well i was just interested in what some of ur oppinions on the Volfenhag 15 inch dual voice coil subs (ZX4715DVX) i was thinking about picking up a set cuase there fairly cheep and they put out 600 watt rms witch isnt too bad but i kinda want to keep it clean sounding and i know cheep and good cant really be used togeather but for the price vs quality of sound/quality of construction what would u guys say

 

get rockford HE2s, they rock, especially for the money.


adam

 

type-r's. i'll stay away from volf, but thats my opinion.

 

but why? do they not sound good have a tendancy to go out have bad construction or something just wondering thou cuase i would like to know more about them cuase i havent heard them before

 

from what i've gathered from different threads here and elsewhere, they are low end stuff. almost identical to subs put out by pyramid and other crap brands. if its cheap, usually there's a good reason for it. if the sub's under $100, i tend to have quite a few doubts.

 

oh i c well what would u guys recomend? i want it to hit and sound good but i need to be able to pick a set up for like 100-150 each and im not sure if that will happen but i would like to come to a compramize

(i just want to get some ideas of good subs over the crappyer kind and not just brand wize ) thanx for all the help getting my stereo togeather slowly but finally

 

im telling you dude, ive got a rockford he2 12 running at 8 ohms on a 900watt pheonix gold, and it SLAMS,

im getting another one tomorrow, should get a bit louder...


adam

 

I've got a pair of HE2s. There are better subs out there. The HE2s are decent, and they can definately hammer, but they sound terrible. In a huge ported box they can sound decent, but that's about it. I'm pitching mine in favor of something better sounding.

As for the Volfenhags, those are sh*t subs. In your price range I would look at Adire Shivas, Elemental Designs K series, or JL 12W0s.

 

i recommed saving a little and get a JL W3 or W3v2.

- Andy

 

my friend has 3 volfahag 12s in an s10 and it ****ing slams hard...he has had them for a good while and they still hit hard. He is running about 2000 watts rms to them

 

2000 rms hey? What brand amp?

 

also remember, he's in an s10. smaller cabin = higher spl

 

I too would have to agree to stay away from them..I have some Phoenix gold and MB quart 12's I will give you a great deal on if you want..shoot me a e-mail if you are interested

 

I'd have to second the ED and Adire

 

got any links for the shivas? im interested in seeing some of the subs, like the brahma, all you guys are talking about.

my 2 he2s will outhit any two w0s ive ever heard, and ive heard a few, but they could be a little cleaner. 1.2 cubic ft sealed, had good results though.

id be willing to bet that the amp that guy with the 3 volfs wouldnt hit 2000 watts ANYTHING even if it were struck by lightning.

adam

 

Hey the elemental desgn k series are bang for your buck I vote on those

 

That's why I asked him.

Getting back to the HE2s... with enough power I'd expect them to be louder than W0s. W0s aren't an SPL oriented sub. BUT... the W0s have a higher sensitivity, and with modest amounts of power, will achieve higher SPLs than the HE2s. Ultimately the HE2s will play louder if you have enough power.

But given the difference in sound quality, I'd take the W0s every time.

www.adireaudio.com
If you buy subs based on how they look, don't even waste your time going to the site. The subs are as plain as can be, and the Brahma has a butt-ugly dustcap design. Personally I think the Shiva is a beautiful sub, but I have always preferred the plain look.

 

check ur pms

 

if i bought subs based on how they looked, id wouldnt have the he2's thats for sure.

im actually quite impressed with the sound quality of mine, i did a little tuning with my crossovers, and let a buddy of mine listen, he said he was very surprised they sounded that clear.

HE2 is a much better woofer than the w0, id like to get my hands on a couple w3's for a closer comparo.

adam

 

I don't know what to say. You're the first person I know that ever liked the sound of the HE2s better. All the ones we sold were bought by kids that wanted to boom. I can't wait to replace mine.

 

hmmm, maybe its in the box choice, mine are in sealed, ive never heard them in a ported box.

adam

 

Mine are sealed too. I put a pair of 12s into a ported box (or were those HX2s? Doesn't matter, they don't really sound much different), and that ported box pounded like a bastard. The SQ seemed better than my sealed setup, but still didn't get as clean as I like.

 

I would also recommend the Adire Shivas. Jim85Iroc recommended them to me so i bought them. Man do they sound nice. Thanx Jim

 

no problem.

I need to get off my duff and buy one for my Vette.

 

what kind of power do those shivas seriously handle? who has hit good numbers with them?

if they hold alot of power, i could be sitting at two ohms with them, and 1100 rms, sounds REAL good to me.

what could you compare the sound quality to for an off the shelf woofer?

i have trouble buying things i havent heard with my own ears.

thanks guys, these questions are open to whoever has experience with these woofers.

adam

 

also whats up with the brahmas?


thanks
adam

 

I don't believe that the Shivas are high power subs and I think that they original started out as home subs. Could someone confirm this?

 

i know, but home audio still needs power.


adam

 

Yes i believe they were originally made for home subs. i dont remember what the sub pushes but i think it was around 150 rms per coil

 

yeah, the Shiva was originally designed for home theater apps, but people started putting them into their cars, and the rest is history. Now I think 90% of Adire's business is to car audio buyers.

Anyway... the power handling of the sub depends on the enclosure, as does handling specs for any sub. If you check adire's site for the shiva http://www.adireaudio.com/mobile_aud...vers/shiva.htm you can check out one of the graphs near the bottom. The Shiva is capable of low frequency output that's quite a bit above that of comparable subs. This site has a good explanation of the driver's power handling capabilities: http://www.adireaudio.com/Files/Seal...plications.PDF

The sub is rated for use up to 600 watts, depending on the application.

If all you're looking for is an SPL sub, I'm sure you can do better than the Shiva, although it's not likely you'll do better within the Shiva's price range. The Shiva is designed for sound quality, and a smooth response with a lot of low end, which is something that a lot of car audio drivers lack.

The Brahma is a no-comprimise sound quality sub. It's built to be the best sounding subwoofer that money can buy, which was accomplished by creating a voice coil system that provides a linear movement of the cone. The spider is also designed to have linear characteristics. This results in sound quality that isn't effected by excursion. As a side benefit, it also allows the sub to have some wicked excursion, which is why it is capable of such massive SPL. The XBL2 technology that Adire uses in their Brahma is the only current method of maintaining this linearity other than the method that JL developed and uses in their W7 sub. There are a couple other subs out there that use the XBL2 technology, one of them being the RE XXX. I believe that Resonant Engineering (RE) is who holds the patent on the XBL2. I might be off a little bit on my info about who holds the patent, but I think it is RE.

EDIT: Nope. Looks like Adire invented it, and licensed it to Destijl, who I believe is the parent company of RE.

 

Adires new salesman: Jim!
J/K

I have not gotten the chance to hear a Brahma, but hopefully I will get the chance someday.

 

i had Jensen 10's a few years back, i know everyone tells me to stay away from Jensen but they rocked, i mean ive had better subs as well but my Jensens were kickin good. Istill have yet to see how they sucked. Its not always true that the cheaper ones must be crap. Im thinkin of gettin Jensen 12's now, ya most people laugh at them but i had a better sounding system than some of my friends runnin infinity and kenwood etc.