fireturd350

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That's interesting. Mind measuring the shroud for the rest of us?

If we had a picture and exact deminisions this would cut the price of radiators even more. My friend had one made for him for $25 or so. Just about any compontent HVAC shop can use their sheet metal bender to make a cover if it's non-louverd.

joeblue83

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I finally put my champion radiator in. Didn't fit to well. Had to modify the rubber isolators, in addition I had to notch my spohn wonder bar a little, to make it fit. I also had to trim a little off the top plastic support. I was a real pain in the behind, but it cools really well, and for 200 dollars not a bad deal. I love when companies say these things are direct fits....hardly!

84 z28

It fits but you need to mod that i will admit. Your never going to get a direct fit going from a 1 or 2 row to a 3 row radiator. I only had to modify the isolators and I was fine. For $200 it dropped my temps 20-30 degrees so its well worth the money. Most aftermarket parts never fit well its just the nature of the beast.

I H8 WWD

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Ill get the measurements for you today for the shroud.

I wanted to state, trimming the isolators is an understatement. I basically have pieces of flat rubber sitting under and on top of the radiator, I trimmed about 90% of the isolators away. I am going to get me a bike inner tube and cut it up and use that under and over the radiator for an even better fit of the radiator. At least until I get a new radiator mount piece to match my shroud.

Since its going to be raining this week I wont be able to get much more done, but I have the fans and shroud mocked up ready to be drilled, so I can get that done. After that I will measure for the bolts, nuts and washers, looking for some rubber washers to keep down on vibration noises. Geoff told me he used something like 1/2-14 bolts for the fans through the shroud, but the holes for the fan feet are way to small for 1/2 bolts. So right now its looking like x4 1/2-13 for the shroud, x8 1/4-20 for the fans. Don't quote me on those sizes.

hardyz13

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what part number are you guys using. All im finding is a 2 core for a third gen and 3 row for 2nd gen.

84 z28

This one, but there out of stock

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ALUMI...Q5fAccessories

I H8 WWD

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Alright guys, totally been messing around, but here they are.

Fan Shroud
Gauge = 1/16"
Total Length = 25-3/4"
Inside Length = 25-5/8"
Total Height = 18-5/16"
Inside Height = 17-3/16"
Total Depth = 5/8"
Inside Depth = 9/16"
Fan Opening Dimension = 11-3/16"
Fan Shroud Mounting Bolts, Nuts, Washers

Note: I am using the slotted section of the radiator to mount to, instead of the single hole next to it.

Fans
Fan Ear Mounting Dimensions (Square Mounting Style) = 9-3/4"
Fan Ear Hole Size = 1/4"
Fan Ear Thickness = 1/4"
Fan Ear Mounting Bolts, Nuts, Washers

Note: Some Drilling out of the Fan Ears may be needed to squeeze the 1/4" bolts through.

I decided to use the same size Bolts, Nuts and Washers, for ease of install and since the nuts and washers come in packs of 50 and 100.

I think thats everything needed to know for mounting, let me know if anything is confusing.

jjb

I installed my 3 core Champion radiator 2 weeks ago. It was a tight fit. I had to replace my upper rad mounts with some thin rubber and grind the holes in my rad fans for everything to fit. Overall, it wasn't to bad of a fit.

I have the factory dual fan set up in my car, and down here in the Arizona heat, I have seen a very small change from my factory radiator to this one. Maybe a 5 degree difference, if that. Today it hit 104 degrees outside temp. On the way home from work, with the a/c on max, the coolest my car would run was around 195-200 degrees (I have a 180 degree thermostat in it). That was when I could keep the speeds above 45mph. When I went any slower than that, the temp would slowly creep up until I would have to shut off the A/C.

I have a set of LS1 fans ordered and will be installing them soon. Let's hope that fixes my temp problems!

By the way, car has a mildly modified carbed 350 that puts out roughly 370hp at the crank.

Slowridr

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Ive heard those LS fans are good. Just put the taurus fan on mine and what a difference. I live in Atlanta and you know the heat can get intense here. I still have stock radiator but when running the Taurus fan on its high setting it will not budge off of 180*(have a 180 thermostat) no matter what the other condition is traffic, freeway, idle, whatever. I can only imagine what will happen when I put in the 3 Core aluminum!

jjb

I'm going to see how it works in a few weeks. It gets up to 120 degrees out here in July.

RS Reaper

I been looking at this for a while and I just notice that the description it says trans cooler included. Does that mean its built into the radiator and has any one used it to cool the transmission? Does it work well?

