K I slap two gallons of resin on here all together and it seems rock solid.

>check it out

 

Yes it fits

 

hey that looks awsome! are you going to bondo it and then paint it? I cant wait to see your progress, on your hot plexi strecthing theme (I know that you said plexi for demonstrative perposes only, and no plexi will be involved) but i have been thinking of making a fiberglass box for a triple 12 enclosure, with the outside two angled forward and in a little, and the middle one just angled straight forward

 

Man it would so easy to fit those sort of dowel pieces. Seriously, no offence, but if you cant make those fit perfect you cant go through the fibreglass process
greg

 

hey redbird, not to sound like a jerk but............... you only have 2 layers of chop mat on that? can you stand on your box? because if it doesn't support you it won't support 2 subs. just wondering, like I said please don't take that the wrong way, just trying to help.

Josh

 

Yup. I think 5-7 layers usually gets the job done nicely. My box is going to need a crapload...
greg

 

why not just use the heavier stuff? DJSexay said he only had to use 4 layers to hold his W7

 

FUKING JERK!!!!! LOL!:sillylol: Haha.. just kidding, just thought I would jumpstart your nerves before you got to the part that I said I was J\k. Any I dont know about standing on it but it seems pretty solid to me. If I need more layers I can just blob some more on the inside real easy. There is about 2 galllons of resin soaking the 2 matts and fleece. Also I used the thiner mat to put over the beams inside. But do you really think it would need more man? I have no clue I'm just pasting things together. If it needs more mat I have some left over. I just need another gallon of resin to stick it on. Well in the mean while I'll just bondo the outside today when I get off work. Work speaking of, there is somewhere that I have to be in 6 hours. This box is killing my sleep and these fumes on my pants are killing my brain cells. Time to azz out.

>BTW I'm asking cause I dont know but why does it need more layers? Does the bass need to bounce of a stronger surface that will not flex to echo better?

 

I had to do it. Yeah you can stand on it. Seems stong to me. Dont know about jumping up and down on it but you can stand on it.

>with the second gallon the scale now reads 19lbs

 

looks good man, I just know from experience that it is easy to overdo it and make it stronger than not.

 

hey man,
looking good. Although I too was the one who started the thread about 2 weeks ago about building fiberglass boxes, I just realized that if the outside temp is 45 degrees near chicago right now that doing it outside would take FOREVER to dry. The stuff I was looking at today said to be used at 70 degrees(room temp)

ANYONE KNOW IF I CAN STILL DO IT OUTSIDE IN THE COLD?????

 

I would say that you can. The only thing is it would probably take longer to try. Which is a good thing. I would only mix about a cup or two at a time cause it tends to freezz up in about 15 minutes. SO you have to be quick. If it would take about 20 minutes I would be able cover more area at one time. I learned this the first time I used a batch of glass. I cut a jug open and filled it with about 6 cups of resin. Man that stuff started turning to jelly before I was half way through. I was like WTF So I tried to paint it on there but the gel like shat in a jug was just to solid to be obsorbed by the matts. You should try it anyway. I mean its not like its not going to work cause its cold out. Correct me if I'm wrong but I wouldnt think it would be a problem. Of course there is a possibility that it will be more brittle but I tell you what. Ill put some on a foil sheet and let it sit in my freezer and see how hard it is to crack when its done.

 

I dont know why I batch about my job so much. It has a real good side to it. See like today its about 8am I have only been working for about 1 hour till I took this stuff called VTO(volunteer time off) If its slow here @ tech support I can just use my VTO hours and go home with pay. I get about 8 hours of vto a month. Damn how many times did I type VTO...SHAT!!...

Anywayz its time to get some real work done and smear some bondo on that box. I still dont have Ideas on the paint or carpet Some says its just a waste to put up carpet and some say paint would look nice. I dont know you guys have to help me out with this one. All that Resin killed the brain cells that helps me decide this by myself.

