I dont quite understand what "injectors going static" is. I cruize in my car, i crank the radio full blast, i jam the pedal to da flow, and no static at all. All i know is late at night, i hear them say, Katchem and kill'em. The only thing i know to do for that is crank my fuel and spark curves so that i can.

 

you so funny.......

 

its that HIPHOP crap you listen to.

 

chip burning isnt a game, my wife yells at me every time i use da microwave. I still dont get the static thing doh.

 

man brah, i know wat is now, yous tink brathas gots all da flow cause dealin drugs and playin basketball aint dat rite?

 

Dey goes like dis,
ject'rs need to be open/clo, open/clo
If you hold them open too long, dey just on.
If you open/clo, open/clo to fast, to long ani't time for 'em to clo.
Da point where dey no regulate no mo from da pooter kentrol.
gets d' shizzle?

 

we needs to get tagetha and qowagulate, you no, drop some 40,s
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dude brahs, i no wher yo comin from now haus, but how do ya tell when dey go statiky

 

man dude, you r down wit da program haus

 

Static also means, not moving, ie the injector is always on.

The problem with *going* static, is as the injector goes from 90% DC to 100%, the injector starts *missing a beat*. Since the off periods aren't long enough, the injector *hangs* closed. So just when you need it most, it goes slightly lean before going full rich.

(Hoping you just not wasting BW, with this question)

 

so you tellin me dis den, i gots 78%VE in table 1 an 30% in table 2 den da injecr static?

 

so its BPW (135) plus injector bias (488) and both fuel maps combined can go over 90% duty cycle then right?
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what is the difference between the BPW and injector bias? arent they the same thing? im needin a 40 right about now
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dont everyone talk at once now.

 

As you can tell from the data im presenting to you, this chip puts the 4.3L (which is what i have) @ 92% VE and has the BPW of 181 and injector bias of 488, so how can my bin be putting the injectors "static" if my values are less?
Source File: 91ASTRO 42.BIN
Source Definition: jerkwad.xdf

