Does anyone know how benficial that edelbrock carb kit would be for a 3.1? The reason i ask is because right now i came by 400 dollars and im looking for a nice up grade. So far this is what i have on the car:

Cam
Heads
Rockers
Pulleys
Limited Slip
Plugs
Wires
Coil
Muffler
Catalytic converter
Intake

If the kit is going to give me a good gain i would do it. But i want to be sure before i go at it.

 

by carb kit youmean carbuator?
It will kill your power.
There is a reason why the early carb'd 2.8's were replaced by fuel injection. They got like 30-40 more Hp.

 

All i wanted to know. Thanks

 

the earlier carb'd v6 cars weren't anything to speak of but the edelbrock setup is entirely different. i'm planning to put it on my car in hopes of picking up .2-.3 seconds at the 1/4 mile.

 

It really depends on which cam you have. My advice would be to wait for AM91 to guineapig it (good luck bud). If it works good for him, go for it. It's a lot easier to tune a carb than a computer chip after all. One thing though, will it fit undera stock hood (I always wondered that)?

 

if you're serious about it, you may not want to wait for me to do mine! i don't know for sure when i'll have time to do mine. according to my measurements, it won't fit under the stock hood. including the air cleaner stud, its about 4" taller than the stock mpfi setup. i'm looking for a good deal on a cowl hood if anybody has one so that i can get the carb on and under a hood. here in FL, its been raining about everyday, i don't want to be running around with no hood on it.

 

What would it take to do this? Would i have to loose the comupter? and what else would need to be modified?

 

The early 2.8s lost carb, and went to fuel injection - but the power increase was from the HO heads and cam - NOT the FI.

 

Exactly what carb kit are you all referring too. I looked on the edelbrock website but was not able to find that kit. I have a cowl hood and would rather have a carb on my 3.1 than fuel injection. If someone could just post a link or some info on the kit, I will probably get it and just try it.

 

You would need to find a carb. Need to change your fuel pump tp a low PSI one, or get a flow restrictor. You would need all the linkage for the carb setup. If you have a 700R4, you would need the kit to allow your converter to lock up. The EGR system from a carb car. The wiring schematics from a carb car. Cut/spice and solder wiring to fit the carb car. Just to name a few things.

 

Go to edelbrocks site, The carb,manifold and cam kit (iirc there is a cam also) are all there .

you'll need a afpr, I used the mallory 4309, $80

Carb throttle and tv cable linkage was $20

Converter lockup kit (i still dont have one) was like $35? i think?
EGR? nah trash it.

Why in the world would you need the wiring schematics from a carbed car?

there will be some wires that are not used once you swap to carb but no need really to cut or splice much of anything, Just unplug the frontal part of the harnesss from the back part right behind the motor near the firewall.

BTW i dont know how much it is now but awhile ago i looked up the price for the edel carb kit with a holley 390 cfm carb and it was like $700!

 

Look harder. http://edelbrock.com/automotive/index.html

 

here , dyno results from edelbrock

 

Because that was when a few carb cars HAD electronics IN THEM.
SO, Yes you might need to hook or splice some wires.

Why you would want to go Carb is beyond me. They may be easier to work on sometimes, but carbs are a dying breed. pretty soon all they will be is in racing, and even then some sanctioning bodies are pushing for FI.

 

Pretty *** backwards comment aint it?

 

Uh no.
Obviously your are continuing the trolling.

That was meant to say that cars like yours that you actually took off FI, will continue to be less and less in number. I am saying that people like you that swear by carb's will become fewer and fewer. I am saying that carburated vehicles like yours will become harder and harder to find. Vehicles like yours will be replaced more and more by FI cars, and or people fixing your screw up and be putting the intake system that is supposed to be on the engine back on.

I will venture to say that carb powered automobiles will continue to decline. They will also be declining in racing. NHRA, and similar racing organizations.
There are several sanctioning bodies in the racing world that are trying to phase out carburators all togeather in favor of FI, which BTW is alot easier to check for compliance.