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>la..lala...la....So high on resin from working on this box:lala: :lala: la... lala seeing double. OMG! look @ all these little purple people in this box bowing down.:hail: :hail: WTF Heh... they must like my work blah lala la......:hail: :lala:

 

i will get pictures of my box soon

-fly

 

3 layers of kyntex, 1 layer of chop mat (which was just uesed to make initial shape.

Box is less then 1/4" thick all around.

 

Looks like you got a box that can support the weight of the car! Guess that means that it qualifies as strong enough!

And red, you have GOT to paint it! high gloss to show it off! I would paint the inside a flat black. Then put in plexi-glass (or glass or something clear and strong) panels next to the subs so you can see their backsides...that is, if their backsides are flashy and all that. If you dont think its cool to view the full sub, then skip that. The whole black paint thing was so that you dont see the inside of the box so much as the sub bottoms and the amp inside.

Anyway, for the outside, paint would show off your work a lot more than some carpet. Unless you want to hide it, but I would show that biatch off!

 

I know right. With all the work that I'm putting in it I should paint it. I would be so phat to paint flames on the inside and out. From bottom to top. That.....is.....a......BAD.....AZZ......IDEA!!!!!!! Oh wait cant forget the red neon lights lining the botton of the box. I yes I like the clear top idea so that you can see the whole speaker floating there. Oh man this thing is phat azz he!l. Its taken away from my post whoring though. Well thats what I'll do at work instead of working. Right now I'm spreading bondo all over it and sanding it out with rough then fine sand paper. There is so much dust on my padio. Its crazy, kinda like the good old dayz at the body shop. Even smells like a body shop around here but I like it! Here is a pic of the bondo on the front. Other sides I'll save for Friday morn when I get to wake up the neighbors.

 

Kinda hot out here in Texas, think I'll have a drink of my tea..... WTF!!!!


must of got a little dust in it, oh well its still good

 

THATS CRAZY!!! You didnt photochop that in there did you cause that is just UNREAL. Good work

 

Not chopped, just look at the way the light reflects of the box then the ground.
Purdy good stuff though. Is the kyntex stuff available at marinas and body shops or am I going to have to get it shipped? What should I be looking/asking for? Is it just fibreglass strips made by kyntex or are they made by different brands using kyntex (like duponts teflon etc.) material? Thanks
greg

 

ooo shinny!!! i like it very much ok its question time,

1 - can i copy it? - a joke question :P
2 - how u gonna secure the top onto the frame?
3 - does it just sit in the car or are you going to secure it down?
4 - have u got any idea of the dimentions that you used for the frame? and have you got any idea what the volume of the box is?

very very nice, considering doing something like it very soon.

 

You guys should see my box. It's got 8 layers on the flat back side and 3 layers at least on every bend. The box was so strong that I dropped it on concrete from about 7' up and nothing. I could have easily held my car up with it and when (if) it comes out I'll take a snap shot of the whole car balancing on it. Of course my box is only 1.2 cubes and the shape of our spare tire well .
Anything that is flat needs to have at least 1/4" of FG, if you're using that crappy mat stuff then use at least 5 layers on the large flat areas else it'll sound sloppy compared to a similar MDF box.

 

I was thinking about a detachable top. 1st surrond the edges with thick weather stripping to prevent air from getting out. Then use some kinda latchs that would pull it down real tight. Finally about two cylinder locks on boths sides to prefent anyone from pulling off the top. This Way I can continue making Different kinda tops and the project would never end. I hate it when I finish something. Then I leaves me with this "I have nothing to do now" feeling.

 

yeah when i can see the end of a project is in sight i say 2 me brother, "u know what euan? we've gotta start thinking about the next project" this is how we finished our parcel shelf and went on to doorpods within a few days. twas grand

good idea about the detacable top. what kinda subs r going in it?

