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I've got Kenwood Excelons that are awesome, 300 W peak, 75 RMS. They sound really good, in my opinion.. Of course, there are going to be some who like totally different thins, or even dislike mine, as it really is alot of opinion... At the same time, there are some brands (Sony) that just aren't any good...
That said, I like my Kenwoods...
That said, I like my Kenwoods...
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I prefer Boston Acoustics products, and well boston makes a nice set of 6x9s, NX 97. They handle 12-200 watts rms, which is just about all you will need, i cant think of putting more than 100 watts rms per channel in ANY car, exept maybe subs, but im not a big sub person. Anyways they are two way speakers (woofer, two tweeters) responce range of 35Hz - 20kHz When im done modding my engine (performance over sound) im dropping a set of thos in along with a set of boston 746s up front. expect to pay between $220-$250 for a pair For more detailed information, http://bostonacoustics.com/ca_product.asp?ProductID=214
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Yeah, those are nice speakers.. Here are the ones I'm using, just for comparison...
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-riuLhRw...0&I=113KFCX698
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-riuLhRw...0&I=113KFCX698
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Infinity all the way, don't get the reference cheapies get the good ones. They hold bass really well I think I paid $150 for mine.
Infinity all the way, don't get the reference cheapies get the good ones. They hold bass really well I think I paid $150 for mine.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
Infinity all the way, don't get the reference cheapies get the good ones. They hold bass really well I think I paid $150 for mine.
Infinity all the way, don't get the reference cheapies get the good ones. They hold bass really well I think I paid $150 for mine.
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Car: 1986 z28 and 1997 Disco
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Can any of you guys tell me why they only give you like 2 speaker selections when you put your car in at crutchfields? I wanted Kenwood Excelons but it says they wont fit. Anyone?
Originally posted by Derek The Great
Nx 97 cheapies? LMFAO... those things r runnin at 200 but you would most likely pay anywhere from 220-250 for a pair, read the link meatwad it helps
Nx 97 cheapies? LMFAO... those things r runnin at 200 but you would most likely pay anywhere from 220-250 for a pair, read the link meatwad it helps
However, if you're getting subs and good front speakers, you're wasting money on rears anyway.
Originally posted by Yossarian14
Can any of you guys tell me why they only give you like 2 speaker selections when you put your car in at crutchfields? I wanted Kenwood Excelons but it says they wont fit. Anyone?
Can any of you guys tell me why they only give you like 2 speaker selections when you put your car in at crutchfields? I wanted Kenwood Excelons but it says they wont fit. Anyone?
I wouldn't disregard it totally, but check out how the top mount depth compares to those Infinitys - 3 5/16"
HOWEVER, the basket for the speakers isn't very big. You may run into problems for a speaker of the same depth depending on magnet diameter, size of the surrounding basket, etc, since the hole isn't uniformly shaped where the car slopes inward at the top.
Crutchfield probably doesn't bother to look at our cars in regard to newer speaker models since there are more people upgrading their Honda's.
HOWEVER, the basket for the speakers isn't very big. You may run into problems for a speaker of the same depth depending on magnet diameter, size of the surrounding basket, etc, since the hole isn't uniformly shaped where the car slopes inward at the top.
Crutchfield probably doesn't bother to look at our cars in regard to newer speaker models since there are more people upgrading their Honda's.
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Originally posted by Yossarian14
Can any of you guys tell me why they only give you like 2 speaker selections when you put your car in at crutchfields? I wanted Kenwood Excelons but it says they wont fit. Anyone?
Can any of you guys tell me why they only give you like 2 speaker selections when you put your car in at crutchfields? I wanted Kenwood Excelons but it says they wont fit. Anyone?
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I tested/compared Alpine SRS-609A speakers to a whole line of Boston Acoustics and prefer the Alpines. At about $100 less I'm happy with my choice and will be purchasing them soon. So definitely an alpine speaker fan right here. I have cheap Pioneers which aren't bad either, but could be better. The mids can get fatiguing to listen to after a while.
