so is it illegal to have it in your car?...i know in the states there are some different rules, so how bout in canada?

any ideas?
Gramps

 

It's legal to have installed in BC. There are probably a dozen laws that could be applied to the actual use on public roads, though.

Interestingly enough, flamethrowers are specifically forbidden for installation on motor vehicles in BC.

 

well when you mean installed does that mean fully working? can i install the setup and then have the bottle disconnected from the line? id like to be able to drive me car to the race track.

 

You could probably even have the bottle connected, although I can't think of a valid reason why anyone should ever have a bottle connected to their nitrous system on the street. Disconnecting it would be a good idea, even if it was just to avoid any potential hassle.

 

good...cuz i want a street/strip car that can do 13s and i think that if i get a stronger engine with nos i can do it and still have the TPI look and not have to buy fiberglass parts.

thanks dude.

 

In Ontario
You can have it there.
not hooked up
And if you are cought with it they send a letter to your insurance company rating on you
Then you loose your insurance or it goes up

Also a law was passed this summer if you are caught street racing and convicted they crush your car (on TV)
They showed it on the news crushing the first 2 cars with a front end loader 2 imports
This came after 2 vets were racing on the hi way and one lost control and the guy was thrown from the car no seat belt
Brian

 

thats actually nit true the cars that were crushed were impounded for over two years (thats wut cp24 didnt tell you) and the owners didnt want the cars so instead of auctioning them off they wanted to try scare off sum kids, they also stated that the cars aer worth like over 50 or 60 thousand anyone who saw these cars would know wut there really worth...........


but back to the topic nos in ontario is illegal even to have it in the car.. u can have the lines in the car but not a full bottle in the vehicle..so i have no idea how u would be able to transport it to say a track if u went racing

 

mayb i can have the bottle just resting in the backseat, not strapped in in the cargo area. ill phone them, cuz im sure BC laws are different from ONT.

 

BC Motor Vehicle Act

BC Motor Vehicle Act Regulations

 

thats very nice but i dont know where to look...perhaps you could help me?

 

i just talked to a few guys that i work with, and they say that theres no law against it (in BC) period. they know guys that have nos already and have never been stopped, they know guys with bikes that have the bottles mounted on the frame, and they dont get stopped. and i couldnt find anything in the by-law websites.

 

u cannot have NOS hooked up to your vehicle in ontario.

 

Funny, I can't think of one valid reason to have a bottle disconnected on the street.

 

God I love living in a free country, TEXAS!

 

texas isnt a country, and from what i can tell, BC (a province inside a country) has no laws against it. that doesnt mean that the rest of the country has laws against it.

BC does regulate the sale of NOS and filling bottles. there are only certian places that are certified to do it.

 

Better not tell a Texan that, in Texas; he would correct you.

:-)

 

reasons why i never want to go to america

PS: any canadians ever seen "rick mercers talking to americans"? lol that stuff it too funny.

 

hahah rick mercer is the greatest lol i try not to watch cnn to often lol

 

rick mercer is a comical news reporter for CBC, he does certian shows like "talking to americans" where he goes to america and convinces them that we are currently on the 23 hour clock and are planning on switching to the 24 hour clock. he asks americans if they will support our plan. he has also told them that we are currently looking to legalize the VCR. its old but funny.

 

NOS is in fact illegal to have hooked up in Ontario. You may have the actual system in the car, but not a connected bottle. The only time it's legal to transport a bottle is if you are on your way to, or from a race track. And even then it can't be connected to the system. It must also be stored in the trunk away from the passenger compartment in case of a leak. Not sure how this applies to our 3rd gens as they are all hatchbacks

 

Mine has a trunk. You can see it because the wind was blowing the smoke forward.

 

It's really defined as a hatchback. A trunk is considered a part of the car that's seperate from the passenger compartment. Even if you have a cargo cover in the back, that's not enough to define it as a trunk. I don't write the laws bud, but that's the way it is.

 

Sorry but in Alberta we call this a trunk.
Just bustin your *****, I know what you mean though.