 

Hey redbird,
Just a thought. Until you get subs for that nice box of yours you should use it as a stand for your TV

Brian

 

>89blackGTA LOL your right man. that TV has been sitting there for a while. Thing is I have another shelf out side that it will fit in. I took it apart cause it takes up to much room out there. It also needs to be sanded down and painted but the box comes first. Nice TV though about a 36 incher. I'm sure when the box is done I just might just pop it under the TV and take a pic. SuRe WhY nOt¿


Jamfitz> There is something I havent given much though to. Kinda strange I'm building a box and am not sure about what subs to put in there. K I have to think about this. Maybe some infinities? Hmm.... Pricey... What else has that kinda sound with a lower price. I mean 2-300 hundred for one sub? Damn this box is going to be worth a **** load when I'm done. Think I'll bold it down to the car when I put it in. If they want the box they will have to take the whole car.

Damn!!! BONDO SUX!!! I HATE THE ****!!! I started with a 5lb can of it and am runing out. I need more but all of this is getting quite expencive. Just bough a 24 bit extigy sound card also. That ran me about 200 bucks so the $ of this month is getting low. Well I'm going to go get some Bondo even though I think that I'm really overspending. I hate that but I'v come to far now just to stop!

>What kinda subs do ya'll think I should get?

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my vote is for the type r's. You can get two for $210 and they are clean and loud. Doesnt get too much better than that unless you double your $$

Brian

 

They dont have a big red R on them do they? Good price but for that reason I wouldnt buy then. Its a rice hater thing I cant get over. Its just to weird for me to get use to.

Hey I have a good Idea. If you wants something at the store Beat the krap out of it and get a 10% discount! LOL just kidding it was like that and I wouldnt do such a thing.

>That background is my old sub. One was fried by a boss amp. The two wires on the back of the other speaker touched together and I belive this was the reason that it took down my whole system That one sepaker is all I have left. I tried to get a replacement by giving the broken stuff to the person who hooked me up with them.(he has some whole sale deal) Well I keep calling him and he never answers but when he does he says OH! I forgot all about that. I'll get them by monday. Heh.. its been a couple months and I just gave up on him. Cant stand to think about the dude. Damn rip off....THAT DUDE PISSES ME OFF!. ***!!!! Wouldnt you agree?

K I'm done venting.

 

here it is, i guess your SOL

 

Hmm... They dont look at that bad. Maybe I can put something over the R. How many watts? RMS?

 

What about these?
<img src=http://pix.crutchfield.com/graphics/prodgroup/500.jpg>

 

Audiobahn any good?
<img src=http://pix.crutchfield.com/products/2002/037/l037AW1200Q-f.jpeg>
http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S...W1200Q&o=m&a=0

 

K thats enough before I go crazy and blow off the rent.
<img src=http://pix.crutchfield.com/products/2002/037/h037AW1206Q-b.jpeg>
<img src=http://pix.crutchfield.com/products/2002/037/h037AW1206Q-f.jpeg>

 

audiobahns are cool but expensive. The type r's take 300rms each.
JL's are very clean and loud and are decently priced.

Brian

 

These get my vote...

 

Due to the nature of sound waves, I think that a round speaker would be preferable. Oh, and just how much is that Audiobahn speaker? You're probably paying for the name, just like Sparco seats are overpriced because of Fast and the Furious.

You should look into Mobile Audio SYNERGY subs. for about 200$ each, their 10s 1000 rms and 12's are 1500rms. I have a single 10 with a 800 rms american legacy amp (which everyone tells me sucks and that I should get a crossfire) and It hits like my friends dual 12s. It's HUGE. I'm not sure about the prices of other subs, but I think that MA Synergy subs are VERY good "Bang for the Buck" Check em out at www.maaudio.com.