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Constants
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Initial Spark Advance 0.00 Deg
Max RPM for Spark Slope(strts 3600) 4400.00 RPM
Spark Slope-Deg/1K Rpm 5.05 Deg
Spark Bias - Warm 9.84 Deg
Spark Bias - Cold 20.04 Deg
Cylinder Select 6.00
Maximum Spark Allowed 54.14 Deg
Maximum Retard Allowed -9.34 Deg
ALDL/Closed Loop Spark 8.09 Deg
HiWay SA MPH Thres 28.13 >MPH
HiWay SA Min Time Thres 16.00 >Sec
PE/Strtup Spark ReCalc Interval 2.00 Sec
PE Spark Time Out 20.00 Sec
PE Min RPM for Decay 2400.00 RPM
PE Spark Decay Coolant Thres 41.00 Temp
PE Spark Advance Amount 2.81 Deg
Knock Retard MPH Cutoff Thres 2.00 <MPH
Knock Retard RPM Cutoff Thres 1000.00 <RPM
Knock Retard Temp Cutoff Thres 241.00 <Temp
Brst Knock Det Rate-MAP Thres 80.00 Kpa
Brst Knock Det Rate-TPS Thres 9.77 %
Brst Knock Det Rate-TPS Delta 4.69 %
Brst Knock Duration 0.15 Sec's
EGR Temp On 50.04
EGR on - Low VSS 0.00
EGR on - Hi VSS 0.00
EGR on - Low TPS% 1.95
EGR on - Hi TPS% 3.12
EGR on - *Low VAC Kpa* 43.43 (set to 0xFD)
EGR off - *TPS% Thres* 50.00 (set to 0x00)
EGR on - *Hi VAC Kpa* 48.86 (set to 0xFF)
RPM Min for EGR% 1000.00
Minimum kPa for EGR% 69.92
IAC steps fuel addr (msec) 32.77
Closed Loop Timer Warm Thres 102.94 Deg C
Closed Loop Timer Warm Sec's 4.00 Seconds
Closed Loop Timer Cold Sec's 40.00 Seconds
Min Coolant Temp for Closed Loop 26.25 Deg C
Open Loop Idle Thres MPH 6.00 at
Open Loop Idle Thres TPS% 6.25 TPS
Open Loop Idle Off--RPM 1000.00
Open Loop Idle On--RPM 0.00
O/L Idle AFR Enable Time Delay 0.00
O/L Idle AFR Time Delay 0.00
Max O/L AFR at Idle 14.20
O/L Max AFR 16.50
Min O/L AFR at Idle 15.00
Stoich AFR 14.70
BPW Const for EGR off 181.00
Max BLM 162.00
Min BLM 108.00
Max BLM Val @ Init 138.00
Min BLM Val @ Init 123.00
O2 Stay in ClsdLp-Upper 707.47 mvdc
O2 Stay in ClsdLp-Lower 282.12 mvdc
O2 Go into ClsdLp-Upper 742.19 mvdc
O2 Go into ClsdLp-Lower 256.08 mvdc
Min Integrator 60.00
Max Integrator 178.00
Max AFR (ClsdLp?) 17.00
Temp thres for Cold Start 10.60 Deg *C
Lwr Cool Thres PE Timer Bypass 69.00
Upr Cool Thres PE Timer Bypass 181.00
PE TPS Hyst 6.25
Delay PE Below RPM 3200.00
PE not Delayed is TPS% GT 60.15
Sec's Timer Delay for PE 5.00
Cool Temp Thres for PE 73.33 *C
RPM Thres for PE 1500.00
PE AFR for Cold 3.50 AFR
Choke AFR Timeout 2.00 Sec
Choke Hot Timeout 3.00 Sec
Choke Cold Timeout 2.00 Sec
Choke Coolant Hot/Cold Thres 154.00 tbl3
Minimum BPW Hyst Value 13008.25 Usec
Minimum BPW 10919.00 Usec
Injector Bias (added) 488.00 Usec
Max Asynch BPW 13999.50 Usec
Min Asynch BPW 1189.50 Usec
DFCO Upper RPM thres 1400.00 RPM
DFCO Lower RPM thres 1100.00 RPM
DFCO Lower MAP thres 14.96 kPa
DFCO Upper MAP thres 22.31 kPa
DFCO Enable Timer 0.05 Sec
Min Time between DFCO 2.00 Sec
Idle AFR Bias Value 0.00 mvdc
O2 prop term duration at idle 2.00
O2 prop gain factor at idle 15.00
INT Delay Bias at idle 10.00
AFR Time Out for Cold Park to Drive 1.00
Delay for AFR Time Out Park to Drive 15.00
Min %EGR Value 16.00
Startups Required to Erase Err Codes 50.00
Min Temp for AIR diverter 18.33 Deg C*
TCC enable temp 63.80 Deg C*
TCC coast low mph 2.80 MPH
TCC coast hi mph 2.80 MPH
TCC coast 2.00 TPS%
TCC forced lock at MPH 70.00 MPH
TCC lock low gear MPH 27.00 MPH
TCC lock low gear RPM 1300.00 RPM
TCC unlock low gear MPH 24.00 MPH
TCC unlock low gear RPM 850.00 RPM
TCC lock high gear MPH 26.00 MPH
TCC lock high gear RPM 1300.00 RPM
TCC unlock high gear MPH 24.00 MPH
TCC unlock high gear RPM 850.00 RPM
Init for A/C on Steps 25.00
IAC Park Position 145.00
IAC Pk to Run Delay Sec's 12.00
Stall Saver RPM 450.00
Exit Stall Saver RPM 550.00
%TPS for Closed Throttle 1.17
Delay small error IAC retract 4.00
Delay large error IAC retract 1.00
Delay small error IAC extend 1.00
Delay large error IAC extend 0.00
RPM enable large error retract 50.00
RPM enable large error extend 37.50
Idle Error Tolerance (RPM) 12.50
DFCO IAC Steps added 40.00
IAC Kickdown Delay Timer 3.00
IAC Kickdown Steps 17.00
IAC steps subtracted Pk to Run 4.00
Max Retract IAC steps 145.00
Max RPM hot Pk/N 900.00
Low VSS filter Coef 100.00
Medium VSS filter Coef 80.00
High VSS filter Coef 80.00
IAC extend delay Low VSS (msec) 200.00
IAC extend delay High VSS (msec) 400.00
IAC Decay Coef (No DFCO) 14.00
DFCO IAC Decay Coef 254.00
Stall Saver IAC step decay coef 64.00
Low VSS thres 6.88 MPH
High VSS thres 20.00 MPH
Min IAC throttle follower steps (Hi VSS) 7.00
Min TPS% for throttle follower 2.00
Throttle Follower Pk/Nt 7.81 %
VE as % (FL1)