 

haha you got yourself the exception to the trunk rule there

 

Doesn't even look like the same car without all that smoke LOL!! I agree with Gramps, you are the exception

 

Each province is different when it comes to NOx and modifications in general. If the police had their way, ALL modifications would be illegal. But as the law stands now, in BC having NOx (or any other power-adder) is not illegal to have installed on a street car. In the Lower Mainland, there is emission testing and that is why NOx is quite popular down there.

However USING NOx on the street will be considered "street racing" and is now (or about to become) a Criminal Code offense thanks to Mr. Harper's latest attempt to "get votes" for the next Federal Election.

The problem us F-body owners now have; if some punk challenges you to a race at a stop light and then he kills someone, you are going to have to prove you were NOT racing the other guy at all. The police consider you just as guilty as the guy who killed the other person if you were involved in anyway.

 

well thats a given when it comes to street racing, personally thats a very stupid thing to do. i would never use it for racing on the streets, but i would use it on a track and i would need to be able to drive to the track, which is why im inquiring. only time i would think of using nos on the street is if i was alone for miles and i wanted to see what i could do. but because ive lost my license on 2 mutually exclusive events, i usually get chills when i go above 80 on the highway

 

Where is there a drag strip on Vancouver Island? I know of Mission and Ashcroft, but I didn't think there were any drag strips on Vancouver Island.

 

i think thers one in saratoga, in campbell river...but id still like to get my hands dirty, ill drive far if i have to.

EDIT: wher u from Grim?

 

NOS is a power adder. Is having a turbo or supercharger illegal? They all do the same thing.

About the only thing they could charge you for is having a pressurized bottle in the vehicle without proper warning decals. You know, that green warning decal with a picture of a bottle that comes with the kits. Put the decal on the window and you're legal to have the bottle in the car. The decal doesn't say what kind of pressurized bottle you have, just that you have one.

As for having it in a hatch back car, just like track rules, have a pressure relief tube going to the outside of the vehicle and it becomes safe to have in the car.

 

While your statement makes logical sense to us car enthusiasts, unfortunately, the lawmakers (with pressure from the OPD) decided to make NOx illegal in Ontario. So, if you have an NOx system, make sure the bottle is not connected if you ever drive through Ontario. And, as we speak, many provinces are reviewing Ontario's law and considering imposing a similar law. The politicians' attitude is, "NOx serves no useful purpose on a street vehicle except to speed".

It's like virtually every provinces make radar detectors illegal (except BC). Unless the law has changed, if someone from BC crosses into Alberta, they must disconnect and remove their radar detector or risk a ticket if they get caught. Alberta doesn't care that I'm from BC and my radar detector is legal in BC. Once I drive across that border, I must obey the laws of Alberta (guess how I know this). Every province makes their own rules when it comes to the rules of the highway.

Lastly, while many manufacturers have OEM turbochargers and superchargers, none have OEM NOx systems. When it comes to aftermarket parts, the politicians will do whatever the public wants (to get themselves elected). If banning aftermarket modifications on street-driven cars will get them elected, they'll do it.

Basically, we can thank the media for all this. The media just love to publicize and sensationalize any accident where a high performance car is involved - even if the driver of the high performance car didn't cause of the accident. They just love to say "and speed was a factor..." even when there is no proof or evidence.

 

There also illegal in Ontario to (guess how I know this)

 

I'm surprised you made it that far before they finally got you. F-bodies painted in Arrest-me Red have a way of catching the Gendarme's attention.

 

NOS has been popular in older motorhomes as a way of getting that little extra boost when climbing a long hill. I guess that old Winnebago is classified as a street racer.

I've lived in Alberta since 1980 and have never owned or needed a radar detector and I've never had a speeding ticket. Lots of other moving and equipment violations but never for speeding.

 

Technically, in Ontario, it would be a violation. It also brings to question whether propane injection for Diesels would also be a violation. And, some even use NOx in combination with the propane.


Frankly, I stopped using mine because I got far more false alarms than actual warnings. And yes, it was a good one. Too many buildings use motion detectors that transmit at the same frequency as commonly used by radar detectors. And, many other radar detectors are "polluters" where they transmit at a weak signal. Basically, these issues make all radar detectors sort of useless.