Slowridr

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If Im correct most radiators are set up (if like stock design) with fittings that allow trans cooling.

jjb i can feel your pain, we dont have thermometer temps reaching 120* but the heat index (humidity added in) will surely climb to that level during the dog days of summer.

fireturd350

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The transmission cooler as I have seen in pictures is a spiral designed line that runs in the passenger side tank between the ports. My OEM radiator in my Bonneville has the same type design, I imagine the OEM radiator in the 3rd gens are the same but I didn't look closer when mine developed a leak and I toss it. There has been some concern of it leaking or cross contaminating the ATF but I have not seen or heard of an issue yet.

ryn28

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So I finally got around to installing the radiator I bought many months ago. I ground the top and bottom isolators down to almost nothing but no surprise there. It was going ok but now I ran into a problem. It seems if I spin the fan by hand I can hear it just kissing the rad and I haven't even tightened the fan down all the way yet. It's barely attached to the mounts at all. It's touching just about in the center of the fan blade and It looks like it's more the lower mount more then the top that's pulling it too close but I think the whole thing overall is not good. Anyone else have this issue? This is a on a 1986 single electric fan setup. I might space it out temporarily b/c now I'm thinking I should get rid of the factory fan and get a full shroud and new fan. I guess I should have bought it with the shroud to being with. :-/

Stephen

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On the Griffin I had years ago, on the 90RS, I had to shim te fan away from the radiator to keep it from eating the radiator.

pbtrilogy

im in the process of installing one of these radiators, and had a question.
Where the trans cooler lines go in, it looks like i would have to drill the holes my self, it doesnt look like there is any hole except for the thread hole.

Has anybody else encountered this with there radiator?

-Thanks

t-top havoc

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Don't drill//tap into it!!!
Sounds like you do not have a built-in auto trans cooler!!
Rads without the fittings are for manual trans or for using external
trans cooler!!!
Contact the seller before you drill//tap into it!!!

ryn28

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Absolutely DO NOT drill any holes yourself because then you won't be able to return/exchange it if need be.
Both holes should be there and be threaded. All I had to do was attach my lines and fittings (I have an external cooler as well). Maybe you got the wrong radiator or maybe there's an error when they made that one. If you're 100% sure it's not right call or e-mail where you got it and see about a replacement.

pbtrilogy

The holes and threads are there, it just doesnt look like theres any way for the coolant to get into the trans line, unless it goes through some tiny slit or something..

ryn28

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Not sure I'm following. Coolant will not and should not go into the trans lines, if it did you'd be in real trouble. Your trans fluid flows from the trans in to the top hole, gets cooled some inside, and exits the bottom hole back to your transmission. You should be able to connect your trans lines directly to the radiator. If you can, hook it up and that should be it.

pbtrilogy

ooo, thanks for clearing that up for me. I did not know thats how it worked, im still kinda new when it comes to this stuff, that makes me feel alot better now.

pbtrilogy

Is anybody running the stock fan with this radiator?

I just discovered that my fan does not work and i need a new one, what would you guys suggest...not looking for anything fancy, just something that will fit and is not to expensive.

Thanks

spade

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why not just buy the fans that they also sell

spade

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outta curiosity what about the shroud does it fit?

pbtrilogy

I have the single fan shroud, and with some modifications to the rubber isolaters, it fit for me

spade

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i have dual fans.... was wondering how much modifing needs to be done to have it fit.... im planning on buying the radiator and fans package... cause my fans seem slower than what they used to be....

3rdgenred

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So is there a replacement for this radiator? It seems to be out on the ebay page. JW if someone else has found a reliable yet cheap replacement, unless one of the other radiators listed will work. Lemme know.

-3rd

3rdgenred

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In case anyone wants to know the status about these radiators, I emailed the company yesterday and the guys said that they are on back order and I should check back in 2-3 weeks.

Stephen

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Years ago, I bought what was left of a 86 IROC that had a Griffen radiator. I took the Griffen out & dropped it into my wife's 90RS. Only thing I had to do to put it in er car, was to pull the stock rubber insulators off & use some thinner rubber to cushion the radiator. Once I did tat, it was a 100% drop in. Otherwise, it was just a hair too tall for the upper mount plastic piece to fit right.

With that being said.....I don't understand why it seems so hard to fit in an aluminum radiator. Maybe those Griffens aren't made anymore? I dunno.

Just wanted to throw my in on the subject.

spade

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Yea mike from leadfoot racing called me today and said it was a 2week for the next shipment..... I gave him my info so when they come in I will give him the cc info.....

Pat Hall

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In case you guys are interested I ordered the CC951 from another guy on ebay, and of course it was just like everyone else. I was told it was on backorder, but the guy actually had another all aluminum 3 core that's virtually identical to the Champion model for about $200. He said it'll fit exactly the same, has tranny cooler provisions, etc. I can't remember the 2 letter prefix on the part#, but the number itself is (162), and the ebay seller is "monsterautoparts" out of California. He said he had plenty of these in stock, and I was gonna go that route instead of the Champion, but I decided to keep my stock radiator and just go with the Taurus fan upgrade instead. If you guys are interested, you can look him up on ebay under seller name "monsterautoparts", or you can give him a call. His name is Gregg and his phone# is (949) 637-9244. His price is cheaper than Ledfoot and the last time I talked to him he said he has plenty of the 162 radiators in stock and ready to ship.

