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Old May 30, 2001 | 06:02 AM
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ARAP bin - Some Q:s...

I have an '89 IROC with a 350 TPI, 700R4 in it, what changes do I need to make to the ARAP bin before I can try it out?

I've read something about the fan switches being inverted, can someone please help me straighten this out?

What would be a good starting point, I already have all prom burning equipment and a spare chip carrier for the ecm....

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Old May 30, 2001 | 09:17 AM
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Can someone at least give me a few hints to get me started on this?
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Old May 30, 2001 | 09:55 AM
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What i would do personally would be to put a 180stat in, and then run the arap with the scanner hooked up so you can watch EVERYTHING thats going on.

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Old May 30, 2001 | 10:06 AM
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TunerCat's 6E.TDF now has the "Normal Operation Fan Switch" availble as part of its "Switches". Just select it and it will make the Fans work properly on the ARAP BIN.
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Old May 30, 2001 | 12:24 PM
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I thought that the fan switch was only a problem when running the 6E code in an '87 or '88. Since you have an '89, that should be a non-issue. I'd check it to be sure, though.

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Old May 30, 2001 | 12:27 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Glenn91L98GTA:
TunerCat's 6E.TDF now has the "Normal Operation Fan Switch" availble as part of its "Switches". Just select it and it will make the Fans work properly on the ARAP BIN.</font>
"Normally Open", not "Normal Operation", FYI

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Old May 30, 2001 | 12:28 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by P J Moran:
"Normally Open", not "Normal Operation", FYI

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Disregard this. I hit reply instead of edit (by mistake)...

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Old May 30, 2001 | 02:06 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by P J Moran:
I thought that the fan switch was only a problem when running the 6E code in an '87 or '88. Since you have an '89, that should be a non-issue. I'd check it to be sure, though.
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So basically I could just burn the plain ARAP.bin image to start with (Since my IROC is an '89) and then have a look at the computer data with a scanner and see what I might need to modify?

Just trying to make sure I don't do any stupid mistakes.... But I guess will know abot the fan issue pretty quick if it's the wrong flag set....

About prom editors, which one is to prefer - I know of a least three different ones (Tunercat, Winbin and GMEpro)...?

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Old May 30, 2001 | 11:05 PM
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I have an 89 IROC 350 700R4 the same as yours. I'm running the ARAP bin and I had to change the fan tun on request to normally open for it to work. Just a thought!!!!!

Thanks again for the help............you know who!!
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Old May 31, 2001 | 12:18 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Like a ROC 89:
I have an 89 IROC 350 700R4 the same as yours. I'm running the ARAP bin and I had to change the fan tun on request to normally open for it to work. Just a thought!!!!!

Thanks again for the help............you know who!!
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Thanks.... Which editor did you use?
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Old May 31, 2001 | 01:22 AM
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Old May 31, 2001 | 02:17 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Like a ROC 89:
Tunercat</font>
Do you know which byte contains the fan flag, because I'd like to try running the ARAP chip "as-is" before I try to narrow down what I need to do to it, and for the moment Winbin has all the options I need except for the fan-inversion flag....?
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Old May 31, 2001 | 04:44 AM
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The control for the "Normal Operation" of the fan is a "bit switch". You alter a single bit on a byte. I do not use Winbin so I cannot tell you how to handle this in Winbin.

As someone else mentioned, it affects ALL MAF cars, including 1989s. The car I installed it on was a 1989 and it had to this problem also.
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Old May 31, 2001 | 06:25 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Glenn91L98GTA:
The control for the "Normal Operation" of the fan is a "bit switch". You alter a single bit on a byte. I do not use Winbin so I cannot tell you how to handle this in Winbin.

As someone else mentioned, it affects ALL MAF cars, including 1989s. The car I installed it on was a 1989 and it had to this problem also.
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Is there any chance you could provide me with a copy of the original ARAP.bin with this flag set so that I can compare it and locate the byte that this bit is part of?

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Old May 31, 2001 | 11:01 AM
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The bit is also defined in the <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3rd-gen/files/89v4.ecu">89v4.ecu</A> file that's available from the yahoo third gen site.

You can use this file with winbin. A simple bit editor won't do the job for you as you also have to calculate a new checksum for the bin.

Here's the relevant ecu data:

/* Item 5: AC N/O - N/C pres switch */
{
/*startAddr =17,
/*columns =1,
/*rows =1,
/*elementSize =1,
/*bitMask =80,
/*offset =0,
/*mulOrDivOrBit =0,
/*factor =1,
/*map_name =A/C Pressure Switch Specification Byte,
/*ylabel =Option,
/*yaxis =b0 b1 b2 b3 b4 N/O P/S b7,
/*xlabel =Enabled,
/*xaxis = ,,
};

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Old Jun 1, 2001 | 03:13 AM
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Thanks, now I think I've got everything straightened out.

Will get back with some reults after experimenting a bit..... That fan thing was a bit annoying
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