Crank fuel w/ $58
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Crank fuel w/ $58
I just put in 60 lb injectors and set the bpc vs desired egr appropiately.
However, I am having a problem with starting the car sometimes. I think that it is too much fuel on start up. IF I hold the pedal to the floor if it does not start the first time it will turn over and start. Since that puts the computer in clear flood mode and does not fire the injectors, it reinforces my too much fuel at crank idea.
My question is the below table the one that I should be modifing to compensate for the too much fuel at crank.
Location 0x0551
CRANK AF VS COOLANT TEMPERATURE
Which is a ratio amount.
... I reduce these values to add less fuel... correct
Also, any suggestions by how much
Please let me know if I am on the right track.
Thanks
-- Tom
However, I am having a problem with starting the car sometimes. I think that it is too much fuel on start up. IF I hold the pedal to the floor if it does not start the first time it will turn over and start. Since that puts the computer in clear flood mode and does not fire the injectors, it reinforces my too much fuel at crank idea.
My question is the below table the one that I should be modifing to compensate for the too much fuel at crank.
Location 0x0551
CRANK AF VS COOLANT TEMPERATURE
Which is a ratio amount.
... I reduce these values to add less fuel... correct
Also, any suggestions by how much
Please let me know if I am on the right track.
Thanks
-- Tom
Last edited by novass; Mar 1, 2005 at 06:21 PM.
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Re: Crank fuel w/ $58
Originally posted by novass
I just put in 60 lb injectors and set the bpc vs desired egr appropiately.
However, I am having a problem with starting the car sometimes. I think that it is too much fuel on start up. IF I hold the pedal to the floor if it does not start the first time it will turn over and start. Since that puts the computer in clear flood mode and does not fire the injectors, it reinforces my too much fuel at crank idea.
My question is the below table the one that I should be modifing to compensate for the too much fuel at crank.
Location 0x0551
CRANK AF VS COOLANT TEMPERATURE
Which is a ratio amount.
... I reduce these values to add less fuel... correct
Also, any suggestions by how much
Please let me know if I am on the right track.
I just put in 60 lb injectors and set the bpc vs desired egr appropiately.
However, I am having a problem with starting the car sometimes. I think that it is too much fuel on start up. IF I hold the pedal to the floor if it does not start the first time it will turn over and start. Since that puts the computer in clear flood mode and does not fire the injectors, it reinforces my too much fuel at crank idea.
My question is the below table the one that I should be modifing to compensate for the too much fuel at crank.
Location 0x0551
CRANK AF VS COOLANT TEMPERATURE
Which is a ratio amount.
... I reduce these values to add less fuel... correct
Also, any suggestions by how much
Please let me know if I am on the right track.
And yes.
F54:
;Crank AF vs Coolant Temperature
;Ratio
FCB 29 ; -40
FCB 32 ; -28
FCB 44 ; -16
FCB 32 ; -4
FCB 36 ; 8
FCB 47 ; 20
FCB 58 ; 32
FCB 72 ; 44
FCB 77 ; 56
FCB 79 ; 68
FCB 84 ; 80
FCB 87 ; 92
FCB 97 ; 104
F56:
;Cold Engine Temp Dependent AF Ratio vs Coolant Temp And MAP
FCB 0
FCB 0
FCB 9
;Ratio 50 60 70 80 90 100 110 120 130
FCB 85, 85, 85, 85, 85, 85, 85, 85, 90 ; -40
FCB 90, 95, 95, 95, 95, 95, 105, 101, 102 ; -28
FCB 118, 118, 116, 116, 116, 116, 116, 116, 114 ; -16
FCB 120, 120, 120, 120, 117, 118, 118, 117, 118 ; -4
FCB 129, 129, 126, 126, 126, 122, 122, 122, 122 ; 8
FCB 137, 137, 134, 134, 134, 131, 131, 131, 131 ; 20
FCB 139, 139, 136, 136, 136, 133, 133, 133, 133 ; 32
FCB 143, 143, 143, 138, 138, 138, 138, 138, 138 ; 44
FCB 145, 145, 145, 145, 145, 145, 145, 145, 145 ; 56
FCB 147, 147, 147, 147, 147, 147, 147, 147, 147 ; 68
F57:
;AF Ratio vs Coolant Temp (Cold Engine & Closed Throttle)
FCB 100 ; -40
FCB 100 ; -28
FCB 115 ; -16
FCB 130 ; -4
FCB 139 ; 8
FCB 141 ; 20
FCB 143 ; 32
FCB 144 ; 44
FCB 145 ; 56
FCB 147 ; 68
Last edited by Grumpy; Mar 2, 2005 at 02:24 PM.
