one.
Thanx for the info though!!
Keyword... was
It doesn't have stock anything (engine/transmission) so it doesn't matter anyways... hehe All 91/92 Pontiac F-Bodies had that gfx kit on them. As for the wing, the 91/92 Firebirds/Firebird Formulas had the wing I have, and Trans Ams/GTAs had the other one.
Thanx for the info though!!
04-03-2004, 09:44 PM
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Car: 1990 Formula
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: Auto
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi
just to clarify, not all 91-92's have gfx.
and T/A's, Formula's and GTA's all had the same spoiler only base model firebirds have the flat pedestal type like the one pictured.
i swapped T/A lights into my Formula and all i did was change the turn signal socket with one out of the same car i got the lights from and cut off and taped off the little bulbs that were back there.
and T/A's, Formula's and GTA's all had the same spoiler only base model firebirds have the flat pedestal type like the one pictured.
i swapped T/A lights into my Formula and all i did was change the turn signal socket with one out of the same car i got the lights from and cut off and taped off the little bulbs that were back there.
04-03-2004, 09:57 PM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: TBI 5.7L v8
Transmission: Modified T-5
Maybe there was different models made then... because I know 3 other people, who all have formulas, and all also have the gfx and the same wing as I do.
Which actually, I don't care for the wrap around spoiler for 3rd gens, and usually they end up cracking, so I'm glad I don't have it. When I get around to working on the exterior or my car, it's getting a 91/92 IROC high-rise spoiler anyways... much easier replacement from the spoiler I have, to that one.
Anyways... there's no doubt that I have a Formula because I pay the insurance for a Formula!! Like I said though, it's had an engine/transmission swap as well, so in the end it doesn't really matter.
Which actually, I don't care for the wrap around spoiler for 3rd gens, and usually they end up cracking, so I'm glad I don't have it. When I get around to working on the exterior or my car, it's getting a 91/92 IROC high-rise spoiler anyways... much easier replacement from the spoiler I have, to that one.
Anyways... there's no doubt that I have a Formula because I pay the insurance for a Formula!!
Like I said though, it's had an engine/transmission swap as well, so in the end it doesn't really matter.
04-03-2004, 11:38 PM
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Car: 92 firebird
Engine: 305 tbi
Transmission: t-5
my insurance card and registration card also say formula but i dont think mine is either.. i have the ground fx like you and every formula ive seen doesnt have gfx. they also have a wrap around spoiler, formula hood, bumpers are different, rims are 16 inch and the suspension is different.
04-04-2004, 01:14 AM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: TBI 5.7L v8
Transmission: Modified T-5
I still say I have a formula. I don't think GM would put the wrong VIN number in... and if they had, it would have been caught by now, and a recall issued.
But I have a 350 under the hood anyways... so like I said, I don't really care. A lot of the stuff has been upgraded - and there's only more to come, as I start my complete modification process!!
Finally have a job that pays a little bit more money, w00t!
But I have a 350 under the hood anyways... so like I said, I don't really care. A lot of the stuff has been upgraded - and there's only more to come, as I start my complete modification process!!
Finally have a job that pays a little bit more money, w00t!
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04-04-2004, 05:48 AM
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Car: 86 Trans Am, 88 Formula
Engine: 95LT4, 305TPI
Transmission: T56, T5
Just out of curiousity, what is the 8th number or letter in the Vin? It's probably an E since you have TBI listed.
And some quick facts:
No Formulas had GFX
All Formulas had 16" wheels and WS6 Suspension
All Formulas had a wraparound spoiler, 87-90 had the rubber one, 91-92 had the fiberglass one.
All Formulas were V8's.
All Formulas had this Bulge hood,
About the wiring,
It's not really that hard.
I went from the Formula Tails to the 85-90 T/A style and then to the 91-92 T/A style.
You will need to change one socket on each side for the turn signals since the socket you have is too deep and using that one won't allow the T/A tail light to mount back on the car.
The 2 small running lights on each side can have the bulbs removed and just tucked down in there since you won't need them.