These are the stats for the 10:

1000W Rms
2000W Max
3” Dual 2-Ohm Voice Coils
280 oz. Double Stacked Magnet
2” Treated Foam Surround
Sensitivity: 83.7 dB @ 1w/1m
Mounting Depth: 6”
Optimum Vented Box: 3.0 Cu. Ft.
Port Size: 2 - 4” (d) x 11” (l)
Optimum Sealed Box: 0.75 – 1.0 Cu. Ft.




I dont know if youwere serious about that Adiobahn, but if you were, I had to put my 2 cents in about my favorite sub brand!

This place seems to have "decent" prices.

I actually got mine from a guy who sells them at wholesale prices, but its still pretty close to 200. How does that compare to other subs? (I really dont have much of an idea)

 

JL 12 and 10w6v2 are said to be awsome with 400RMS so u can still get an amp to power them without too much hassle and are said to be excellent for SQ and SPL as they are a good combination. we ar thinking about one and have seen prices (UK) of £380 (~$545 USA) which is alot, but the review says its justifiable.

 

Man those maaudio speakers are bad azz. I have a feeling the price is real high. I mean 1500 watts and the mag is about as big as the speaker? DAMN those are nice!

>hold on I'll pull some prices

 

It would take me a while but here they are.

http://www.ultimate-sounds.com/maaudio/subs.htm

 

Oh yeah, and apperance of the whole sub front and back is going to be a big issue seeing that you will be able to view the front and back.

>new idea, I mirror on the botton of the box.

 

ooo nice idea, dont judge a sub by its size of mag and wattage, its how it coverts the watts into movement that counts ives seen 125rms JL subs doing better than a 500rms SPLx Sub.

heres a pic of our freshly washed TA (pic is crappy cause of light but u gt the idea)

 

like the graphics?

 

Yeah I just think the bigger mag would be cool. But then you have that weight factor. Hmm....hard decision.

 

yeah, how think is ur perspex that they are getting mounted onto?

 

huh.....How thin? Thick? is the plexi top going to be? half inch 3/4ths I dont know how thick does it need to be?

 

A mirror!!! Tight idea!! I didn't think of that! I'm going to HAVE to use that idea. OH, and I did include a link to a place that has the 10s for 239.99....just click on the words "This place" in my post.

Oh, and about the "Efficiency" of the Synergys... Yes, a large magnet alone DOES NOT mean that it is powerful. What makes it powerful is the amount of lift a speaker can get with ease. If you look closer at the pictures, or get bigger ones, these Synergys have a he!la amount of rubber on them. That is because even the 10 has a lift of an inch or two. Thats why I couldn't put a screen over it. It also makes it cool as heck to turn around and watch it while its hitting. That's why it can outdo a 12 of normal porportions.

 

have you got a web page to those subs?

 

Oh never mind, cant beleive I didnt see that.

 

Well first of all, if you have ever heard kicker L7s or SoloBarics, you wouldnt be saying that you need a circular sub to take advantage of a sound wave... Sorry but these subs shattered a sliding glass patio window in the test room of my local shop. And it wasnt dinky glass size either! These subs pound harder than pretty much any other subs I have personally heard (except for pure SPL comp subs). And the sound wave does not come into play as much with larger high excursion subs as well.
Sparco seats have always been pricy, even before fast and the furious, but thats because of their quality and manufacturing process not a ***** movie.
Like someone else said, watts and magnets dont mean crap, its how they use the watts. And the magnet just needs to be a certain size, anything much bigger than that is just more weight. And if your going for a plexi top, you want as small of a magnet as possible so it doesnt crack so easy.
Im not saying MA subs are crap, but I would be very skeptical of a sub that looks that good for that price. It makes me think they put their money into looks not function.
greg

Edit: Forgot to mention, JL subs are good and wont disapoint as well. And also, the MA subs may be cheap, but with that kind of wattage you will be sinking more money than you want to for an amp to power those subs.

 

Broke a glass door huh? That would be cool to see! BOOM! CRACK! OH ****!!!! Bet the price tag is heavier than the speaker.