I will probably use cardomain.com to make most of my purchases. They do a better job of telling you what fits the car. They have great prices and are factory authorized (I've heard too many horror stories about buying cheaper stuff non-factory authorized). Factory authorization probably doesn't matter if you're buying speakers, but it does when you buy amps and headunits (and probably even subs).
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Alright well this is going to be a long response. I talked to a guy from crutchfields and when it says that they do not fit that is not exactly true. He said that many of these speakers will fit but they are so close to the grill in the dash they are afraid the sounds could get messed up or some junk like that which I dont agree with, opinions? Either way this isnt going to affect me at least for a while because heres what I think we are going to do. My dash was horrible cracks, practically unusable but we filled the cracks with rtv and this guy that my dad knows is going to cover it in a leather and cut the speaker grills out so we need to find a speaker with a grill preferrably, once again opinions? Finally this is going to be my first car and I was wondering at my age if my friends or myself will even be able to notice the difference in these speakers that you guys do. I need to purchase the 4x6 and 6x9 as well as the headunit in the next week or less so I need opinions. Thanks
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Well, I'm not that old, but I assure you, I can tell the difference... Actually, considering how much money I spend on it/would spend on it if I could, I almost wish I couldn't.. Think about it, listening to an old stereo in your grandmas car compared to a new vehicle. Sounds like a great improvement.. For me, replacing stock speakers is often that good, even if it's in a new vehicle... The Yukon my parents have is brand new, sounds good and all, but I still here a huge difference...
Heck, it's possible that the younger you are, the better hearing you have...
More to be destroyed by the audio system you got, because you had good hearing...
That was a lot of typing to say you'll like a good system...
Heck, it's possible that the younger you are, the better hearing you have...
More to be destroyed by the audio system you got, because you had good hearing...
That was a lot of typing to say you'll like a good system...
4x6's don't usually come with grills, and a lot of the larger 4x6's don't fit on the driver's side of the dash because the hole is funny shaped (I think this is more of a problem in the Firebirds than Camaros). So people that own the better aftermarket 4x6's had to do some dash modification for them to fit.
You will notice a difference over the stock speakers if you install aftermarket dash speakers, but there are all sorts of problems with dash mounted speakers (covered in other threads). You only notice the difference between 4x6's and better component setups when you have something to compare it to. It doesn't take a trained ear to hear the difference between dash speakers and kick panel speakers - anybody can step into a car and hear how much better kick panels sound (although they probably don't know why). Now that I have my components in kick panels, I won't ever go back. If you are going to buy speakers that require you to do the work to modify the dash, you might as well spend your time on the kick panels - there are people on here who sell them.
If I put them on a scale, 1 being poorest, 10 being the best, here's how they would rank:
Stock dash speakers - 1
Aftermarket dash speakers - 3-4 (depending on quality of speaker)
Kick panel speakers - 7-10 (depending on quality of speaker and quality of install).
Don't rush buying this stuff. You'll feel a lot better about your purchase if you do a lot of reading, then go listen to different products, and THEN buy the equipment. As far as brands go, everybody likes different ones, so you'd better go to a store to do some listening.
You will notice a difference over the stock speakers if you install aftermarket dash speakers, but there are all sorts of problems with dash mounted speakers (covered in other threads). You only notice the difference between 4x6's and better component setups when you have something to compare it to. It doesn't take a trained ear to hear the difference between dash speakers and kick panel speakers - anybody can step into a car and hear how much better kick panels sound (although they probably don't know why). Now that I have my components in kick panels, I won't ever go back. If you are going to buy speakers that require you to do the work to modify the dash, you might as well spend your time on the kick panels - there are people on here who sell them.
If I put them on a scale, 1 being poorest, 10 being the best, here's how they would rank:
Stock dash speakers - 1
Aftermarket dash speakers - 3-4 (depending on quality of speaker)
Kick panel speakers - 7-10 (depending on quality of speaker and quality of install).
Don't rush buying this stuff. You'll feel a lot better about your purchase if you do a lot of reading, then go listen to different products, and THEN buy the equipment. As far as brands go, everybody likes different ones, so you'd better go to a store to do some listening.
I haven't seen Rezn8r's kick panels (maybe he will post some pics in his other thread). Jim's don't appear to take up too much leg room.