When I get my replacement 91 tail light this week, I'll take some pictures to show how it needs to be wired up for the 85-90 and the 91-92 styles.
I'll also show how to get all three sections to light up as well.
And some quick facts:
No Formulas had GFX
All Formulas had 16" wheels and WS6 Suspension
All Formulas had a wraparound spoiler, 87-90 had the rubber one, 91-92 had the fiberglass one.
All Formulas were V8's.
All Formulas had this Bulge hood,
About the wiring,
It's not really that hard.
I went from the Formula Tails to the 85-90 T/A style and then to the 91-92 T/A style.
You will need to change one socket on each side for the turn signals since the socket you have is too deep and using that one won't allow the T/A tail light to mount back on the car.
The 2 small running lights on each side can have the bulbs removed and just tucked down in there since you won't need them.
When I get my replacement 91 tail light this week, I'll take some pictures to show how it needs to be wired up for the 85-90 and the 91-92 styles.
I'll also show how to get all three sections to light up as well.
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04-04-2004, 06:22 AM
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Flat out, your car is not a formula ... sorry to break this to you. Although it was possible for you to order GFX for formula's from factory, I doubt it was the case with your car.
Stop calling it a formula, please .. that would be like me calling my car a Firehawk.
Stop calling it a formula, please .. that would be like me calling my car a Firehawk.
04-04-2004, 10:30 AM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: TBI 5.7L v8
Transmission: Modified T-5
LOL, do you read? I said it has had an engine swap, and does not have the orginal engine. The previous owner had given it a color change, and didn't put the decals back on because whoever he was going to buy it from had given him a quote of $200 per decal and he said it wasn't worth it...
As for the wheels? Never saw the factory ones... The ones on there now are 16" in the front and 17" in the back.
The hood has been changed by the previous owner. Don't know why... but he's changed a lot on the car, so I can't really ask.
Spoiler? Heck, I dunno... and I don't really care.
Like I said in a previous post, I also know 3 other people who have formula's, and their cars looks just like mine. I doubt GM would wrongly label VINs on the cars - they would have had to been recalled and fixed. Its listed as a Formula on my insurance and on my title.
And since ya'll have seemed to miss this repeatidly... the car's not stock. The engine has been replaced, Transmission has been replaced, All suspension has been upgraded more, exaust isn't stock. I could go into details about everything that has been upgrade, but I'm sure you would all just miss it again.
As for the wheels? Never saw the factory ones... The ones on there now are 16" in the front and 17" in the back.
The hood has been changed by the previous owner. Don't know why... but he's changed a lot on the car, so I can't really ask.
Spoiler? Heck, I dunno... and I don't really care.
Like I said in a previous post, I also know 3 other people who have formula's, and their cars looks just like mine. I doubt GM would wrongly label VINs on the cars - they would have had to been recalled and fixed. Its listed as a Formula on my insurance and on my title.
And since ya'll have seemed to miss this repeatidly... the car's not stock. The engine has been replaced, Transmission has been replaced, All suspension has been upgraded more, exaust isn't stock. I could go into details about everything that has been upgrade, but I'm sure you would all just miss it again.
04-04-2004, 10:32 AM
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Axle/Gears: 7.5 with 3.42 gears
Originally posted by *F-BodyFanatic*
I still say I have a formula. I don't think GM would put the wrong VIN number in... and if they had, it would have been caught by now, and a recall issued.
But I have a 350 under the hood anyways... so like I said, I don't really care. A lot of the stuff has been upgraded - and there's only more to come, as I start my complete modification process!!
Finally have a job that pays a little bit more money, w00t!
I still say I have a formula. I don't think GM would put the wrong VIN number in... and if they had, it would have been caught by now, and a recall issued.
But I have a 350 under the hood anyways... so like I said, I don't really care. A lot of the stuff has been upgraded - and there's only more to come, as I start my complete modification process!!
Finally have a job that pays a little bit more money, w00t!
