EBL flash help. Idle surge bad
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EBL flash help. Idle surge bad
Complete newbie to tuning here so please bare with me. Have a 87 GTA with a vortec 350 and stealth ram. Accel 30# injectors, early lt1 f-body cam, T-5 transmission. Installed EBL today and set it up according to RBob's recommendations found here https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/dfi-...-ebl-what.html
Used the EBL utility for injector size and his suggested fuel pressure to get a value of 144. Entered that into the BPC vs. VAC table in tuner pro. Also copied over the other values he mentioned from another BIN. Had a issue with the MAP but got that resolved quickly (user error). Once that was fixed the idle then started surging pretty bad. I have no idea where to go from here. Could anyone point me in the right direction? Attached photos and a idle datalog from the WUD and my current BIN with one VE learn.

Used the EBL utility for injector size and his suggested fuel pressure to get a value of 144. Entered that into the BPC vs. VAC table in tuner pro. Also copied over the other values he mentioned from another BIN. Had a issue with the MAP but got that resolved quickly (user error). Once that was fixed the idle then started surging pretty bad. I have no idea where to go from here. Could anyone point me in the right direction? Attached photos and a idle datalog from the WUD and my current BIN with one VE learn.

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Re: EBL flash help. Idle surge bad
Surging is usually caused by a lean area in the VE table. But I don't really see that, both the NB & WB are in the rich(er) area. Try these two things to see if the surging stops:
Zero out the "INJ - Single Fire Mode PW - PORT Only" table
Zero out the two idle SA tables:
SA - Idle Low Compensation
SA - Idle High Compensation
See if that helps get things settled down.
RBob.
Zero out the "INJ - Single Fire Mode PW - PORT Only" table
Zero out the two idle SA tables:
SA - Idle Low Compensation
SA - Idle High Compensation
See if that helps get things settled down.
RBob.
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Car: 1987 Trans am
Engine: 350 Vortec Stealth Ram
Transmission: T-5
Axle/Gears: 02 SS Torsen Zexel 3.42
Re: EBL flash help. Idle surge bad
Surging is usually caused by a lean area in the VE table. But I don't really see that, both the NB & WB are in the rich(er) area. Try these two things to see if the surging stops:
Zero out the "INJ - Single Fire Mode PW - PORT Only" table
Zero out the two idle SA tables:
SA - Idle Low Compensation
SA - Idle High Compensation
See if that helps get things settled down.
RBob.
Zero out the "INJ - Single Fire Mode PW - PORT Only" table
Zero out the two idle SA tables:
SA - Idle Low Compensation
SA - Idle High Compensation
See if that helps get things settled down.
RBob.
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Re: EBL flash help. Idle surge bad
Gonna be in the same boat as you pretty soon. My cam is a fair bit raunchier, though, unfortunately.
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Re: EBL flash help. Idle surge bad
I have a feeling the results after install should have been fairly smooth. I couldn't verify my base timing since the vortec cover has no timing degree marks so that didn't match the tun, and I need to get an adjustable fpr.
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Re: EBL flash help. Idle surge bad
Originally Posted by L98GTA87
I couldn't verify my base timing since the vortec cover has no timing degree marks so that didn't match the tune...
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