CAMAROF41

hey guys,
i have a 84 F41 camaro with the 305 v8 carbed and a auto tranny.
i am going away from the computer controlled crap on this car, this is not my dail driver at all, its a pure drag strip and weekend car, anyhow i am tossing the stock carb out the window it sucks and no long works correctly even after i have rebuilt many times, and i know i have to change the distributor on the car to a non computer car, so my question is what kind of distributar should i get? and what about the tranny? i assume sence the computer is messing with the motor then the tranny must be controled by the damn computer to. so what do i do about that? also can you guys give me a few ideas on what carbs and intakes i should look into also? i just got the car last year and i dont really know alot about it? i'm a die hard ford guy who was given a chevy? lol dont get me wrong its a great car and i love it but it needs more power.

rleprechaun

I have a 1987 that was originally a computer carburetor car. You are on the right track. Get a none computer HEI distributor. Performance distributors is a good one. Pertronix, Proform and GM are all OK. MSD is probably the best, but very expensive. I have a GM but if I were doing it again I would get a Performance Distributor. As far as carburetors go I have installed many different brands and models, I like the Edelbrock preformer series. As far as intakes are concerned I like the Edelbrock performer and performer RPM series. I normally match up the 600 cfm with the performer manifold and the 750 cfm with the performer RPM. I am running a Performer RPM air-gap (7501) with a 750 cfm performer carb. (1411) and love it! TCI, B&M, and Painless performance products all make manual lock up kits for the 700R4. I can't advise you on this, my 700R4 is nonlockup. The TCI is a good bit cheaper than the other two. Remember to change the intake and distributor at the same time.

CAMAROF41

cool man thanks for all the info, i assume that you too ares till running the 305 v8? how does your car perform now with these mods? and will the tranny still act normal once the new lockup kit is installed? and can you recomend any heads for this motor? i am looking at getting the RPM air gap with a 650 cfm carb most likly a edelbroke with VS and i have hooker long tube headers and a 3" pipe all the way back to a flowmaster out the back end. so what kind of heads would you now recomend for my aplication? and a cam too i have been looking into one for this car.

thanks alot.

dusitn

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

If you think removing the computer "crap" will by itself make your car faster, you're delusional.

Since you're building a drag-only car, do it right. Build a 350 at least, there's no particular glory in going slower. Unless you put a lot of highway miles on the car (such as driving it to the track), there's no need for the converter lock-up - build a TH350, TH400, Powerglide in that case. If you're just settling for the tranny you've already got, okay.

The only "real" drag carb is a double-pumper. Everything else is a pretender. But, a CC q-jet will cost less to make into a drag carb than buying any Edelbrock would.

You can build anything you want. But you don't seem to have proper up-front assumptions.

CAMAROF41

no you dont understand what i'm trying to do. i want to build a fast 305 v8 carbed camaro. i could just go and put in a 350 or 400 or a 454 but i want to make this one of the fastest 305 camaro's out their. plus like i said it will be a weekend warrior too i plan to drive it on the street. i hope to get mid to high 11's on a 305 v8 i have more plans for the motor of this car but for now i want to get the computer stuff out of here and get the heads and intake done for now so i can start saving for the rebuild and the engine work i plan to have done in the future.

RB83L69

No, I think you're the one that doesn't understand .... yet. You haven't spent enough money on stuff that didn't make you go any faster .... yet.

Here's the equation for power:

• Power = $$$$ x CID

Put simply, every one of those cubic inches amplifies your $$$. The recipe for a disappointment is using a small motor when you're not rules-limited. Power comes from burning gasoline molecules. Only a certain number of gasoline molecules will burn in air at atmospheric pressure. That means, the bigger the motor, the more gasoline molecules it burns per revolution, and therefore the more power it makes. The only way to burn more gasoline molecules with a smaller motor is to turn it faster; that means all the parts see more stress, which means more $$$$ parts. Or, you can use artificial means of either incresing the cylinder pressure above atmospheric (blower, turbo) or dump liquid oxygen along with fuel into the motor (nitrous). Now, any of those things can be done to a 305; but go back to the equation above. Do it to a bigger motor, you get more. Period.

Here's the equation for speed:

• Speed = $$$$

That one's pretty easy to understand. Speed costs money; how fast do you want to go?