EDIT.... hey, on the thirdgen.org main page, there is a VIN decoder. i think firebirds are able to be identified by the vin code....... try running your VIN and posting what it says here?
sorry if i sound like an *******, but there's LOTS of mis-information about these cars out there.
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04-04-2004, 11:56 AM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: TBI 5.7L v8
Transmission: Modified T-5
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Made in: United States
Manufacturer: General Motors
Make: Pontiac
Carline Code: F-Body
Carline Series: Trans Am, Formula
Body Type: 2 door coupe (hatchback)
Restraint System: Manual belts (driver inflatable)
Engine Code: 305 ci V8 LB9 (1987-1992)
d is the CHECK DIGIT
Model Year: 1991
Assembly Plant: Van Nuys
Production Sequence: 224613
Made in: United States
Manufacturer: General Motors
Make: Pontiac
Carline Code: F-Body
Carline Series: Trans Am, Formula
Body Type: 2 door coupe (hatchback)
Restraint System: Manual belts (driver inflatable)
Engine Code: 305 ci V8 LB9 (1987-1992)
d is the CHECK DIGIT
Model Year: 1991
Assembly Plant: Van Nuys
Production Sequence: 224613
04-04-2004, 01:05 PM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: TBI 5.7L v8
Transmission: Modified T-5
Originally posted by Steves ZZ5
Ummm...You shouldn't be sitting on your firebird like that... It's bad for the suspension.
Ummm...You shouldn't be sitting on your firebird like that... It's bad for the suspension.
04-04-2004, 01:17 PM
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Just out of curiousity, what is the 8th number or letter in the Vin? It's probably an E since you have TBI listed.
And some quick facts:
No Formulas had GFX
All Formulas had 16" wheels and WS6 Suspension
All Formulas had a wraparound spoiler, 87-90 had the rubber one, 91-92 had the fiberglass one.
All Formulas were V8's.
All Formulas had this Bulge hood,
Just out of curiousity, what is the 8th number or letter in the Vin? It's probably an E since you have TBI listed.
And some quick facts:
No Formulas had GFX
All Formulas had 16" wheels and WS6 Suspension
All Formulas had a wraparound spoiler, 87-90 had the rubber one, 91-92 had the fiberglass one.
All Formulas were V8's.
All Formulas had this Bulge hood,
04-04-2004, 05:55 PM
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Engine: 350 L98
Transmission: T-56
someone could have bastardized her car,.... i mean, the possiblities of that and someone swapping the vin are about even.
lol...
oh well. back to the question at hand, i have no idea.
i have a 91 Z and i like my stock tailights.
lol...
oh well. back to the question at hand, i have no idea.
i have a 91 Z and i like my stock tailights.
04-04-2004, 06:36 PM
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This is what happened:
Sorry your car is NOT a formula.
I work for an insurance company, when you put the VIN for a Firebird or Forumla into the VIN check system it comes up as FBIRD/FORM, in many cases. In fact "Formula" is an option package, not a seperate model. Certain years it even shows as TRNSAM/FORM as Trans Am vins matched Formulas. Find your option code sticker, it should be in the locking comartment in the trunk, unless it says W66 (Formula Option code) and WS6 (for the suspension all formulas have) your car isnt a formula.
Either way the formula NEVER came with GFX, nor would it have the emblems on the side, nor would it have or be wired for foglights, or have the interior buttons for fogs, Thats a WHOLE ASSLOAD of work and attention to detail that would never ever happen. You couldnt option stuff like that on GM didnt allow it after the 80s and all the freak F and G bodys that showed up then. Hate to burst your bubble. FWIW your car looks nice and you take care of it well, I had a black V6 91 at one point and it was a great car... Appreciate it for what it is, not for what it isnt.
edit: im a junior member now??? nice one what happened to my thousands of posts... weird....
Sorry your car is NOT a formula.
I work for an insurance company, when you put the VIN for a Firebird or Forumla into the VIN check system it comes up as FBIRD/FORM, in many cases. In fact "Formula" is an option package, not a seperate model. Certain years it even shows as TRNSAM/FORM as Trans Am vins matched Formulas. Find your option code sticker, it should be in the locking comartment in the trunk, unless it says W66 (Formula Option code) and WS6 (for the suspension all formulas have) your car isnt a formula.
