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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 01:02 AM
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Is there really a camaro under this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/91-CA...QQcmdZViewItem

Check that out, you think there is a camaro under that? I can't decide if I like it or not...prolly b/c I still can't seem to figure it out
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 01:03 AM
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looks like it...
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 01:05 AM
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sorry, this thread probably belongs in the section above.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 06:13 AM
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at least that guy on ebay posted a pic at the end of the auction to show the car he destroyed....
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 06:38 AM
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looks like a Ferrari kinda
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 06:47 AM
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looks like a Ferrari kinda
i think it looks like a stretched dodge stealth with some jacked up supra tail lights........ $0.02
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 08:17 AM
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Kinda cool really, i like camaros as much as the next guy but thats nifty too.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 08:38 AM
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kinda looks nice,like a mitsubishi slash supra,i would`nt destroy my 91z for that! sad
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 09:22 AM
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I like the side and back, something about the front that throws it off.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 09:22 AM
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neither would i it dont even have and engine or trans and he wants 14g's
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 09:23 AM
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Thats one of the best Camaro body changes I've seen and I actually like. I wouldn't do it but it looks good.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 09:54 AM
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Ok..looks good. But, no engine no transmission and needs to be finished. Dont forget $14,000. I think for that you could buy a ferrari w/o a engine and trans, or how about a 69 GTO with out an engine and transmission. Two very important details. I think I saw a kit for sale that was similar. So, 6500 for a 91 camaro body. And 8500.00 for a fibergalss kit. I notice noone bid on it yet. Is it me or does it look like a mustang.

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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 11:11 AM
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Isn't that kit named the EVO kit? I think I saw it posted on here somewhere.

EDIT: Here's Evoluzione1's cardomain site, he has the same thing done to his car. More pics are on the site. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/826450

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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 01:32 PM
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really ?!?

Am I the only one that strongly dislikes the way that car looks? I guess the rear looks alright, but as soon as you figure out what it isn't, like an exotic sports car, it becomes cheezy. Even more cheezy if someone asks what it is and you say a camaro. A camaro with a body kit that cost more than the actual car! I'd imagine the import tuners would love you though. That guy on ebay is INSANE. $14,000 for a shell and a body kit? Oh yeah, I forgot the $2000 rims w/useless tires. I don't know what that guys smoking, but he should stop...or pass it to me so I can figure out what he sees! But hey, whatever turns you on. Your car, your money right.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 01:44 PM
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Yeah, I think the front looks kinda like a new mitsubishi Eclipse. I don't like it. Looks too much like an import.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 02:26 PM
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pretty sure there's more than a few real old threads on here about this Evolutionize kit. just search, think they had pictures and such too.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 04:53 PM
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i think the evo kit ran right around $10k and then he's adding $4k for the car which is going rate for a 91z but with no engine or tranny it's a loss hes trying to get what he put in to it. I like the evo kit but i wouldnt tear up a great looking car for one. maybe if i had one that isnt quite a parts car and not driveable i'd try it. they'd have to throw in the kit to cause $10k way to much for some fiberglass.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 04:59 PM
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If you ever seen one in person you would know why the price is what it is.

VERY NICE QUALITY GLASS WORK !! Its as simple as that. Ya its alot but the same goes for anything else out there. You pay for quality. Suspention parts,etc..


http://www.cecoatings.com/images/mis...mmit13/EVO.jpg
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/mis...mit13/EVO2.jpg

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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 05:22 PM
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eh its ok i guess. i wouldn't trade my vert for it
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 05:39 PM
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Wow...Mabye if it were an actual car in itself it would look ok. But why would you destroy a great car . If this guy wanted an import he should have bought one. Just my opinion.

Also, whats up with the exhaust pipes in the back and on the side??

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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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It's not horrible... but I certainly wouldnt trade the stock camaro look for that. These cars are so beautiful, I wouldnt change a thing...
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 05:54 PM
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I thought it looked pretty damn sexy in that last pic with the rims on it, even if he just left it with the rims and lambo doors I think it would have been 10000x's better than where it is now. I think that would have looked alot more custom and better than what he did with it. Plus with th emoney he would have saved on the "$8500 body kit" it would of had alot more punch to back up the new look.
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Old Jan 15, 2007 | 07:05 PM
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waste of a camaro
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 08:37 AM
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Haha, this guy is asking way too much. I just bought this kit in december for only 6,000. I got the entire kit, a working donor camaro with a 350 crate engine, and the right sized wheels (not sure how wide the rears are, but the tires are 335's and fit just right). Yes, I bought it from somebody who already started, but still, 14,000?!

I'm close to having the body completely attached, and then I just need paint and an interior and I'm set. The interior from the camaro is in there, but it doesn't really match the outside.
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 08:52 AM
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Any pics of yours?
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Riles
Haha, this guy is asking way too much. I just bought this kit in december for only 6,000. I got the entire kit, a working donor camaro with a 350 crate engine, and the right sized wheels (not sure how wide the rears are, but the tires are 335's and fit just right). Yes, I bought it from somebody who already started, but still, 14,000?!

