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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 01:37 PM
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Conflicting data/readings...

I just installed 90 pph injectors. I set the BPC to 92. I knew I was going to have to adjust the VE tables a bit to get things back to the way they were.

The engine starts ok but once it begins to warm up it adds too much fuel. I can see this thru my inj pw. The wierd part is the commanded open loop AFR climbs (numerically...going from 11.5 to 14.1) and the inj pw climbs (numerically...from 16000 to 22000).

Isn't this backwards of what it should be doing? Basically, initial start-up is ok but if you give it a minute it starts to add fuel for some reason.

Any ideas?

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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 02:13 PM
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Re: Conflicting data/readings...

Originally posted by V8Astro Captain
I just installed 90 pph injectors. I set the BPC to 92. I knew I was going to have to adjust the VE tables a bit to get things back to the way they were.

The engine starts ok but once it begins to warm up it adds too much fuel. I can see this thru my inj pw. The wierd part is the commanded open loop AFR climbs (numerically...going from 11.5 to 14.1) and the inj pw climbs (numerically...from 16000 to 22000).

Isn't this backwards of what it should be doing? Basically, initial start-up is ok but if you give it a minute it starts to add fuel for some reason.

Any ideas?
Where is the PW value coming from? A value of 16,000 would be 244 msec of inj PW.

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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 03:57 PM
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Uhhh...hehehe. Ya know, I dunno if the numbers even mean anything. I've just been watching them and the higher they go, the more fuel goes in.

Let's see...
Code:
;---------------------------------------------
    ;  ALDL XMIT TABLE OR ADDRESSE'S
    ; 127747 ECM
;
;  5.7L TBI    L05 C/K    87,91 TRUCKS
;
    ; DATA PIN: Read data on PIN "E" of ALDL Connector
;
; BAUD RATE:  160 Baud
;             Open - 20 Bytes
;             10k   - 20 Bytes
;             Shorted - 20 Bytes
;
;---------------------------------------------
    ORG $04E7 ;
LD4E7   FDB $D002   ; 1.  EPROM ID LSB
LD4E9   FDB $D003   ; 2.  EPROM ID MSB
;---------------------------------
LD4EB   FDB $00FD   ; 3.  CURRENT IAC POSIT, (0-255)
;  N = COUNTS
;---------------------------------
LD4ED   FDB $0025   ; 4.  COOLANT
;  see table 1
;---------------------------------
LD4EF   FDB $0034   ; 5.  MPH,
;  (MPH/1)
;---------------------------------
LD4F1   FDB $002D   ; 6.  MAP, (A/D, 0-255)
;  VOLTS = N * .0196
;---------------------------------
LD4F3   FDB $001C   ; 7.  RPM/25
;  RPM = N * 25
;---------------------------------
LD4F5   FDB $0048   ; 8.  TPS (A/D, 0-255)
;  VOLTS = N * .0196
;---------------------------------
LD4F7   FDB $00A4   ; 9.  INTIGRATOR, (0-255)
;
;---------------------------------
LD4F9   FDB $003E   ; 10. o2 (A/D)
;  mvdc = 0.2304 * A/D VAL
;---------------------------------
LD4FB   FDB $00E0   ; 11. ERROR WD 1   MALFFLG1  
;---------------------------------
LD4FD   FDB $00E1   ; 12. ERROR WD 2  MALFFLG2
;
; b7 Err 43 ESC FAILURE
; b6 Err 44 Oxygen sensor LEAN
; b5 Err 45 Oxygen sensor RICH
; b4 Err 51 PROM Error
;
; b3 Err 52 CAL PACK MISSING
; b2 Err (not used)
; b1 Err 54 FUEL PUMP relay failure
; b0 Err 55 ADU ERROR 
;---------------------------------
LD4FF   FDB $00E2   ; 13. ERROR WD 3  MALFFLG3
;---------------------------------
LD501   FDB $000E   ; 14. MAWF1, (FLAG), b1, 4, 7 & b6
;---------------------------------
LD503   FDB $0045   ; 15. BATTERY VOLTS, (A/D, 0-255)
; VOLTS = N * .1
;---------------------------------
LD505   FDB $0801   ; 16. MCU2IO
;---------------------------------
LD507   FDB $0073   ; 17. OLD PA3
; N = COUNTs
;---------------------------------
LD509   FDB $00A3   ; 18. BLM, (BLM/1)
;
;---------------------------------
LD50B   FDB $00BA   ; 19. O2 CROSS COUNTS                
; N = COUNTS
;---------------------------------------------




RAM Variable stuff
L0052     EQU     $0052 ; BPW, MSB
L0053     EQU     $0053 ; BPW, LSB
there's the ALDL x-mit stuff. I'm sure you knew that...
I have $0053 @ 0x4E7.....and $0052 @ 0x4E9


huh...maybe I have the MSB and LSB turned around....

Anyway, I calc'd 92 for the BPC. That didn't work at all. So I tried about 5 other chips and found that setting the BPC to 100 works great! All the BLM's were really close (some rich some lean). After I figured that out I'm right back to where I was.



So what's the deal with my bolluxed inj pw display?
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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by V8Astro Captain
So what's the deal with my bolluxed inj pw display?
Locations $52 & $53 are what are known as temporary locations. They are used all over the code for calculations where the value does not need to be kept. In the fueling routine they are used in the AE, they are also used in the knock routine, lag filter routine, the VSS routine, and a host of other places.

Try placing $00AB at $4E7 and $00AC at $4E9. That is the sync PW value. It won't be perfect but it is the PW value.

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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 04:59 PM
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Yikes. Well that explains alot doesn't it!
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Old Feb 10, 2003 | 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by V8Astro Captain

Anyway, I calc'd 92 for the BPC. That didn't work at all. So I tried about 5 other chips and found that setting the BPC to 100 works great! All the BLM's were really close (some rich some lean). After I figured that out I'm right back to where I was.

Maybe I was wrong. I took the van out on a good drive and got better data. All the BLM's were around 140. So now I have the BPC at 109 and it's STILL lean. At 800-1200 it shows rich.

I'm gonna go get a gauge, maybe my fuel pump is shot...
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