Does anyone know of any software that will allow you thru your Laptop to tune or make a pre-determined change to tuning at any givin time (say like at a stop light, or cruising down the highway)?

 

Tunerpro and Tunercat RT...........

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I have Tuner Pro RT and the AutoProm by Moats. This combo (and some others) let you tune on the fly and I, though I am a complete newbie and seem to be working on making every mistake of oversight possible, have managed to get my 7747 emulating (the term for what you want to do) and updating on the fly while running. There have been a few hiccups with new releases that were quickly addressed and both Craig Moats and Mark Mansur (the guys behind AutoProm and Tuner Pro) have been very quick to respond to problems that turned up.

 

Yes, people know of some.
Do a search or read the most current threads. Someone just asked this the other day and got a few good responses.

 

I use the AutoProm and TunerPro RT as well but use a "G3" switcher when making "driving adjustments.
I have a position setup that I make modifications to while ALWAYS having the ability to change back to my operating bin if needed.
It is very easy to enter a wrong value while driving (ask me how I know) and cause a problem.
Its best to make changes when stopped if possible.
Keeping eyes on the road is the point.
Having a co-pilot helps allot too!

 

Like JP said.

The emulators are nice for finding some issues, but you still can mess it up or they tend to hiccup every so often :-)

Goofy issues, I will use them to help figure out, most of the time with a co-pilot.

Working on timing tables and VE or AE, I tend to stick to notes and chips or keep it all in the car and make changes to one thing at a time.

All my bins now have a name and a notepad file of the same name, never worry about wondering which notebook I wrote it in.

later
Jeremy

 

Thanks for all the info......

Are any of these programs windows based that can do 3D style charting..... that can graph current system variables, projected variables, and desired variables? With real time information and still allow for adaptation?

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...66#post2647166

 

yes, www.tunercat.com

 

or http://tunerpro.markmansur.com/

 

Thanks guys.......Apparently I have alot more reading to do......

 

TunerPro RT and Ostrich

 

[QUOTE]I use the AutoProm and TunerPro RT as well but use a "G3" switcher when making "driving adjustments.
I have a position setup that I make modifications to while ALWAYS having the ability to change back to my operating bin if needed.QUOTE]

JP, How did you do this?? I have the G2 switching adapter and get mine to emulate like every 15th atempt, would like to do the same? Thank you and sorry for the stupid question. Still getting this down.

 

My statement may have been misleading now that I see it.
The switcher needs to be in position "0" for emu.
I normally will drive on a 16 bin chip while logging. I program them progressivly different so I can see reactions. I only use the emu when concentrating on one area. Then I'll take what I found and program another set of bins (only takes a minute or two) then keep my "good" bin in the 0 position (just in case I go to far)
I found I loose track of changes to quickly if I keep using emulation only. My A.D.D. doesn't let me stop and record what I did correctly I end up starting over quite a bit. Its ok though, I learn each time I do it.

The AP can do multibank emulation like that with the optional 4mb chip. With full chip emulation, all positions on the switcher would work just like the chip. I believe then you could select one of the 16 bins locations and change on the fly to different ones. I'll have to give that a try this summer.
Got MonteCarSlow's SDRAM board to mess with too. Have lots of new toys to play with once my ride is moving again. Should be a fun summer.

Oh yea, I'm from Cleveland so "Go Seahawks!"

 

The hiccup is due to the design. All of the so-called "ECM emulators" that I have seen have this problem. It is caused by the design. I figured that they would have that fixed by now. It is very unsafe. There are so many things that could go wrong and cause an accident. The odds of that happening are slim, but the more that you use it and the more people that use them increase the likely hood of an accident. I steer clear on thridgens I see on the road.

Two different styles. It should be a good game.

 

I will be messing with MonteCarSlow's NVRAM board in about a month. The winter test rig is almost complete.........just need to fab end tanks on the intercooler and some radiator support work.
I have plans on trying to use it for the 730 ECM with $58 code.

MonteCarSlow's NVRAM board is a great "emulator". It is too bad that people haven't caught on. It blows away all 730/749 ECM emulators (ostrich/xtronics) out there. Funny how marketing/pushing a product works.

 

What specifically is the flaw in the so-called ECM emulators, Collector of Junk? It would be great to get it hashed out. I know the older designs did suffer from such issues and it really was quite annoying and unsafe.

BTW - how is your hardware coming along? At one time I remember hearing of you doing some work along those lines but haven't seen anything lately.

FWIW, I haven't suffered from any "hiccups" in quite a long while during so-called emulation sessions using the latest firmware and hardware revisions.

For everyone else: it's often overlooked, but the Ostrich has a software bank switching feature. If you're like me and have a laptop living in your car with you, you can use TunerPro to switch between and emulate from 8 different banks on the fly. Not quite as handy as the hardware switching, but pretty convenient nonetheless, especially during tuning.

 

What's up monkey Mangus? I tried talking about it a few times on the board but some people didn't really want to hear about it. Some actually got offended by it and threw a fit. So now I don't talk about it.

BTW - how is your hardware coming along? At one time I remember hearing of you doing some work along those lines but haven't seen anything lately.

That hardware has been done for a long time now. I finally got around to changing the microcode last year to work with TunerPro and Tunercat. That helped a lot because now I don't have to work with my MS-DOS stuff. The different emulators I have built are for personal use and I do not plan on selling them.

I do this stuff for fun in my spare time and would rather keep it that way. If I sold stuff I would have to do support for it and that would take away from my time to learn the ECM bin control stuff & re-writing/editing bin stuff in general. I have been building some boosted setups lately and I think that would be a lot more fun than sending responses to "may emulator won't emulate" everyday just because some people won't read the directions. I always did want to release it as a DIY kit. The problem is the Ucontroller programming. I have a XX-bit DES encreption that I wrote last year and installed and it works so it could be released as DIY kit. Overall, I would rather do ECM stuff in general than narrow my sights on emulators. I guess if I needed the money I could sell the stuff. It wouldn't be a bad business. The total cost to build the emulator in small quantities was around $75. In large quant. it was around $55. That would be a $100+ profit per emulator. Not bad in my book.

Thank you very much for the help on the version thing. The way xtronics did it is odd......everything is hex except for the version.
I used TP to do some logging and emulating last Fall for a few weeks. It works excellent. You do a nice job of updating and bug fixes.


FWIW, I haven't suffered from any "hiccups" in quite a long while during so-called emulation sessions using the latest firmware and hardware revisions.

Why did you ask what causes the hiccups when you already know the answer if it has been fixed? Why not post what the problem was?
Was it a TP problem on a hardware problem? All bets on the hardware.

 

I didn't already know the answer, nor did I know it was fixed. If there's one thing I've learned in supporting all this stuff its that just because I'm not having issues certainly doesn't mean others aren't! Sorry if you got the wrong impression.

I totally hear you on the support stuff. In the olden days (oh, maybe 2 years ago), I spent 90% of my TunerPro time actually writing code, and 10% supporting it. Now it's about 60% coding and 40% support. It's quite difficult. And to be totally honest, I hate the support side of it. If it took me a long time to write, it should take users a long time to figure it out!

Mangus the Code Monkey