I'm close to having the body completely attached, and then I just need paint and an interior and I'm set. The interior from the camaro is in there, but it doesn't really match the outside.
Yeah i'd liek to see the process show us some pics my friend
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 11:22 AM
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after looking at the cardomain site of http://www.cardomain.com/ride/826450, and seeing those pics of the car....I really don't understand how you can pay that money to make your car look like that. I mean is whoever doing this too there car doing it b/c they want to have the camaro underneath it all, or just b/c that is the car they have to do it on? B/c for that kind of money, as rideon1200 said, you can get alot of nicer cars for that.
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 03:25 PM
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I'm doing it because I love the way it looks, and its one of the few kit cars built on a v8 chassis. Most other kit cars are built on 4 cylinder fieros and other underpowered vehicles.

I can't wait to pull up to work/the beach/anywhere else in it- in my opinion, a much bolder statement than pulling up in a 20 year old camaro. No offense to anybody on these boards, because I do like the third gen bodies, but in my opinion, this kit car is in a different class (mostly since very few people own them).

As far as pictures- I have them on my digital camera right now, but won't be able to upload them until later on tonight. It looks similar to the one on ebay, except with the right wheels, and more of it is done. I just finished attaching the last door skin today, and now I only have to bolt on the front clip and its off to the body shop for paint! I'm getting ahead of myself, though- it'll probably be a month or two before paint.

One last point- show me where I can get a powerful, beautiful italian styled car for $15,000 of which only 50 were made, and I'll sell my kit car tomorrow. The reason people build these is that even if you put $25k into them, its still a lot more car than what you pay for it.
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Riles
I can't wait to pull up to work/the beach/anywhere else in it- in my opinion, a much bolder statement than pulling up in a 20 year old camaro.
IMHO, I would rather pull up in a 20 year old car and have people know what it is, rather than say "It used to be a Camaro until I put a new body on it, which cost me about 3 times as much as the car is worth." Just my .
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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The reason people build these is that even if you put $25k into them, its still a lot more car than what you pay for it.
Not really, you still have a $2500 car chassis underneath.
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 05:00 PM
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bold statement??? really??

you ARE pulling up in a 20 year old camaro! In my opinion, an even bolder statement would be pulling up in an ACTUAL italian sports car.
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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Lol, I probably chose the wrong board to post that comment on, I'm sure I'll get flamed plenty more times. Hehe, oh well. The important thing to note is that once the car is complete, it becomes a $25,000 car, since that is what a completed Evo sells for.

Oh well, I'm not here to argue. Each person is entitled to their own opinion. Just remember that there are plenty of people who drop over 10 grand on third gens, whether it be for car shows, drag races, or whatever.

Anyhow, here are some pics of my car in progress. The wheels are the proper size, but the chassis needs to be dropped about 4 inches until they actually look like they fit. I'll probably be using air ride gear for this. Also, the Ferrari logos on the rims are going to be gone, I just need to get new emblems made.

The first pics show the car this morning, and the last two show it tonight. The rivets hold the skins on while the body panel adhesive sets up. Then they just get fiberglassed over (they are counter-sunk). The tool boxes are also used as weight until the adhesives set, since I can't rivet through the glass.
Attached Thumbnails Is there really a camaro under this?-mssdrvdoor.jpg   Is there really a camaro under this?-drvnodr2.jpg   Is there really a camaro under this?-hatch.jpg  

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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by cavazos31
you ARE pulling up in a 20 year old camaro! In my opinion, an even bolder statement would be pulling up in an ACTUAL italian sports car.
Lol, I agree. Can I borrow a couple hundred grand? Hehe. Here are a couple more pics of my car...
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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I'll be honest and say its a guilty pleasure. I myself wouldn't mind owning a car that looked like that....but, like mostly everyone else, I wouldn't trade my Trans Am for it. I'd take that over the new GTO. Drop the LS7 and corresponding performance parts and have a unique car....
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 10:56 PM
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I think it's a waste of a perfectly good camaro. I don't like how it looks,.

There's nothing wrong with a good body kit, but to encase a nice looking american sports car like the camaro into a euro inspired fiberglass body is sad to see.
I know there are those that like it but I'm not one of them, and if he sells it for that price I'd be shocked.... kinda like this --->

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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 11:20 PM
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It's not that horrible looking, but Like everyone else I cant see ruining a camaro for that, and I would much rather drive my camaro then that I actually love how my car looks and drives, and would take it any day over even an italian sports car.....yeah I know im crazy, but I am a redneek
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Old Jan 16, 2007 | 11:48 PM
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yeah I know im crazy, but I am a redneek

hmm i red neck from indiana?????

i dont know, but a car that looks like that better have some power behind it. and i mean real power not a v6,305, or even a stock tpi. the money that ur gonna put in it for a decent small block (ive already spent close to 6 grand on my engine alone) not to mention tranny and suspension. just save ur money and get a corvette at least its american made and a GM , just my 2 cents
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 08:58 AM
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I wouldn't do it but it looks pretty slick. There is a whole market for kit cars out there and its interesting to see one made from a V8 Camaro rather than a tiny V6 Fiero.
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Riles
Lol, I agree. Can I borrow a couple hundred grand? Hehe. Here are a couple more pics of my car...
Looking good. Glad to see folks thinking outside the box. Can't wait to see it when it's done.

