WickedCrazy

So after watching an episode of of Muscle Car where they painted their 'stang with Duplicolor Ive been seriously thinking about trying this stuff out. Ive read a couple people say some good things on other sites but Im curious if we have anyone here who has used it.

The nice thing that I like is how easy it is to mix and match their colors to make something different! Ive been torn between just doing a Jet black but after seeing a black camaro yesterday i realized just how little it stood out and I really want my car to be a head turner. ATM I get a lot of comments on it now because of the Chameleon paint on it and Im not going to lie I want the new paint to be just as nice and get me as many comments.

So Im deciding on trying to use their Sublime green/silver metallic and jet black to make a color like:

82tarecaro

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I thought that paint came out awful on the Stang. It had a ton of orange peel. The Duplicolor paint shop line of paints is lacquer. There are so many better products out there then lacquer, that I would stay away from it.

Brock Lee

I have used it on not so serious stuff and the paint is so loaded with solvents to increase flow out and prevent blushing that it takes years for it to cure fully.

travis401

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as stated, the duplicolor paint shop line of paints is all lacquer. its meant for cheap and quick jobs. you can make lacquer look good, but it requires a lot of skill, and patience.

gscz28

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I've sprayed the red and black..not complete cars, mainly under hood and stripes... personally I liked it...flowed nice had no issues.

go for it...the green looks great

Curtisyz54

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Its lacquer, it looks like crap. Its Junk.

haps

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Lacquer?! Your kidding me....one step forward, two steps back. I thought we were rid of lacquer in the 60's?

WickedCrazy

What would you guys recommend for a decent not overly expensive bc/cc?

TheEndofanEra

OMNI or wherever base and some Southern Polyurathane clear( it's supposed to be just like PPGs 2021, but for half price). Depending on the base you could have an amazing/20 year paint job for under 500 in materials.

Patrick Day

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sonjaab

Why mess around if you want to have a sharp daily driver with a solid inexpensive paint job instead of screwing around with that $pendy BB/CC or even using old school lacquer?

A $75 gallon of Limco Deluxe (BASF) enamel some thinner and fish eye killer will make your DD a sharp looking ride for LOW $$$.
Not to mention some careful prep and paint application
included.............

Screw the purists and spent the money you saved on a new set of tires and take the little woman/family out to dinner!

WickedCrazy

So tbh I had thought about doing a single stage enamel. Ive been looking at what summit had and there were some colors I liked. My thing with this car is that during the summer it is going to be a DD and honestly imho its not worth spending thousands just to get smacked by a door or a cart while shopping. What I want is something that looks good driving and when buffed out looks sharp sitting there. I want a nice color that stands out and really pops and shows off the car.

WickedCrazy

So these are the colors im thinking, take in mind a 91 bird with aero package, a fyrchkn hood and 4th gen wing. With the mirrors and wing possibly being black instead of matching the car (always liked that look)

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-SWBC511/?rtype=10




http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-SWBC516/?rtype=10



http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-SWBC517/?rtype=10



http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-SWBC527/?rtype=10

82tarecaro

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Lacquer paint is awful. It requires a ton of maintenance, and is not as durable as BC/CC
I just had my car stripped because of bad lacquer.

ctoledo0834

I painted my 87 camaro with the royal blue and it came out very good. I'm very happy with it

WickedCrazy

With the summit paint? Do you have a decent daylight picture? Im very curious as to how dark it is.

Curtisyz54

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Lacquer is junk. And yes you will get orange peal from any kind of paint but GOOD LUCK trying to color sand (wet sand) and buff a lacquer paint job.

What are you guys taking about? No one said to go get Chroma premier dupont, or top line PPG. Matrix (what is on my car and my dads 70 plum crazy challenger) PPG shop line, Valspar, Crest, ETC Are all not to expensive. About 30-50 for a quart of base. And you can get by with 2 quarts for your whole car. Plus a gallon of Clear Again PPG Shop line, U POL, Matix, Creast, Five star, Valspar, Summit.........

ctoledo0834

Sorry I used the dupli color royal blue. Yes I have a few pics but I'm at work now I'll try to post some later tonight

haps

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There is nothing wrong with lacquer, but why not use the technologically advance paints of today that are the same price. Lacquer is high maintenance and not worth the trouble.

Again, you fall into the trap of believing in out of reach paint costs, especially since you intend to do it yourself. I just purchased enough BC/CC HOK paint and UPOL clear and spent under $500 to paint my rig. And yes, contradictory to popular opinion, you don't need to stay with the same vendor. They want you to think that, but it just isn't true.

lmidden

the duplicolor paint turns out great if sprayed in the right conditons. i got is glass smooth on an impala with out buffing it. i was also using a harbor frieght gun. i like it. why does lacquer look crappy i think these cars look good with lacquer especially since they were originally painted with lacquer

travis401

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no third gen ever came from the factory with lacquer paint. lacquer was phased out long before the thirdgen was being molded in clay.

as stated, you can make lacquer look good, but it does require a lot more upkeep than bc/cc. i used summits line of bc/cc in hugger orange and it turned out great. the show "trucks!" painted their project super dually with summits bc/cc. they even 2 toned the truck blue and grey and it looks AMAZING. your looking at less than a grand in materials (depending on the severity of the body work needed) to fully spray a car in summits bc/cc

82tarecaro

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In the 80's shops were still using it for repairs. My car was partially repainted with lacquer. I think GM cars such as the Grand National were still getting lacquer in the 80's

deadbird

Lacquer was still used by GM on some lines to the mid 80's.