KPA RPM x 100
4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32
100 55.47 57.42 58.59 61.33 61.72 62.11 61.72 62.50
90 46.48 49.61 54.30 56.25 57.03 58.59 58.98 60.16
80 46.88 46.88 52.34 54.30 55.86 58.20 59.38 60.94
70 41.80 45.70 50.78 52.34 54.69 57.03 59.38 60.55
60 36.72 42.97 48.83 50.78 53.13 55.86 57.42 58.98
50 30.08 39.06 46.48 47.66 50.00 53.91 55.86 58.20
40 21.88 34.77 41.02 42.19 44.53 48.44 52.34 54.69
30 19.14 25.78 32.42 37.11 41.80 44.92 48.05 51.56
20 16.02 19.14 23.05 28.13 35.16 42.19 44.92 48.05


VE as % (FL2)

RPM %
(null)
6400 21.88
6000 21.88
5600 21.88
5200 21.88
4800 22.27
4400 22.66
4000 27.34
3600 30.08
3200 30.08
2800 30.08
2400 30.08
2000 30.08
1600 30.08
1200 30.08
800 30.08
400 30.08
0 9.77

 

here is my current bin file with the same injectors

Source File: expirement.Bin
Source Definition: jerkwad.xdf

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Constants
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Initial Spark Advance 14.41 Deg
Max RPM for Spark Slope(strts 3600) 0.00 RPM
Spark Slope-Deg/1K Rpm 0.00 Deg
Spark Bias - Warm 0.00 Deg
Spark Bias - Cold 0.00 Deg
Cylinder Select 8.00
Maximum Spark Allowed 25.31 Deg
Maximum Retard Allowed 0.15 Deg
ALDL/Closed Loop Spark 8.09 Deg
HiWay SA MPH Thres 45.31 >MPH
HiWay SA Min Time Thres 0.00 >Sec
PE/Strtup Spark ReCalc Interval 0.20 Sec
PE Spark Time Out 0.00 Sec
PE Min RPM for Decay 0.00 RPM
PE Spark Decay Coolant Thres 0.00 Temp
PE Spark Advance Amount 0.00 Deg
Knock Retard MPH Cutoff Thres 255.00 <MPH
Knock Retard RPM Cutoff Thres 0.00 <RPM
Knock Retard Temp Cutoff Thres 255.00 <Temp
Brst Knock Det Rate-MAP Thres 0.00 Kpa
Brst Knock Det Rate-TPS Thres 0.00 %
Brst Knock Det Rate-TPS Delta 0.00 %
Brst Knock Duration 0.00 Sec's
EGR Temp On 0.00
EGR on - Low VSS 0.00
EGR on - Hi VSS 0.00
EGR on - Low TPS% 1.95
EGR on - Hi TPS% 3.12
EGR on - *Low VAC Kpa* 0.00 (set to 0xFD)
EGR off - *TPS% Thres* 50.00 (set to 0x00)
EGR on - *Hi VAC Kpa* 0.00 (set to 0xFF)
RPM Min for EGR% 1500.00
Minimum kPa for EGR% 0.00
IAC steps fuel addr (msec) 32.77
Closed Loop Timer Warm Thres 37.65 Deg C
Closed Loop Timer Warm Sec's 5.00 Seconds
Closed Loop Timer Cold Sec's 5.00 Seconds
Min Coolant Temp for Closed Loop 30.63 Deg C
Open Loop Idle Thres MPH 10.00 at
Open Loop Idle Thres TPS% 2.34 TPS
Open Loop Idle Off--RPM 1000.00
Open Loop Idle On--RPM 0.00
O/L Idle AFR Enable Time Delay 0.00
O/L Idle AFR Time Delay 0.00
Max O/L AFR at Idle 14.20
O/L Max AFR 15.00
Min O/L AFR at Idle 15.00
Stoich AFR 14.70
BPW Const for EGR off 181.00
Max BLM 162.00
Min BLM 108.00
Max BLM Val @ Init 138.00
Min BLM Val @ Init 122.00
O2 Stay in ClsdLp-Upper 598.96 mvdc