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=291081
Of course the first set of pics show unfinished kicks.
If you get kick panels, you're looking at a few extra bucks, too - but its worth it. Jim is making a custom crossover and hand-selected speakers to go with his, but you can ask for just the kick panels.
https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=291081
Of course the first set of pics show unfinished kicks.
If you get kick panels, you're looking at a few extra bucks, too - but its worth it. Jim is making a custom crossover and hand-selected speakers to go with his, but you can ask for just the kick panels.
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Kick panels would be a heck of an improvement over those 4x6s, but here are a few reasons why i dont want them in my car. The average person that just happens to peer into your car would see those and think "hmm aftermarket speakers... I bet that guy has an amp too... Upgraded rear speakers... possibily a sub..." And then may decide to go to town on your car. sure u could get an alarm but if they want your stuff, they will get in and with what limited time they have they will smash and grab bc they dont care about the car, after all it isnt their's. And my other reason/excuse is that i prefer the stock look of my interior, and i will just upgrade what currently resides in those speaker holes.
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Everything may get stolen.. On guy I know, the only person I know to have had stuff stolen, had nearly everyhting taken, and even he said it was all trash... You would think they would notice...
That said, if it's better, yeah, some people will take more notice... But if they see aftermarket, it's up for grabs.
That said, if it's better, yeah, some people will take more notice... But if they see aftermarket, it's up for grabs.
Of course I was being sarcastic, for those of you who weren't sure.
If you can avoid being a show off, you're doing yourself the biggest favor of all. The less people know about your system, the less likely it will get stolen.
If you can avoid being a show off, you're doing yourself the biggest favor of all. The less people know about your system, the less likely it will get stolen.
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Originally posted by Derek The Great
Kick panels would be a heck of an improvement over those 4x6s, but here are a few reasons why i dont want them in my car. The average person that just happens to peer into your car would see those and think "hmm aftermarket speakers... I bet that guy has an amp too... Upgraded rear speakers... possibily a sub..." And then may decide to go to town on your car. sure u could get an alarm but if they want your stuff, they will get in and with what limited time they have they will smash and grab bc they dont care about the car, after all it isnt their's. And my other reason/excuse is that i prefer the stock look of my interior, and i will just upgrade what currently resides in those speaker holes.
Kick panels would be a heck of an improvement over those 4x6s, but here are a few reasons why i dont want them in my car. The average person that just happens to peer into your car would see those and think "hmm aftermarket speakers... I bet that guy has an amp too... Upgraded rear speakers... possibily a sub..." And then may decide to go to town on your car. sure u could get an alarm but if they want your stuff, they will get in and with what limited time they have they will smash and grab bc they dont care about the car, after all it isnt their's. And my other reason/excuse is that i prefer the stock look of my interior, and i will just upgrade what currently resides in those speaker holes.
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Originally posted by sesand
Of course I was being sarcastic, for those of you who weren't sure.
If you can avoid being a show off, you're doing yourself the biggest favor of all. The less people know about your system, the less likely it will get stolen.
Of course I was being sarcastic, for those of you who weren't sure.
If you can avoid being a show off, you're doing yourself the biggest favor of all. The less people know about your system, the less likely it will get stolen.
Sorry bout that, ignore my post then..
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Originally posted by firebirdjosh
OR most theives won't know third gens don't come with aftermarket speakers in that location. They may see upgraded dash speakers since they are right in clear view then think "hmm aftermarket speakers... I bet that guy has an amp too... Upgraded rear speakers... possibily a sub..." And then may decide to go to town on your car.
OR most theives won't know third gens don't come with aftermarket speakers in that location. They may see upgraded dash speakers since they are right in clear view then think "hmm aftermarket speakers... I bet that guy has an amp too... Upgraded rear speakers... possibily a sub..." And then may decide to go to town on your car.
Now that I took my old Pioneers out of the dash, I can see a whole lot better on sunny days. Their white cones used to reflect off the windshield and it was a bit annoying. I wonder who the genius was who decided white is a good color for dash speakers....
I feel sorry for the guy who tries to steal speakers out of the dash, though. He might as well just steal the whole car.
