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Old Jun 24, 2013 | 04:06 AM
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T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

Hi Guys,

I am in a dilemma, I have found a perfect 83 TA that is a hard top BUT I really want T-Tops. Being in Australia, it is really hard to find a tidy TA with T-tops...
Pros and cons or should I not be so picky??

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/...D-1106941&Cr=4
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Old Jun 24, 2013 | 05:36 AM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

It depends on what you plan to do with the car. If you want to race (which would be a shame seeing the condition of this car), a Hard Top has more rigidity and is more suitable for this.
For a driver/cruiser, both are fine, but driving with a T-Tops off is a great experience. The problem is that T-Tops gasket end up leaking so be ready to change the weatherstripping, rust starts at the edges of the body as well, and the body loses some rigidity.
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Old Jun 24, 2013 | 07:22 AM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

or if u want light weight for racing with both benefits lexan tops
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Old Jun 24, 2013 | 07:41 AM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

I have three birds, all t-top models. All have leaked. I don't really like to drive the car with the t-tops off, and would be a lot happier if my cars were all hardtops.

I understand that some people enjoy the t-tops, but to me, they are more hassle than they are worth.
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Old Jun 24, 2013 | 07:50 AM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

i love the t-tops, but i dont daily drive mine and it has sat inside the garage most of its life. thats about the only way it wont be a problem
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Old Jun 24, 2013 | 10:35 AM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

Damn double post.

Last edited by Cadaver_Puncher; Jun 24, 2013 at 11:11 AM.
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Old Jun 24, 2013 | 11:10 AM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

If you don't like t-tops...I'll trade a good running 92 Camaro for any year good running t-top third gen.
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Old Jun 24, 2013 | 10:51 PM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

Personally I'll only ever buy third gens with T-tops, I enjoy them that much. On the downside they are large and take up a lot of room. They do tend to leak during heavy rain, but I don't drive it on rainy days anyways. Also if you intend on dropping in a high horsepower motor you might be better off going with a hard top for the added rigidity.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 06:04 AM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

T tops do leak a bit, and the interior will rattle more. But who cares? they don't leak or rattle at all when you have them out on a sunny day.

If this is going to be a weekend car and you park it indoors, hold out for a T top if that's what you really want. If you don't, you will be mad every time you take it out. Be pateint, the right one will come along. Either wait for it, or it will come up for sale right right you buy that hardtop.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 01:20 PM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

At this point in the game and where you live I would take any
nice rustfree stock camaro/bird even if its not the exact car you
want.

Just a word of advise on a t-top car.........(yes i have one)

Try to buy a car with the GM-Fisher tops only. They fit better,
the tops and availibility of rubbers/weatherstripping and parts
in general are easier to find than a car with the aftermarket
C&C tops.

good luck..................
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 03:24 PM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

Only has minor surface rust.
I'm in central falls , Rhode island.
Just always wanted t top.
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Old Jun 25, 2013 | 03:30 PM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

T-tops make the car. They look better with them, and they definitely make the driving experience more fun. IMHO, they're worth the hassle even with the leaks. With proper adjustment and good weatherstripping, you shouldn't get more than an occasional drip in hard rain anyways.
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Old Jul 1, 2013 | 11:39 PM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

Mine don't leak one bit. Unless you powerwash above the window at a carwash - any car will though. Of course mine stays out of hot summer temps and I keep them wiped clean of dirt and siliconed on a regular basis. If you let them dry rot and neglect it, of course you'll have trouble.

But as far as I'm concerned, all that fear hype ("don't buy it, it'll leak") is just a lot of fear hype, probably mostly from people who have never owned one.
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Old Jul 2, 2013 | 06:27 AM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

Originally Posted by MintWS6FORMULA
Mine don't leak one bit. Unless you powerwash above the window at a carwash - any car will though. Of course mine stays out of hot summer temps and I keep them wiped clean of dirt and siliconed on a regular basis. If you let them dry rot and neglect it, of course you'll have trouble.

But as far as I'm concerned, all that fear hype ("don't buy it, it'll leak") is just a lot of fear hype, probably mostly from people who have never owned one.
I beg to differ. I have three, and all have leaked. It's usually not the weatherstripping that leaks. Most leaks result from the flawed design of the body with respect to the t-tops. It provides numerous places for water to collect and sit, and seep in, eventually resulting in rust, usually on the center bar, but in other places, too. The metal decays, and now the water has the opportunity to enter the cabin.

The weatherstrip is not sealed to the sheet metal, and there are gaps in some places where water is allowed to enter. I have found that by filling these gaps with RTV and also using RTV to seal the weatherstripping to the sheet metal, the water now has no choice but to run off and down the side of the car instead of seeping in. There is a tech article that discusses this.

I have successfully applied this cure to one of my cars.

Now, is it possible to have a t-top car that doesn't leak? Of course, especially if it is garaged and not driven in foul weather. Given enough time and water, they will all leak unless steps are taken to prevent it.
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Old Jul 2, 2013 | 07:19 AM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

Originally Posted by MintWS6FORMULA
But as far as I'm concerned, all that fear hype ("don't buy it, it'll leak") is just a lot of fear hype, probably mostly from people who have never owned one.
What a bunch of HOOEY!

I had TWO BRAND NEW T/As! A 85 and 87 that I bought
BRAND NEW and they BOTH LEAKED !

BOTH spent MANY trip to the dealer having the seals replaced and the tops adjusted and they STILL leaked!
I traded the 85 for the 87 figuring the 85 had a major
issue. The 87 leaked too!
I traded the 87 in the next year for a new Cadillac Deville
to stay dry in the rain!

My 84 leaks too so when it rains it stays in the garage!
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 07:40 PM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

'M like you i had a new 83 and it leaked like it was free spent more time at the dealer than at home with me. So i got feed up with it and traded it in on a new Honda Civic and this time i got a hard top and love it.
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 07:47 PM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

idr what I commented earlier but if u wanna go thru the hassle of taking the yer deal down lol dr what it's called oh the liner there will be 3 holes just get some great stuff up in thur
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 08:35 PM
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Re: T-Tops vs Hard Top, 1983 TA

Originally Posted by rdsxfn524
idr what I commented earlier but if u wanna go thru the hassle of taking the yer deal down lol dr what it's called oh the liner there will be 3 holes just get some great stuff up in thur

HUH?
Is that post in ebonics?
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