O2 Stay in ClsdLp-Lower 351.56 mvdc
O2 Go into ClsdLp-Upper 598.96 mvdc
O2 Go into ClsdLp-Lower 351.56 mvdc
Min Integrator 40.00
Max Integrator 158.00
Max AFR (ClsdLp?) 16.50
Temp thres for Cold Start 10.60 Deg *C
Lwr Cool Thres PE Timer Bypass 32.00
Upr Cool Thres PE Timer Bypass 255.00
PE TPS Hyst 6.25
Delay PE Below RPM 3200.00
PE not Delayed is TPS% GT 60.15
Sec's Timer Delay for PE 0.00
Cool Temp Thres for PE 44.11 *C
RPM Thres for PE 1700.00
PE AFR for Cold 2.00 AFR
Choke AFR Timeout 2.00 Sec
Choke Hot Timeout 5.00 Sec
Choke Cold Timeout 3.00 Sec
Choke Coolant Hot/Cold Thres 64.00 tbl3
Minimum BPW Hyst Value 1098.00 Usec
Minimum BPW 793.00 Usec
Injector Bias (added) 488.00 Usec
Max Asynch BPW 11986.50 Usec
Min Asynch BPW 503.25 Usec
DFCO Upper RPM thres 1450.00 RPM
DFCO Lower RPM thres 1200.00 RPM
DFCO Lower MAP thres 0.00 kPa
DFCO Upper MAP thres 0.00 kPa
DFCO Enable Timer 0.00 Sec
Min Time between DFCO 2.00 Sec
Idle AFR Bias Value 43.60 mvdc
O2 prop term duration at idle 16.00
O2 prop gain factor at idle 16.00
INT Delay Bias at idle 8.00
AFR Time Out for Cold Park to Drive 2.50
Delay for AFR Time Out Park to Drive 10.00
Min %EGR Value 16.00
Startups Required to Erase Err Codes 50.00
Min Temp for AIR diverter 69.89 Deg C*
TCC enable temp 47.56 Deg C*
TCC coast low mph 2.80 MPH
TCC coast hi mph 2.80 MPH
TCC coast 0.40 TPS%
TCC forced lock at MPH 100.00 MPH
TCC lock low gear MPH 49.00 MPH
TCC lock low gear RPM 1300.00 RPM
TCC unlock low gear MPH 48.00 MPH
TCC unlock low gear RPM 900.00 RPM
TCC lock high gear MPH 49.00 MPH
TCC lock high gear RPM 1300.00 RPM
TCC unlock high gear MPH 48.00 MPH
TCC unlock high gear RPM 900.00 RPM
Init for A/C on Steps 39.00
IAC Park Position 145.00
IAC Pk to Run Delay Sec's 0.00
Stall Saver RPM 450.00
Exit Stall Saver RPM 600.00
%TPS for Closed Throttle 1.95
Delay small error IAC retract 4.00
Delay large error IAC retract 2.00
Delay small error IAC extend 1.00
Delay large error IAC extend 0.00
RPM enable large error retract 50.00
RPM enable large error extend 25.00
Idle Error Tolerance (RPM) 0.00
DFCO IAC Steps added 30.00
IAC Kickdown Delay Timer 5.00
IAC Kickdown Steps 26.00
IAC steps subtracted Pk to Run 13.00
Max Retract IAC steps 145.00
Max RPM hot Pk/N 800.00
Low VSS filter Coef 144.00
Medium VSS filter Coef 88.00
High VSS filter Coef 32.00
IAC extend delay Low VSS (msec) 0.00
IAC extend delay High VSS (msec) 0.00
IAC Decay Coef (No DFCO) 8.00
DFCO IAC Decay Coef 224.00
Stall Saver IAC step decay coef 64.00
Low VSS thres 20.00 MPH
High VSS thres 40.00 MPH
Min IAC throttle follower steps (Hi VSS) 0.00
Min TPS% for throttle follower 0.00
Throttle Follower Pk/Nt 0.00 %
Throttle Follower in D 0.00 %