So, no troll, that was not an "*** backwards statment", it is a very true statement. Carburators are a dying breed. They are also beginning to loose their foothold in the "real" racing sceen.

So you can take your comments elsewhere. Especially when you have no clue what they hell you are talking about.

 

Like i said an *** backwards comment. In the racing world CARBS make more power ,easier and higher in the rpm then fuel infection does. Carbs rule mainly in the racing world and most likely will for some time to come.

Your very first comment on this thread shows you have no clue wth your talking about.
Try to go to the carb section and post your uninformed comments and see what people have to say about them.

Theres a reason why people who mod the hell out of their motors evenually rip the pos fi crap off their motors and bolt on a carb.

And why is it that when someone doesnt agree with your way of thinking its automatically called trolling?

Also , take a look at the aftermarket performance parts. Carb sales are WAY higher then the aftermarket fi sales. And will be for some time to come.

So yes your comment was *** backwards and uninformed just like your first comment on this thread.

btw, i posted trying to help others looking for more information about the carb kit. IF you dont like carbs them by all means stay with your induction you have now on your 60*, no one is making you swap. But please keep out of subjects you know nothing about.

 

Actually, Carbs days in racing are numbered. There are more and more teams going to FI every year. Not to mention the main sanctioning bodies pushing for the switch.

The first post I put up is true. The FI motors got more Hp/Trq did they not? Is there a reason why there has not been a automobile of any performace, hell any base that has been powered by a CARB in nearly 20 years?

And I see more people swapping out carb'd motors to go with FI, not the other way around. Just because you cannot undertand how to make it run does not mean that others do not. You had problems with yours, so instead of learning something, you wnet to a less efficent carb.

I do not care if you agree or not. I have disagreed with others on this board and I do not call them trolls. You come in here talking about engine swaps. If I am not mistaken, that is now considered trolling.

I have seen more people buy FI systems then Carbs. Then again these people know how to work with FI. Maybe the people that do buy Carb's simply do not know what they should. They like having problems in hard weather. They like having difficulty when weather shifts, or when they change elevation. Who knows. I do know that when the Holly Stealth ram came out NOONE could keep it on the shelf. While year old carbs sat there.

My comments were truthful. The FI motors for whatever reason made more power then the carb'd ones. And I will still say that a propperly tuned and designed FI system will always outperform a Carb. Hell the EFI system I have on my project car will easily outrun your 300 Hp I am sure. And it only has 4 cylinders!

And how many times do I have to say I do not even own a 3rd gen anymore. Mine went the way of the yard last week.

And if someone asks a quetion, that I do know something about, I will most certainly "Chime in" whenever the hell I feel like it.
No one is making you reply, just like noone is making me reply. You do not like what you read, then don't read it. But in either case quitcherbitchen!

 

Yes. Emissions, not power.

 

Power is easier to make with a carb then with fi.

If you could read i had no problems with my motor when it was fi. I couldnt however find a wirering harness for a halfway decent price to i sold the tpi crap and went carb.

You comments are still uninformed , just like someone else has pointed out.

I came in this thread to talk about the carb swap not "swap a v8 in it"

And why is it when one of you smaller motor people are challenged in any way its always "my little motor could take yours" <~ pathetic really.

The early 60*'s had so many issues its not funny BUT the carb induction was not one of them. If you did your homework and read sometime istead of all your random babel you'd learn something.

Please have fun with your 4 cyl john deer. And for the sake of the thread. Learn something before you post again.

 

You are so owned it is not funny. LOL.

 

wow another stupid comment.

Anyway to the person who started this thread. I dont think you'd be able to do the swap with just $400. But if you do , do the swap im sure you'll see a gain. Looking at the dyno picture you could probably do better then that with a different cam.

You will not have to find wiring diagrams and cut and splice wires like some misinformed person posted. Its a Very easy swap.