Lastly, the police now use "instant on" and don't pull the 'triger' until they know they have you in a situation where the only good a radar detector is, is to let you know that you are about to get a speeding ticket.

I also think BC is more **** about speeding as well. And now that the Government has given ICBC a new mandate to greatly increase rates for "bad drivers", there is going to be a new push for the police to start issuing more tickets.

 

just wondering how u can compare nos to a super charger, nos is explosive and just because u slap a sticker on ur car that says u have a pressureized bottle in the car sounds like a gimmic a retailer would tell u.......also in ontario having nos in a class G vehicle is illegal wether its installed or not at least thats wut my traffice management teacher told us...

 

WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! Nitrous Oxide is NOT EXPLOSIVE! It is an oxidizer and by its self is not even flammable. It works just like a supercharger in that it adds more oxygen to which you add more fuel to produce more power.

NOS, By the way is a company that sells Nitrous Oxide kits and parts. NOS was used as a word in a pathetic excuse of a movie to inaccurately refer to the chemical Nitrous Oxide.

 

ur are correct that it is not flameable however, the oxygen present in nitrous oxide causes combustion of fuel to take place more rapidly is that not dangerous? and really has no purpose being kept in a car that is going to be on the road with regular cars ? a supercharger or turbo does not pose as nearly a great a risk as nitrious and i dont really think can be compared to another due to safety factors

 

The gasoline in your tank is thousands of times more dangerous than N2O could ever be. A breeze makes fuel burn more rapidly, is your pictured scenario one where there is an accident and gas is leaking, ignited and N2O leaking so that it blows directly on the fuel? If there were a fire in your car, and your N2O was leaking, and you did not open the door; then MAYBE it would play a factor. Who is going to drive around with a leaky bottle? The stuff is expensive and it stinks of sulfur, I’m sure as hell not going to waste it. I think you have a better chance of getting frostbite from it than having play a factor in a car fire.

Professional welders carry around oxygen cylinders, outpatients carry oxygen, farmers carry oxygen as do may other professions. The big difference is N2O will not spontaneously ignite petroleum products (among other things) as free oxygen will. So all those other applications that are by far more dangerous are still allowed, N2O that poses almost no risk at all is being legislated. These laws are being passed by pin heads that can’t understand or don’t want to. They hear idiots refer to N2O as “explosive” or as “Rocket Fuel” on TV and in other places and pass meaningless laws to get votes that do nothing more than restrict the freedom of average citizens. Then uninformed citizens remark on what a good idea these meaningless laws are. Does anybody think criminals give a rats *** about these laws? The hotrodder on his way to the track gets pulled over, harassed and arrested or fined when he had no intention of breaking any law at all.

Take a car that produces 100 HP and add an additional 50 HP with N2O, that car is no more dangerous than a car with a 150 HP except that the driver is going to be more selective of when and where they use the power.

 

No, because nitrous oxide only decomposes to release its oxygen under certain circumstances.

 

 

Yep, stupid, meaningless, unenforceable laws strip your freedom.
You can accelerate fast without breaking the speed limit.
Take for instance this very real, real-world scenario.
Your car cannot accelerate as fast as another with a bigger motor (say your stock L98 compared to an LT5 Corvette).
You add N2O so now you can both accelerate at the same rate. Neither of you are racing, neither exceed the speed limit but your legislators have decided that you are now a criminal and the guy that could afford the Vette is not.

 

Actually you get power from NOx two ways: 1) the release of the oxygen atom as Chris states and 2) the rapid cooling from the NOx causes a denser mixture in the cylinder.

 

I wonder what effect the density change actually has though. Normally a denser intake charge in a naturally aspirated engine allows more air as the oxidizer to be drawn in, but we can provide any amount of nitrous oxide in excess as an additional oxidizer.

A cooler charge might also have some effect with inhibiting the vaporization of suspended fuel droplets for a more controlled burn. There's also the released nitrous to temper combustion and as an exhaust gas itself.

 

I read close to 50% in some magazine article a few years back. But they never mentioned the size if the kit, which I think would have an affect on the ratio. EG: It may be 50% on a 50HP NOx kit but only 25% on a 100HP as the bigger the NOx kit, the more it will fill the cylinder more.