VE as % (FL1)

KPA RPM x 100
4 8 12 16 20 24 28 32
100 35.94 35.94 63.67 70.70 72.27 78.13 78.13 76.95
90 35.94 35.94 66.02 70.70 72.27 78.13 78.13 75.78
80 35.94 35.94 68.75 70.31 71.88 75.00 76.95 73.83
70 35.94 35.94 62.11 66.80 67.58 73.05 75.00 71.48
60 35.94 35.94 62.11 62.50 65.63 70.31 71.88 70.31
50 35.94 35.94 56.64 62.11 61.72 66.80 67.19 64.06
40 33.20 39.06 50.78 54.69 50.00 58.59 59.38 63.28
30 31.64 35.55 40.63 45.70 48.83 53.13 57.42 55.47
20 27.34 31.25 35.55 37.11 44.53 48.83 53.13 50.78


VE as % (FL2)

RPM %
(null)
6400 0.00
6000 3.13
5600 6.25
5200 9.38
4800 12.50
4400 15.23
4000 25.00
3600 33.98
3200 25.00
2800 25.00
2400 25.00
2000 25.00
1600 25.00
1200 25.00
800 25.00
400 25.00
0 25.00

am i missing something here? how are the injectors going static with less values?

 

The most accurate way of telling weither your going static, is by data logging.
Or building an ecm bench, and being able to run the .bin to see where you are.
I'm sure some around here, *could* do the math, but gads, that would be alot of work.

100% VE doesn't mean the injectors are static. It just means that the engine is inhaling the amount of air to fill the engine 100%.

 

copastedic brah....copastedic

 

copasetic?

 

bout ta get down wit da homies and break out da 40's an do sum editin on da PE AFR dig brah? i feel it is slightly off and its dampering my MPH in da quota
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and i cant get rid of that hidious sound of dragging coffee cans unda da car, i figure if i load it down wit petro i can mask it

 

the 4.3L injectors are 43 milli liters? or how ever they are rates lbs/hr i dunno
but the camaeo 5.0L injectors are 40, so they are smaller, thats y i moved to 4.3L ones, maybe i wrong but mostly right, right?

 

the problem is haus...is@ WOT from 4000 to 6000 rpms i get a drop on the 02 readings lets say 850 mv down to 700 mv at a steady rate, sometimes the 02 read blank like less dan 300 mv @ 5000 rpms, i cannot seem to straiten it out, it does run good @ 900 mv WOT though, what ive been trying for WOT is PE AFR setting it at various settings but i cant confirm that that is making it richer or leaner @ WOT at 4000 roms.
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unless i really am having that static problem

 

i have found various sized springs i have in da garage, and they are WAY stiffer than the stock fuel pressure spring GM uses in there TBI cars, im giving it serious thought to running 20-30 psi fuel pressure and just back off da maps a tad, hell i dunno, for a stock L03 with this large solid lifter camshaft, it sure is givin my WOT fits

 

i dont think the OEM fuel pump is *that* woose
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i suddenly have the feeling of being alone......thats when i hear da voices. Katchem and Kill'em

 

i cant katchem if da petro aint gettin to da mota brah. i need help. werde brah

 

'Nuff said

 

Thanks MOD. I thought this post was going somewhere, then it didn't. Besides when has a 4.3L been in a third gen? If people are gonna be guests, they should act like guests.