Either way the formula NEVER came with GFX, nor would it have the emblems on the side, nor would it have or be wired for foglights, or have the interior buttons for fogs, Thats a WHOLE ASSLOAD of work and attention to detail that would never ever happen. You couldnt option stuff like that on GM didnt allow it after the 80s and all the freak F and G bodys that showed up then. Hate to burst your bubble. FWIW your car looks nice and you take care of it well, I had a black V6 91 at one point and it was a great car... Appreciate it for what it is, not for what it isnt.
edit: im a junior member now??? nice one what happened to my thousands of posts... weird....
04-04-2004, 07:00 PM
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Made in: United States
Manufacturer: General Motors
Make: Pontiac
Carline Code: F-Body
Carline Series: Firebird
Body Type: 2 door coupe (hatchback)
Restraint System: Manual belts (driver inflatable)
Engine Code: 350 ci V8 B2L/L98 (1987-1992)
x is the CHECK DIGIT <https://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/vin/checkdigit.html>
Model Year: 1991
Assembly Plant: Van Nuys
Production Sequence: 200619
Oddly enough, mine shows up as just Firebird.
-JT
Manufacturer: General Motors
Make: Pontiac
Carline Code: F-Body
Carline Series: Firebird
Body Type: 2 door coupe (hatchback)
Restraint System: Manual belts (driver inflatable)
Engine Code: 350 ci V8 B2L/L98 (1987-1992)
x is the CHECK DIGIT <https://www.thirdgen.org/newdesign/vin/checkdigit.html>
Model Year: 1991
Assembly Plant: Van Nuys
Production Sequence: 200619
Oddly enough, mine shows up as just Firebird.
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04-04-2004, 07:34 PM
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Car: '92 droptop bird
Engine: 5.7L,mild cam etc.
Transmission: modded 700r4 w/2600
if the car was a 6 cyl. it is definately not a formula,formulas as well as firehawks never came with gfx,now the firebirds had the gfx package available to them weather it be a 5.0tbi or a 3.1,of course the t/a was the 5.0 tbi,5.0tpi and the 5.7tpi..her car looks good anyway you look at it!enjoy your ride girl....
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Car: 86 Trans Am, 88 Formula
Engine: 95LT4, 305TPI
Transmission: T56, T5
Here is what my Formula is listed as:
Made in: United States
Manufacturer: General Motors
Make: Pontiac
Carline Code: F-Body
Carline Series: Firebird
Body Type: 2 door coupe (hatchback)
Restraint System: Manual belts
Engine Code: 305 ci V8 LB9 (1987-1992)
4 is the CHECK DIGIT
Model Year: 1988
Assembly Plant: Van Nuys
Production Sequence: 233015
And My Trans Am:
Made in: United States
Manufacturer: General Motors
Make: Pontiac
Carline Code: F-Body
Carline Series: Trans Am
Body Type: 2 door coupe
Engine Code: 305 ci V8 LG4 (1985-1986)
5 is the CHECK DIGIT.
Model Year: 1986
Assembly Plant: Van Nuys
Production Sequence: 244260
Made in: United States
Manufacturer: General Motors
Make: Pontiac
Carline Code: F-Body
Carline Series: Firebird
Body Type: 2 door coupe (hatchback)
Restraint System: Manual belts
Engine Code: 305 ci V8 LB9 (1987-1992)
4 is the CHECK DIGIT
Model Year: 1988
Assembly Plant: Van Nuys
Production Sequence: 233015
And My Trans Am:
Made in: United States
Manufacturer: General Motors
Make: Pontiac
Carline Code: F-Body
Carline Series: Trans Am
Body Type: 2 door coupe
Engine Code: 305 ci V8 LG4 (1985-1986)
5 is the CHECK DIGIT.
Model Year: 1986
Assembly Plant: Van Nuys
Production Sequence: 244260
04-05-2004, 05:07 PM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: TBI 5.7L v8
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Man you people are harsh... and don't seem to read anything I write anyways...
