need help :( noob
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Car: 89 WS6 formula firebird
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need help :( noob
i just bought the burn1 and gp1 or w/e from moates. and ive read things and all that, but im at a loss, i need someone 2 really help me with this, i need something with an easy to use interface, maybe i need a new program, but this sucks and im wanting to sell it all already and i havent had it for 3 hours.i dont under stand this "bin" but i believe its some sort of baseline file? but were do i get one? that fits my lb9 2.73 axel ratio, i probly need someone on yahoo,aol or msn messenger to help,
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Originally Posted by 89_fireform
i just bought the burn1 and gp1 or w/e from moates. and ive read things and all that, but im at a loss, i need someone 2 really help me with this, i need something with an easy to use interface, maybe i need a new program, but this sucks and im wanting to sell it all already and i havent had it for 3 hours.i dont under stand this "bin" but i believe its some sort of baseline file? but were do i get one? that fits my lb9 2.73 axel ratio, i probly need someone on yahoo,aol or msn messenger to help,
There's an steep intial learning curve.
Try slowly rereading the stickies, then ask questions. The basics have been covered so many times, that you just gotta take it on yourself to do the intial reading. Once you get some of the basics down, then it'll start to make sense.
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Car: 89 WS6 formula firebird
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well its starting to make sense. but im hearing about VATS? and i must disable it? what and how? and i heard about offsets? which do i use?
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You shouldn't have to worry about VATs as the '89s have it. Just to double check this look at your ignition key, it will have a small black thing in it with a contact on each side. That is what the VATs module reads.
As for offset your BIN is a 16 KB. Head over to moates.net and down a little on the left side. There is a link to a little chart of offsets. Pick your BIN size and the chip you are using for the proper burning offset.
RBob.
As for offset your BIN is a 16 KB. Head over to moates.net and down a little on the left side. There is a link to a little chart of offsets. Pick your BIN size and the chip you are using for the proper burning offset.
RBob.
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Car: 89 WS6 formula firebird
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ya ok i got the chip in my key, ive got the bin and all that figured out, but now my car wont start with thie chip, i hear the fuel pump loudly, and it wont stop, its like drowning my car, the car turns over like normal but it wont idle
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I'm not sure of what you are saying. It won't start, then it won't idle.
An important test is to watch the SES light at key-on (do not crank the engine).
At key-on the SES light should come on briefly, blink off, then come on solid. If it doesn't come or, or it doesn't blink off, then the ECM is not running from the chip.
Also, at key-on engine-off the fuel pump should only run for 2 seconds then stop. If the FP keeps running then either there is a wiring issue, the oil pressure override switch is bad, or the ECM is bad.
RBob.
An important test is to watch the SES light at key-on (do not crank the engine).
At key-on the SES light should come on briefly, blink off, then come on solid. If it doesn't come or, or it doesn't blink off, then the ECM is not running from the chip.
Also, at key-on engine-off the fuel pump should only run for 2 seconds then stop. If the FP keeps running then either there is a wiring issue, the oil pressure override switch is bad, or the ECM is bad.
RBob.
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Car: 89 WS6 formula firebird
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well, i will test and tell you what happens on friday, but the ecm is working, i can take out the moates adapter and chip and use stock prom, car runs and drives normal. but when i put in the chip/adapter it acts up.
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You might just want to re-burn the chip, sometimes they don't program cprrectly (rare, but it happens). What differences are there between your stock prom and the burned chip?
(FYI - you can use TunerPro to show you the differences in them)
(FYI - you can use TunerPro to show you the differences in them)
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not really, you need to change your injector constant,
plus change the cooling fan input,
also you should really log your car cause thats an aggressive bin for your 305
just noticed your auto, thats a stick bin, ARAP would be a better starting bin,
plus change the cooling fan input,
also you should really log your car cause thats an aggressive bin for your 305
just noticed your auto, thats a stick bin, ARAP would be a better starting bin,
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Originally Posted by 89_fireform
set them to what?
I read stuff in here for about year before I bought my chip burner and I'm still a rookie by far,
takes alot of reading and learning
start comparing 350 and 305/ camaro and corvette bins, find out what different stuff means
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From: Margate, FL
Car: 89 WS6 formula firebird
Engine: 305 TPI :(
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
ok my stock prom has a sticker says "delco APYR 3506" when i burn apyp or arap 6e i dont hear my fuel pump? switched the VATS on and off? what now?
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Either the ECM, the FP relay, the chip/MEMCAL adapter, or the wiring is foo___.
VATS has nothing to do with the FP running at key-on.
RBob.
VATS has nothing to do with the FP running at key-on.
RBob.
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