3rdgenred

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It seems as if the one that this guys is selling is almost and inch bigger in every dimension. Im wondering if this would create and issue with hood clearance because several people were complaining about how they had to remove or shorten the rubber bushings on the lower part of the radiator to make it fit. If anyone buys the radiator from this monster place, let us know.

ryn28

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While working on still getting this thing in b/c of fan/shroud issues I noticed my radiator looks slightly different then the one in the picture on the first page of this post. You can see it looks like my core is separate from the top and bottom of the radiator top and bottom shroud mount area, and that it's welded to the top and bottom of that area. The radiator on the first page isn't built like this. Wondering if anyone else has it like mine or are more of them like the first picture? Maybe they changed the design later on the in the run since it was first posted?

Also, my core is 26.25" wide but is NOT 17.25" tall as listed on the ebay aucion, it's 16.125"-16.25" inside the top and bottom "rails". It measures 16.75" if I measure from the outside of those top/bottom core "rails".

toolegit86

i was lookin in to monster cooling on ebay they have the champion radiators in stock. my only question is that i am currently running the rs big single fan. will it work well with the big 3 core? i need something big time, my car gets hot with the oem one,

ryn28

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My single fan was actually hitting the rad so I was going to shim it out a little but then decided to ditch it altogether. Do a search for shrouds and you'll see how some have used cheap aluminum from Home Depot to make a shround setup for the single fan, they said it helped alot. I'd try that first on the original radiator if you want to keep the single fan, before even changing the radiator to a new one.

I bought the Champion shroud/fans and I wasn't thrilled with the fitment to the rad, I felt the mounting flanges could have been bigger and it was a tad too high. I also heard the chinese fans they give aren't the best flowing cfm either. I returned it and had TCP Performance custom make me a shroud with dual 12" Spal fans. I removed the a/c lines for clearance but could have made it work but since my a/c was shot anyway I removed them for now. The fans I got are also the deepest ones, one fan model down would give more clearance but 300 cfm less per fan as well. This setup cools QUICKLY!! I just finished yesterday and with only one fan running it went from 210 down to 180 in maybe 3 minutes.

df90irocz

I got the exact same one. The first one I ordered didn't work. (manufacturing issue; wouldn't pressurize do to the neck not being formed correctly to seal with the cap) After I got my second one though, it worked amazingly. Kept my engine about 40 degrees cooler. It was extremely simple to install, too. Just pulled the old one out, and dropped the new one in.

Stephen

iTrader: (12)

Exact same one What? Radiator? Fans? After 12 pages of stuff, how about you naming what you mean? And/Or putting up a link?

df90irocz

Sorry. I was talking about the radiator.

toolegit86

next question is what is better in out camaros?? a 2 core or 3? i just got a mild 350 but i still get hot with with heavy duity one i got form shucks.

onebad82z

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I just picked this exact one up from Genesis that wildjyoung linked to. I have no overheating issues so a 2 core is more than enough aside from the fact the 2 cores are much wider than my original 3 core brass as far as overall core width goes so the 2 core does have more cooling area.

Got mine in today. Thank you for that link! As soon as I saw the price I ordered it. Cannot complain for $116 shipped to my door. I would post pics for comparison but Riss has that covered!

bcnvz28

Champion Radiators back in stock. See post below for contact info.


https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/cool...ml#post4646855

84 1LE

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For the guys using the Taurus fan.What year vehicle are they from?

Drone358

See mine measures 31x19.5, and it looks waayy to tall when i set the radiatior in the car. The highest ive read all of yall's is 18 or 18.5... maybe some cutting to be involved...

Beater79TA

Has anyone tried to run the Champion radiator with a cap other than the one they ship with it? That one fits fine but the one I had on the stock radiator doesn't fit it at all.

Mark A Shields

delete

OUTATIME GTA

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Just a heads up in here. ..I started a new post in the Group Purchase board for the Champion Radiators.

If anyone is on the fence, I say we try to get it done in the next 30 days and save a little $$. I've got 2, need 8 more!

Thanks!


https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/grou...t-fit-3-a.html

hardyz13

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Man I just bought mine yesterday.

OUTATIME GTA

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Bummer!

I made an update to the Group Buy thread after hearing from Geoff.

If we get just 4-6 orders he'll still give a good $20-$30 off!

Just need a few more folks to commit!

hardyz13

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Has anyone installed one in a firebird yet or is it the same as a camaro.

OUTATIME GTA

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Prob the same from what I would assume.

Need at least 1 more folks for the GP! Would like to get this confirmed by next Friday.