I was going by what my VIN came up as... The previous owner said he swapped stuff/put stuff on. It's not like I owned it outta the factory.
Honestly, again, I don't care if it's not a Formula - it's not stock. I'll change my title if that makes everyone happier.
But again, everything as far as suspension/engine/transmission/exaust is no longer stock. I'm still not happy with it though - so it's getting some more work and getting an LS1/T-56.
But my interior got water damaged this winter so I'm working on replacing that - and then getting a paint job first. My engine only has about 47k on it right now. So it'll last till then. And 300hp isn't anything to complain about.
I just don't understand why people have to be ***'s though. I mean, I was going by what I was told/what my VIN comes up as. And I like the gfx on my car anyways... so I guess I should kinda be glad, eh?
I was going by what my VIN came up as... The previous owner said he swapped stuff/put stuff on. It's not like I owned it outta the factory.
Honestly, again, I don't care if it's not a Formula - it's not stock. I'll change my title if that makes everyone happier.
But again, everything as far as suspension/engine/transmission/exaust is no longer stock. I'm still not happy with it though - so it's getting some more work and getting an LS1/T-56.
But my interior got water damaged this winter so I'm working on replacing that - and then getting a paint job first. My engine only has about 47k on it right now. So it'll last till then. And 300hp isn't anything to complain about.
I just don't understand why people have to be ***'s though.
I mean, I was going by what I was told/what my VIN comes up as. And I like the gfx on my car anyways... so I guess I should kinda be glad, eh?
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Car: 86 Trans Am, 88 Formula
Engine: 95LT4, 305TPI
Transmission: T56, T5
Originally posted by 05kcilS
ummm, you think you have 300hp?
ummm, you think you have 300hp?
Heck, my 305TPI had 343hp at the crank.
04-05-2004, 07:37 PM
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Engine: TBI 5.7L v8
Transmission: Modified T-5
Originally posted by 05kcilS
ummm, you think you have 300hp?
ummm, you think you have 300hp?
And yes, again, nothing is stock. All the internals have been replaced in the engine. It was dyno'd in the past (when I bought it) at 298hp. I have done a few thing since buying it... Guy kept the timeslips though, in memory of the car. Don't blame him, he really didn't want to sell it. Needed extra cash for a water pump that went bad in the apts that he owned.
The engine itself was pulled from some model of vette that got into an accident w/ low miles. Obviously, its an older vette, seeing as how the engine is TBI. I do not know the specifics of the donor car, nor did the guy that I bought it off of. He had a friend who was a mech and basically did all the work for him. He said "I want this" and the mech did it for him. He just knew the car had some power.
But I'm kinda at a standstill as to what I can do with my engine now... I flirted with the idea of supercharging it... but decided to go with an LS1 instead.
So yeah... that's where I stand.
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Come on, cut him some slack... he might have thought it was a Formula, but he knows differently now. And he's right, its so far from stock now, that it really doesn't matter anyway untill he sells it.
04-05-2004, 08:03 PM
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Car: 1991 Pontiac Firebird
Engine: TBI 5.7L v8
Transmission: Modified T-5
Originally posted by Air_Adam
Come on, cut him some slack... he might have thought it was a Formula, but he knows differently now. And he's right, its so far from stock now, that it really doesn't matter anyway untill he sells it.
Come on, cut him some slack... he might have thought it was a Formula, but he knows differently now. And he's right, its so far from stock now, that it really doesn't matter anyway untill he sells it.
04-05-2004, 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by *F-BodyFanatic*
The engine itself was pulled from some model of vette that got into an accident w/ low miles. Obviously, its an older vette, seeing as how the engine is TBI. I do not know the specifics of the donor car, nor did the guy that I bought it off of.
The engine itself was pulled from some model of vette that got into an accident w/ low miles. Obviously, its an older vette, seeing as how the engine is TBI. I do not know the specifics of the donor car, nor did the guy that I bought it off of.
I didn't think the General would do that to their flagship.
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