 

FI can be good/maybe better if you have or can get a good setup. our stock intakes are not good and there is nothing available other than this carb setup. it will do better than the stock fi setup.

if you do the swap, leave the computer in the car. leave your speedometer hooked up the way it is, stock, and your convertor lockup should still work if you have an auto. hook the temp sensors up and the comp. will still control the automatic fan cycling. stuff like that but it won't control fuel and timing, the important things for making power.

 

Are you nuts? I think that it is obvious to everyone here who knows nothing about performance engines. We talk real engines here not the 60* POS. Maybe in your v6 world, the carb is going south. It real world of racing, as you call it, carbs are still the norm.

 

Thankyou.

 

no probs w/ carbs or FI, but they both do have their place. To the everday person (who's not going to be under the hood of their car , unless they're checking oil) a fuel injected engine is probably best. However, to a person who who enjoy's wrenching a carb would definately be more practical.

Also, yes, it can be easier to make power, especially "MASSIVE" amounts of power with a carb, and as a result they will probably still be in racing for years to come, just as they've been around in the past.

Fuel injection is making it's way into racing, but so is smalelr 4 cylinder engines running quad turbos, will they catch on? only time will tell, for fuel injected racing, it's definately a possibility that it will catch on also, but old traditions die hard.

For a street driven, daily driver vehicle, i see no reason why a fuel injected setup wouldn't be used. You'll get good gas millage, good emissions, and decent performance. if you're the guy who wants his car to go fast, then i'd say go for your carb setup, when someone sees a timeslip they probably wouldn't second guess you....

In a thirdgen however, I HONESTLY!!! IMO wouldn't touch one if it had an aftermarket carbed engine, for one reason only....i've seen to many people butcher these cars, people do engine swaps that shouldn't hvae been done etc. And they're not done right, a factory engine is what i expect to see, or atleast factory wiring, i'm not a stock ****, and if i see an engine swap that looks good, is clean, etc, but is a carb, i'd probably be ok w/ it...but i've seen to many people do swaps that aren't worth their weight in dog ****...and as a result i'd normally run from such projects.

 

Whoa whoa whoa... AFAIK, FI is actually outlawed in some racing - they don't want that tuneability.

EFI vs Carb.

Boils down to this -

They both can make the SAME MAXIMUM POWER.

EFI wins hands down on part throttle response. EFI is like having a carb with infinite jetting, that can be changed on the fly.

EFI is also complex as hell compared to a carb. Hence, carbs are easier for the average joe to work on.

For our V6s, the carb'd setup is *currently* the way to go - Edlebrock's intake is a HELL of a lot better than our stock MPFI intake.

If we had a good intake, though, EFI would win out overall over carb'd

 

I believe the imprtant word in this statement is CAN. On the exact same engine, with all other things constant, the carb will make more power.

 

i agree with the statement that fuel injection was made for emmisions reasons completely thats exactly why you will not see anymore cars or trucks come out with them its not because its superior to a carb its because of our beautiful government we have that doesnt like the idea of power anymore...they want smogged down engines that get gas mileage not power and performance...lol...when i get the cash in sept my brother and i are going to take the tbi off my pickup and install new intake and carb on it just so itll run a little better and yes a carb is easier to work on than injection anyday of the weak but thats not why most people put a carb on their cars ...lol...its for performance reasons or they are building a nice performance engine and dont want to spend the same amount of money on an injection system they just spent on the engine .....

 

Exactly, also someone mentioned milage, i get almost the same milage ,highway that is, now as i did before the swap. Only time i use more gas is when i drive around the city.

But im glad others came in and posted their 2 cents about this subject and basically cleared up the SOMEONE left in the thread.

Back to the subject. Is anyone actually going to buy the edelbrock kit?

 

id like to see a pic of it on the v6 never seen one with it yet but would like too ...
every one i know with a carbed engine has a v8