Lacquer can also be used as a base coat. PPG 2021 is nothing more the liquid acrylic.
You can put clear over a dried dog turd and it will look shine, weather it sticks or not, is dependent of prep.

With even the hundreds of millions in paint R&D by OEM, robotic application, etc, OEM paint still has a degree of orange peel.

You know you'll get it no matter how good you are at application... thats' why you add an extra coat or two to color sand off, buff and give it a piano smoothe finish.

Some of you guys make painting sound like it should only be done by a magician or wizard.

WickedCrazy

So is the general consensus that the summit line is decent stuff and would look good on the car? Its more expensive then going with duplicolor's two stage but tbh if there are issues with duplicolor then I can swing paying a little more.

sonjaab

Most paint is of good quality as there are only a few
mfrs. producing it and then selling/repackaging it for
other suppliers. It all depends on how much $$$$ you
want to spend................

I just spent $350 on all the paint supplies (primer, base, clear, fish eye killer,
and thinner) to paint the front fenders, hood and doors on my dads truck.
All from the local body shop jobber with discount.

Patrick Day

Muscle car did not use dupli-color paint on ther mustange. they use summits brand 2 stage uerathane paint. And it does look good. no its not a perfect paint job but for what they are going to use it for its real good.

82tarecaro

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They did a segment where they painted a 70's Mustang with the Duplicolor paint. It looked like crap. It was so bad that the regular host didn't even participate in the segment. He probably told them he didn't want to be associated with that garbage paint.

The Summit paint was used on their Dark Horse Mustang and came out decent. They didn't do a lot of prep work and half the car was cleared with a satin sheen. The Summit paint was also used on the Trucks dually project and it looked good.

Patrick Day

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82tarecaro

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This is the Mustang that Musclecar painted with Duplicolor paint.
http://www.spike.com/full-episodes/m...eason-4-ep-113

ctoledo0834

ok here are my two camaros that i painted with dupli color royal blue

82tarecaro

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Seriously - that looks like crap. It has no shine.

ctoledo0834

it has no shine because i never did the wet sanding or buffing to them

Facime

Having forayed into the world of painting my own cars/bikes recently I'll be happy to share my opinion on paint. I have very little experience spraying but Im a detailer by trade and paint restoration is my specialty, so Im familiar with how to get a shine out of even the worst condition paint.

I considered using the duplicolor laquer when I did my bike since it was small surfaces and I though the ease of prep and application would suilt laquer well. First realize that the dupliclor paint is premixed so what you buy is what you have to spray. When I added up the cost to have enough primer and paint vs a low cost urethane I was surprised by how close they were in totoal cost.

I read every review I could of the duplicolor collection. What I found was that newbie painters seemed relatively pleased with the results and old pros wouldnt even put the paint through their guns, their opinions seemed overly biased against the paint without ever using it. In the end I decided to go with a more durable 2K urethane as my bike does tend to get a bit more abuse (tank bags, fuel spillage issues, bungie tie downs, etc).


All total I spent just over $100 on materials to do my bike. The Duplicolor would have been close to that mainly because I had planned to clear coat over the base for added durability. The paint I chose was something from Napa, that I honestly forget the name of right now. I actually dont recommend that route now having done some additional painting using PPG Shopline, which I found to be superior.


before:



after:







The trick to any paintjob, especially coming from a newbie painters perspective is to put down enough coats to give yourself room to cut and buff out your imperfections, WITHOUT laying it on so thick it runs and sags. On that fairing there was a HUGE sag all along that top body line that was fairly easily fixed with the correct use of color sanding, buffing. And yes everyone said I was daft to try to shoot black as my first paintjob.


Its my opinion my results would NOT have been possible with the duplicolor paint AND it being a year since I painted it, it still looks factory fresh despite having put 10k hard summer miles on last year.

Facime

As a follow up let me add that I painted a bike using rattlecan laquer MANY years ago using a product that was phased out later (nearly all rattle can paint is now enamel). The stuff even offered metallics and candies and I mixed and matched for effect. Laquer is easy to spray, dries super fast (too fast imho to do large panels) and can be made to shine just like any other paint. Trust me, I know for a fact you make ANY paint shine. Ive painted small items with rattlecans from Home depot that most people couldnt tell wasnt a factory finish. Proper block wet sanding followed by compounding and polishing can make even the worst paint look good.

Also, I wouldnt DARE shoot a metallic or pearl single stage as it leaves so little room for finish work. Since the bike Ive done some panel repair paintwork on some of my restoration jobs and have improved my technique a bit so less color sanding is needed, but if you want glass like finish, you have to do the work. Here is example of what a home painter can do with, with inexpensive materials and equipment, but lots of time and patience in prep and follow up work.






Hood and Fender are the only items I painted. This is during the compounding phase as you can see a slight halo or sheen on the surface. Both pieces had been wetsanded with 2000 grit as I had little to no orange peel but quite a few dust nibs (I have a less than idea location to paint)






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