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Grumpy,
Maybe you can help me wrap my head around your post.
I understand the F54
however, the remainder of the chart I am having a tough time following, I understand the values on the right are the temp C.
However the other values I am unsure of what they represent.
I am using tunerpro and this is what my "F54" table looks like,
How would your values fit in my table.
Ex. -40 = what ratio value
-28 = ?
This way It will help me understand this type of data also.
Here is my table as it sits now.

What my guess from your data is:
-40 = 18
-28 = 21
-16 = 26
-4 = ?
8 = ?
20 = 43
32 = 52
44 = 65
etc.
if it was displayed in the chart in tunerpro,
Am I on the right track?
It is not like I am going to put in your values, I just want to unerstand your values and the trends/changes you made.
Thanks
-- Tom
Maybe you can help me wrap my head around your post.
I understand the F54
however, the remainder of the chart I am having a tough time following, I understand the values on the right are the temp C.
However the other values I am unsure of what they represent.
I am using tunerpro and this is what my "F54" table looks like,
How would your values fit in my table.
Ex. -40 = what ratio value
-28 = ?
This way It will help me understand this type of data also.
Here is my table as it sits now.

What my guess from your data is:
-40 = 18
-28 = 21
-16 = 26
-4 = ?
8 = ?
20 = 43
32 = 52
44 = 65
etc.
if it was displayed in the chart in tunerpro,
Am I on the right track?
It is not like I am going to put in your values, I just want to unerstand your values and the trends/changes you made.
Thanks
-- Tom
Last edited by novass; Mar 2, 2005 at 05:49 AM.
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Well I have done some more digging.
The tunerpro table is multiplied by .1 soo
when i looked at the hack it was listed
so 2.9 on my chart times .1 = .29 so that must be the 29 in the hack
3.2 * .1 = .32 so 32 etc.
I just dont see in your chart for f54 what the third # is?
Like this from above :
FCB 29 ;18 ; -40
is 29 the original number and 18 is what you set it to?
The tunerpro table is multiplied by .1 soo
when i looked at the hack it was listed
Code:
;-------------------------------------------------- ; 2d LK UP, 13 LINES ; A/F Timeout reduction interval vs coolant (F52C) ???? ; F54A ;-------------------------------------------------- ;-------------------------------------------------- ORG $4551 ; SEC'S DEG C COOL ;-------------------------------------- LC551 FCB 29 ; -28 LC552 FCB 32 ; -16 LC553 FCB 40 ; -4 LC554 FCB 51 ; 8 LC555 FCB 60 ; 20 LC556 FCB 70 ; 32 LC557 FCB 80 ; 44 LC558 FCB 90 ; 56 LC559 FCB 95 ; 68 LC55A FCB 100 ; 80 LC55B FCB 105 ; 92 LC55C FCB 110 ; 104 LC55D FCB 115 ; 116 ;--------------------------------------------------
3.2 * .1 = .32 so 32 etc.
I just dont see in your chart for f54 what the third # is?
Like this from above :
FCB 29 ;18 ; -40
is 29 the original number and 18 is what you set it to?
Last edited by novass; Mar 2, 2005 at 01:19 PM.
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Originally posted by novass
I just dont see in your chart for f54 what the third # is?
Like this from above :
FCB 29 ;18 ; -40
I just dont see in your chart for f54 what the third # is?
Like this from above :
FCB 29 ;18 ; -40
Yes, the second value was the old one. I work in source code, so I can leave all sorts of old values, and notes in the .asm
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