 

I have an 88 camaro that came with *279* injectors which acording to all the sites ive read, the 4.3L trucks cames with bigger injectors. I dont remember the number, possibly *203*but the sites told me 40 lbs/hr for the 5.0L and 43 lbs/hr for the 4.3L. Now, im not sure if my injectors were going *static* or something, but i do know that no matter how high i cranked the fuel maps it didnt make any difference on the 02 readings @ WOT. now, currently i used a massive spring in my fuel regulator and i had to turn the BPW way down so it wouldnt soot foul my spark plugs. i think now my tunning of the fuel maps will make a noticable difference, and i wont have to strangle my fuel injectors. and im still trying to figure out how to use ASYNC @ WOT. i know it turns on on deceleration between certain rpms. thank you

 

i will not be defeated.

 

The 5.0 has 55 lb/hr injectors in it. The 4.3 has 45 lb/hr injectors in it. The only 4.3 that has different flow rates are the HO 4.3 TBI in the Astro/Safari vans. They use 1 55 lb/hr injector and 1 61 lb/hr (350) injector. I have robbed many sets of them for 305/350 projects.

 

every site i goto says 5.0L injectors are 40 lbs/hr (this is the injector that comes in ALL 5.0L L03's Green/White 5.0L 40 43mm 5235279
MegaSquirt
http://www.diy-efi.org/gmecm/compone...injectors.html
Auto Techs Online

These injectors are rated at the pressure used by the factory, about 13 PSI Application Throttle bore size Injector color code Flow rate Part #
2.8l v6 1-3/8" Black/White ??? GM 5235430 *RPD
4.3L 1-13/16" Yellow/Blue ??? GM 5235203 *RPD
5.0L 1-13/16" Green/White 40 lb/hr GM 5235279 *RPD
5.7L pickup 1-13/16" Orange/Black 55 lb/hr GM 5235206 *RPD
5.7L Cop Car 1-13/16" Yellow/Brown 65 lb/hr 17084327-ACR
Late big block pickup 2" Blue/Black 80 lb/hr GM 1708430 *RPD
big block pickup 2" Dark Red/Dark Blue 90 lb/hr GM 5235231 *RPD


man how many more sites you want?

 

i definatly have 20 psi or more fuel pressure, had to set my BPW way down lol, from 148 to 109 lol
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now my MAF converted to MAP sparkmap can now take FULL effect.
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man i love to tune cars. ive been doing it for 20 years and i could do it 20 more

 

i never cease to amaze myself, i did quite alot to my L03's performance with very little and a lot of know how.

 

Unfortunately most of these values are incorrect. They all started at the same place: diy-efi, way back in 90-something, and have propagated all over the net. Funny how once something is posted not only does it endlessly propagate, it can never be corrected.

Hey, it's the Internet! How can it be wrong.

Many years ago I did a fairly complete ECU for the '747 ECM. There was errors in the 3D VE table. It was pivoted, and missing the 90 & 100 KPa rows. Do you know how many times I've posted corrections for that? And it still comes up and goofs people up. Even after releasing a new ECU, the old one is all over the place and everyones ignores the new one.

As for these injectors, the real values are:

5.0L 1-13/16" Green/White 55 lb/hr GM 5235279 *RPD
5.7L pickup 1-13/16" Orange/Black 61 lb/hr GM 5235206 *RPD
5.7L Cop Car 1-13/16" Yellow/Brown 65 lb/hr 17084327-ACR?
5.7L Cop Car 1-13/16" Yellow/Brown 68 lb/hr 17084327-ACR?

The yel/brn's came in two flow rates dependent upon the MY. Not sure of the etched numbers.

big block pickup 2" Dark Red/Dark Blue 81 lb/hr GM 5235231 *RPD

RBob.

 

cool dude cool, i think that 55's are plenty for what im doing, i always thought they were 40's and i wanted to toss them, the 4.3L tb i have runs different.....cant tell if its faster or slower, guess ill have to track it . now both have way higher fuel pressure, im fairly sure the origanal tb and 20 psi runs the best