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Old May 15, 2005 | 06:02 PM
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Have questions for DataMaster/VEMaster/Tunercat

Trying to make all this work properly and couldnt find a how to per se here searching.

I know to open VEMaster and then pick my rpm ranges and BLM(128), but how do I go from that to the tables and inputting them into TunerCat?

I think I'm missing something dumb, so could someone shed some lite for me?

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Old May 15, 2005 | 06:05 PM
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VEMaster directly alters the BIN file... You tell it where to find a datamaster log, tell it where to find a BIN file, then set your maximum RPM and desired BLM values and start it... It computes and _executes_ the changes to the bin file... So basically, when I run it, I make a copy of my last bin file, then run VEMaster with a log file on the copy.. Then go in with TunerCat and explore the changes it made (and make adjustments as necessary)..
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Old May 15, 2005 | 10:07 PM
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Don't forget

After the changes have been made, you must open the bin in TC or TP to recalculate the checksum. The VE table changes are done but no checksum.
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Old May 16, 2005 | 08:13 AM
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh I see said the blind man lol

Thanks a million , the part I didnt realize/find was it dorectly changes the .bin itself. Now it all makes sense.

I'm still in awe of having all my tuning stuff on one laptop, I like doing things the hard way :-)

This will be sweet and easy.

later
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Old May 16, 2005 | 02:28 PM
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Wow

If only I wasnt stupid and updated my whole setup sooner.

Drove and did all kinds of pulls today, slow, hard, fast, TC locked and unlocked, etc and so forth.

Have most of the VE table sorted out thru 4k rpm.

Gonna try and run it thru emissions today also(IM 240)

Few more miles and I can safely put the LM-1 on and work on the AE and PE stuff and more safely work on the spark table.

later
Jeremy
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Old May 16, 2005 | 02:36 PM
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Jeremy - did you get the e-mail I sent you lasat week about your new setup?
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 09:26 PM
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Re: Don't forget

Originally Posted by JP86SS
After the changes have been made, you must open the bin in TC or TP to recalculate the checksum. The VE table changes are done but no checksum.
I see VEMaster asks for a Datamaster log file, but then asks for an ECM file? Will a Tunerpro 8D bin work? or does it have to be a Tunercat Ecm file?
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 06:56 PM
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Transmission: 700R4 HomeBrew, 2.4K stall
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Re: Have questions for DataMaster/VEMaster/Tunercat

If you are using the $8D version of datamaster the log will output what is needed.
VEMaster will prompt you for your starting bin file (with the VE tables that the log was made from)
Then VEMaster will change that bin file to update the VE tables with the error correction from the log file.
I have found it best to keep your starting bin file separate.
Have VEMaster change a renamed copy.

Then after three files have been logged and changed, open your "changed" bins in an editor (TC or TP) and copy each of the three into a spreadsheet and obtain the average change that was made.
Makes for a much more stable table than doing one log and change at a time. that can cause over/undershoot with the corrections and you may go back and forth a couple times.
HTH
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 07:00 PM
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Car: 86 Monte SS (730,$8D,G3,AP,4K,S_V4)
Engine: 406 Hyd Roller 236/242
Transmission: 700R4 HomeBrew, 2.4K stall
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi, 7.5 Soon to break
Re: Have questions for DataMaster/VEMaster/Tunercat

And don't forget to open a corrected file in your editor and resave it prior to running it.
The checksum is not uprdated by VEMaster. The editor will update that upon a file save.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 03:08 PM
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Re: Have questions for DataMaster/VEMaster/Tunercat

Originally Posted by JP86SS
If you are using the $8D version of datamaster the log will output what is needed.
VEMaster will prompt you for your starting bin file (with the VE tables that the log was made from)
Then VEMaster will change that bin file to update the VE tables with the error correction from the log file.
I have found it best to keep your starting bin file separate.
Have VEMaster change a renamed copy.

Then after three files have been logged and changed, open your "changed" bins in an editor (TC or TP) and copy each of the three into a spreadsheet and obtain the average change that was made.
Makes for a much more stable table than doing one log and change at a time. that can cause over/undershoot with the corrections and you may go back and forth a couple times.
HTH
so can i get a yes or no answer? Do i use the stock 8D bin file that my chip was made from?
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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 06:31 PM
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From: Browns Town
Car: 86 Monte SS (730,$8D,G3,AP,4K,S_V4)
Engine: 406 Hyd Roller 236/242
Transmission: 700R4 HomeBrew, 2.4K stall
Axle/Gears: 3:73 Posi, 7.5 Soon to break
Re: Have questions for DataMaster/VEMaster/Tunercat

As stated above,

Originally Posted by JP86SS
VEMaster will prompt you for your starting bin file (with the VE tables that the log was made from)
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 07:49 PM
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Re: Have questions for DataMaster/VEMaster/Tunercat

What happens if you don't open the .bin to recalc. the checksum?
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Old Feb 8, 2012 | 07:51 PM
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Transmission: 700R4 HomeBrew, 2.4K stall
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Re: Have questions for DataMaster/VEMaster/Tunercat

If you have the "Mask ID" set to 8D in the bin, you will throw code 51 (bad checksum)
If it is set to "AA" the checksum will be ignored.
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