I wouldn't let anyones negative comments bother you. The camaro is an ugly car stock. Always has been. The 90/91-92 cars have a nicer interior, but the externals have always made me puke. Thats why I always owned firebirds. That evo kit is the first body kit i've seen that actually transforms the car into something that looks great.

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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 10:18 AM
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Love big change threads like this

As to the 14k price, thats very reasonable as far as well started complete kits go

As for the person bashing fiero kits, go look at one

Really

I have alot of respect for people who can take a $200 car, destroy it, put a few grand on a bare body kit, and have a $40-60k car when they are done and 99% of the people that look at it are none the wiser

I find that amazing and a true car enthusiest

Most of the kit guys I talk to say its more intensive than a frame off restoration
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jcisthechamp05
after looking at the cardomain site of http://www.cardomain.com/ride/826450, and seeing those pics of the car....I really don't understand how you can pay that money to make your car look like that. I mean is whoever doing this too there car doing it b/c they want to have the camaro underneath it all, or just b/c that is the car they have to do it on? B/c for that kind of money, as rideon1200 said, you can get alot of nicer cars for that.
Well since this is my car on cardomain, I can tell everyone why one would do such a thing to a third gen.
I love camaro's and worked on the camaro and restored it for several years until I was completly happy. Then I got board and had the car and realy liked the kit and one thing lead to another and cut, cut and after cut one thier is no going back. Once you see one of these cars in person you can see why one would consider building one. The are awsome looking in person.
Once you drive one around and se they get a bigger reaction then a Ferrari you would understand.
I went to Jeg for some parts one day in the car and cleared the store out except for the guard. Clearing a jegs store due to what you driving is a huge thing since they see a lot of great cars. I have been followed for 10 miles just so a guy could ask what kind of car is that and then he sat and stared at it for a while. This is the things that make this car great.
I do look back from time to time and regret what I done but I would do it again if I had the money.
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 11:20 AM
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I wonder if in Europe they have body kits that make their Ferraris and Porshe's look like Camaros and Firebirds? haha...
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 11:33 AM
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I wonder if in Europe they have body kits that make their Ferraris and Porshe's look like Camaros and Firebirds? haha...
Nah, they have their own ugly cars.

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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by anesthes
Nah, they have their own ugly cars.

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like 87 corvettes?
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by cavazos31
like 87 corvettes?
Sorta, but without the '96 body conversion

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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 02:24 PM
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I like the looks of the kit. At the eBay price it's reasonable. At the price Riles paid it's a heckuva deal.

As far as wrecking good cars lets face it 3rd gen's are a dime a dozen in reasonable shape. If you don't like people cutting them up to make a kit car then bash everyone that drives one in a northern winter as they are doing more damage than the former. I picked up a good 91 Z28 core that'll eventually get an LSx transplant and a new interior. No different that changing the exterior.

I only wonder why the red car on eBay has side exit exhaust and tail pipes.
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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Why do people always do that **** to the Z28s? That car looked like it was in good shape before he did that, and it even had the rare 4 wheel disks w/ the 145mph speedo! Poor car.
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Old Jan 17, 2007 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by evoluzione1
Well since this is my car on cardomain, I can tell everyone why one would do such a thing to a third gen.
I love camaro's and worked on the camaro and restored it for several years until I was completly happy. Then I got board and had the car and realy liked the kit and one thing lead to another and cut, cut and after cut one thier is no going back. Once you see one of these cars in person you can see why one would consider building one. The are awsome looking in person.
Once you drive one around and se they get a bigger reaction then a Ferrari you would understand.
I went to Jeg for some parts one day in the car and cleared the store out except for the guard. Clearing a jegs store due to what you driving is a huge thing since they see a lot of great cars. I have been followed for 10 miles just so a guy could ask what kind of car is that and then he sat and stared at it for a while. This is the things that make this car great.
I do look back from time to time and regret what I done but I would do it again if I had the money.
Hey man, if thats the way you feel about it, and you really love it over the stock look, and you can/want to spend the time/money, to turn it into something different, than good for you. Everyone will have their own opinions to it, and since it is your car that is all that matters. As for me though, like I said before, I'd take that kind of money and buy some old muscle (like my 69 charger), I'd feel that is more of a statement to pull up in. With slick paint, shiny rims, big cam, loud exhaust, and tons of power, i think that would be the car that gets more attention at the light.
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by evoluzione1
Once you drive one around and se they get a bigger reaction then a Ferrari you would understand.
what kind of reaction does the ferrari driving next to you get?
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 05:15 PM
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It IS a camaro. the kit cost 7000 i think. im not exactly sure on the price but it was posted on a thread a few months back as the only body kit for our cars. I thik its gross to do that to your camaro but ppl can do what ever they want to what ever they own. do a search for camaro body kit and you should find it pretty easily. sorry i dont remember what forum it was in or how posted but its a decnt size rant about the kit like four pages long so it shouldnt be hard to find.
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