I feel sorry for the guy who tries to steal speakers out of the dash, though. He might as well just steal the whole car.
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If you have subs then don't worry about what brand you get
Everyone told me Xplod was total garbage but I wanted a super cheap system that wasn't used (so many times I've bought speakers to find them blown)
2 sony xplod 5 1/4 inch speakers for the dash
2 sony xplod 6x9's
1 sony xplod 10 inch sub in a sealed box
sony xplod head unit
sony xplod 500 watt 3 or 4 channel amp
i have it wired for 3, one channel bridged to the 10 inch sub
and one 6x9 apiece for the other 2 channels
i have played hard rap and knocked that thing at the highest I can get with no distortion (it gets pretty loud too, suprised me, the 5 1/4's start distorting so i dont go past, even though the 6x9's and sub still has some room to breathe) and then i'll throw some Korn or old Metallica in and blare the hell out of it. (cant even do it with rear passengers, it just can't be handled)
i have never EVER blown a fuse or single speaker in that whole system
NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER
that system is about a year old, and has already outlived one car.
Everyone told me Xplod was total garbage but I wanted a super cheap system that wasn't used (so many times I've bought speakers to find them blown)
2 sony xplod 5 1/4 inch speakers for the dash
2 sony xplod 6x9's
1 sony xplod 10 inch sub in a sealed box
sony xplod head unit
sony xplod 500 watt 3 or 4 channel amp
i have it wired for 3, one channel bridged to the 10 inch sub
and one 6x9 apiece for the other 2 channels
i have played hard rap and knocked that thing at the highest I can get with no distortion (it gets pretty loud too, suprised me, the 5 1/4's start distorting so i dont go past, even though the 6x9's and sub still has some room to breathe) and then i'll throw some Korn or old Metallica in and blare the hell out of it. (cant even do it with rear passengers, it just can't be handled)
i have never EVER blown a fuse or single speaker in that whole system
NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER
that system is about a year old, and has already outlived one car.
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oh yeah, and i only put myself like 500 bucks into the whole system (including cheapo box that i reinforced and wiring)
learn how to set your EQ according to what you listen too... maybe thats my secret... im a musician, so i keep it dialed in depending on the style of music I listen to, sometimes even the specific song... lol... but there's like 5 EQ presets on my cheapo deck, and that covers it without having to fiddle around with it.
(I AM dissapointed at not having mp3 capabilities though)
but still
thats money saved towards better parts for your car.... lol
i should probably mention that i was on such a budget because i just spent 3000 bucks on the setup in my 65 Fury though, so thats what i wasnt worried about it, lol. I'm saying though, i was still suprised.
the Fury has 4 Boston Acoustics that I'm pretty happy with (although I've blown two) pushed by a 1200 watt RF amp and another Rockford Fosgate (1800 watt max) pushes two alpine type R 12's.
it knocks hard, but the cheap *** system sounds clearer... especially on rock, lol
learn how to set your EQ according to what you listen too... maybe thats my secret... im a musician, so i keep it dialed in depending on the style of music I listen to, sometimes even the specific song... lol... but there's like 5 EQ presets on my cheapo deck, and that covers it without having to fiddle around with it.
(I AM dissapointed at not having mp3 capabilities though)
but still
thats money saved towards better parts for your car.... lol
i should probably mention that i was on such a budget because i just spent 3000 bucks on the setup in my 65 Fury though, so thats what i wasnt worried about it, lol. I'm saying though, i was still suprised.
the Fury has 4 Boston Acoustics that I'm pretty happy with (although I've blown two) pushed by a 1200 watt RF amp and another Rockford Fosgate (1800 watt max) pushes two alpine type R 12's.
it knocks hard, but the cheap *** system sounds clearer... especially on rock, lol
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Originally posted by Dizturbed One
...my 65 Fury...
...my 65 Fury...
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Wow, what a beat to death question.
I recommend Infinity Kappas. They sound great, period. Otherwise, pretty much any of the Best buy crap will sound the same (pretty much, as a generality)
I recommend Infinity Kappas. They sound great, period. Otherwise, pretty much any of the Best buy crap will sound the same (pretty much, as a generality)
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