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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 05:25 PM
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Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

Well guys i've got an issue. I have an 88 Firebird. It has a good running 350tpi that uses not one drop of oil. The body on it has rust. Not a lot really, I've definitely seen worse cars. The other day I was out working on putting the front passenger seat in, and I thought since I had a piece of metal on me I would go around checking the rust spots to see how solid they are. All are pretty solid, except the passenger door. I lightly tapped it, and the ratchet handle went clean through.

It also has two holes in the wheel wells in the rear. T tops leak. The roof has surface rust. Under the carpet there is little rust. Just a few spots. That and the body underneath the door on the drivers side (side skirt?) is rusted through.

Would it just be worth my while to find a Base model or a formula (I like how they look without the ground effects) and swap in my 350?
I'll have me the money in about..oh 2 or 3 months to either grab a nice Formy or to get the body redone. I really have no attachment to this car.

Any thoughts are welcome. And yes, I know. This thread is useless without pics. I'll try to get some posted soon.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 05:39 PM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

as you said very hard to say without pics, but the option of a roller to put your engine in is a good idea, but most rollers i see are pure junk, but then again you got a whole car that runs good to throw parts at a roller
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 05:43 PM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

I think you answered your own question: no attachment to the car. These cars are too common to spend a ton of time repairing rust in my opinion, unless it's a high option/low production # oddball model. Personally, I'd be on the lookout for a rust free car to swap your engine into.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 05:53 PM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

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I think you answered your own question: no attachment to the car. These cars are too common to spend a ton of time repairing rust in my opinion, unless it's a high option/low production # oddball model. Personally, I'd be on the lookout for a rust free car to swap your engine into.

where are you in charles county????
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 06:03 PM
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la plata
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 06:11 PM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

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la plata

small world i was born there, i still go up there 2-3 times a year to see family, stay at the gradparents in waldorf/white plains

is there any junk yards up that way that have any 3rds in em, im always looking for parts to mail home when im on trips
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 06:13 PM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

I am from Connecticut, I have only lived out here for 3 years so I am not super familiar with all there is out here. From what I know though, no good junkyards. Brandywine bought out all the small yards and their prices are in many cases worse than new parts, I skip them altogether. I have to get everything on Ebay and craigslist.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 07:50 PM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

Thanks for the imput guys. I'm kind of leaning towards getting a car with a good body and just working from there. Every now and again a good car with a 2.8 or 3.1 pops up on craigslist.

Here are some pictures of my rust.

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This is the hole in the door.

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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 07:55 PM
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Body Rust, Should I give up the car?-image06152011193430.jpg
Passenger Side Tire Hide Away

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Passenger Side Wheel Well Top

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Underneath Driver Side Door. Looks like it has been bondo'd or glassed.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 08:18 PM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

I am restoing my car even though I have to get new floor pans and there is some surface rust on the roof and the bottom of my rear tire well. I love my Z and I don't see many 92 Z28 around anymore. I think if my car wasn't a 92 z I woudn't put as much money into, but I am attached to my car and coudn't stand to see it crushed or parted out.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 10:38 AM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

The rust is fixable, but i think you may end up spending much more to fix the rust/body work/paint than to find a clean roller, or like you said, V6 car and swap your drivetrain into it. With no real attatchment to the car, thats what i would do.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 10:51 AM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

Does not look too bad I have repaired worse. I would say if you can do it so it your self probably not much more work than swapping into a roller.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 01:30 PM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

If it were a Formula, GTA, or T/A, I'd say consider fixing it. But as this is a base model Firebird that will never be valuable and you apparently have no attachment to the car, I'd look for another car.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 03:44 PM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

Well guys, I think I am going to go to the route of finding a different car and swap my motor in, assuming I don't find a 350 car. I found more rust today. My drivers side strut tower, has a rust hole. Maybe the size of a half dollar and its almost all the way through. I figure by the time I get everything welded and patched I could have just spent the money and got me a car that either has no rust, or a lot less rust and no holes. lets go find my third bird!
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 03:51 PM
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Re: Body Rust, Should I give up the car?

Originally Posted by BlueDevil88
Well guys, I think I am going to go to the route of finding a different car and swap my motor in, assuming I don't find a 350 car. I found more rust today. My drivers side strut tower, has a rust hole. Maybe the size of a half dollar and its almost all the way through. I figure by the time I get everything welded and patched I could have just spent the money and got me a car that either has no rust, or a lot less rust and no holes. lets go find my third bird!
yea better go get yourself another bird. im on my 4 firebird and finally have one with no rust. but yes i was in your shoes about 5 years ago. had to let my 87 formula go because of rusted holes in strut towers and holes around the car. like the guys stated above if it was not a base model it would be worth fixing. but my 87 formula i let go was alot worse then yours.
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