The way to make a car go fast is not to simply walk up to it with a pair of dykes and a Jeffrey Dahmer saw, and start hacking. It's to figure out what the one thing having the most limiting effect on the car's current performance is, and then fix it. Note I said "car", not "motor"; lots of things about the rest of the car can slow it down, from excessive weight to mismatched gears. It is NOT to "leave the computer crap", or to un-bolt and re-bolt big shiny easy-to-get-to things that sit up on top of the motor where everybody can see them, or to buy the latest magazine-article buzzword.

Don't set yourself up for an expensive disappointment in the form of a hacked car that doesn't run all the time and costs you money unnecessarily. You're kidding yourself right now with this 11-second 305 business, especially if you think it's going to work on the street too. If that was possible - let alone easy for a first-timer - you'd see alot more people with such cars on this board.

rleprechaun

First I agree with five 7 kid cubic inches =torque. You can make the same horsepower with less cubic inches but you must make more revolutions. I do not agree with five 7 kid about cost of carburetors. An Edelbrock preformer 600cfm is $260, a 750cfm $276. Sean Murphy Induction charges $375 to remanufacter a computer controlled Q-jet.
I do not have a 305 in my car. When I bought my car out of a friends front yard, the block had frozen and busted. I replaced the 305 with a Goodwrench 350.
If you keep the 305 there are only two sets of heads to use World products, S/R Torquer 305(pn 042650-1) available from Bill Mitchell Products and GM Vortec heads available from Scoggin-Dickey with spring upgrade (pn SD8060A). Remember if you use the Vortec head you should use a Vortec specific intake manifold.
I like Comp Extreme Energy cams for flat hydralic lifter small blocks. For you engine combination with the stock converter I would use a XE262H or XE268H.

CAMAROF41

you guys make me laugh. how many 302 fords do you see hitting 11's? alot so why cant my 305 haha you guys are funny thanks for the info that did help for you other guys i dont know what you are trying to prove i plant o keep the 305 and rebuid it and stroke it out some if money permits then with the heads intake carb and nitrous i plan to use i will be able to hit high 11's no problem but i guess you guys think that the 350 is the only way to make power for some reason.

RB83L69

OK... let us know how it turns out when you get it done. We'd like to hear your success story.

And no the 350 isn't the only way to make power, far from it; it's just the cheapest and most plentiful. But don't listen to us, go do what you have to do, and come back and prove us all wrong. We'd like to see it done, really. Enough talk and pessimism. Show us the way.

85_ZED28

no sir, you are funny

you might want to change your attitude, believe it or not, some of the guys around here know their stuff

rleprechaun

First off you need to read the string "fill me in new intake & carb. are on their way, what do I expect" in this section. Your goal of 11's with a 305 is unrealistic, low 13's high 12's yes 11's no. A 305's bore x stroke is 3.73x3.48. A Ford and Chev. 302 are 4.00x3.00. The small bore of the 305 causes valve shourding and crowding.
Check out Chev High Performance magazine's articles " My Generation Camaro". Jeff Smith then editor and Tim Moore one of the best low buck Chev. mechanics going team up to rework a 1987 camero with 305. The fifth installment was in the Dec. 2001 issue.
Good luck with your project. Keep us up to date.

demicon

Hmmm.. just a thought regarding the ford 302's.. I suspect that in alot of the cases, the 302 was in a mustang. Mustangs are smaller and lighter than our ol 3rd gen camaros right? So if that is true, then our 305 with an 11 second time's basis of propability is kinda shot out of the water right?

Just a thought.

BTW good site guys


89 Firebird 2.8 MPFI

"Yes.. I have had the leaky intake manifold too.."

five7kid

iTrader: (14)

Answer: A fair number.

Question: How many are doing it without power adders?

Answer: Zero.

Q: How many are using some sort of feedback computer setup?

A: Most of them.

Q: How many that are hitting 11's break things regularly?

A: All of them.

Case in point: I was lined up to run one of those guys a couple of weeks ago. After our burn-outs, I pre-staged, he hung back; after a minute I was told to run my singleton.

SSC

Dont bother removing the ecm if your going to build a 305. Anything under a 350 isnt worth building "just to see" even then a 350 is so-so. Anything lesser then a 400 isnt worth trying to make it run fast unless you won the lottery and have money to burn. They all look the same who's going to know a 400 isnt a 305? Yea a few of use can tell but most people dont have a clue.
Anything you can do to a 305 to give it more power the ecm will most likely support it.

CAMAROF41

its the thread that wont die

pre

Nothing wrong with moding a 305. Sounds like he wants to do a slow a build up thats why he's keeping the 305. Cubic inches do matter, but if he wants do build a fast 305 then let him. My 87 LG4 started out the same way 2 years ago.