hey, just got flash and burn, a g1 adapter wit zif and two 27sf512 chips.
i've been trying to figure this out all weekend, whenever i use the adapter with a burned chip my car acts like it has a bad memcal i.e. it runs like crap, if you give it gas the rpms drop, unless you give it steady slow gas and then it still runs like a**, is barely driveable, has a steady SES and i can't get an aldl reading to see what it is, also cannot get my codes via paperclip untill i plug my stock memcal back in at which point the car is fine and runs just like it always did....

its an 87 gta, l98 with an ABWT tune stock, i've run stock ABWT's i downloaded, as well as an ARAP tune just for the hell of it.

i'm pretty sure the problem is in the process of burning the chip itself but im about to check the resistance on all the pins in the adapter as well, i've double checked the offsets against that listed on moates documentation, and it is supposedly correct and matches my own settings for a 16 kb bin. any opinions or help would be most appreciated as im wating to get to tuning my car

 

seems like every post i search for these chips or the adapter has this problem,, how do i narrow it down to the adapter exclusively? i've loaded and unloaded bins to the chip and checked them in tuner pro and it's fine.

 

the thing i would guess, is that the bin definition file doesnt match. the ARAP has to have the 6E mask/definition file loaded up. otherwise it will be all kinds of messed up. i figured that out one way or another haha

 

what he said... or its in backwards --- got me.

 

ohhh hoh wait a minute,, okay i wondered about that for a long time but never saw any mention of it in other arap related posts, how do you upload the mask? does it go in with the bin? i haven't seen anything about that at all!

as far as chip orientation, its notch is facing the zif handle on the programmer, and is facing the nearest edge of the adapter, away from the netres when installed in the car.

i took it to an electronics shop, pulled my ecm in the parking lot and took it in, was hoping they could just solder the zif onto my memcal but they said they couldn't so i'm SOL currently with all my burning equipment and a bad adapter it seems... it's soo damn frustrating

 

also make sure when burning the chip, the notch is toward the handle but chip needs to be all the way down away from the handle.

 

oh one other thing along the lines of mismatched definition fils and bins, how different is 32b from 32? the two abwt's i've downloaded both said 32 in the name, not 32b, but 87 and up should have 32b right? the one is labled as a 88trans am file so it should definately be 32b but it says 32 as well. could a tune like abwt have been made in 32 and 32b variations and would that cause my problem?

 

im not sure if i can explain this properly as i don't understand code, 6E is the mask, its in the bin, which is why you need the correct bin & ALDL definition files.

i don't know if this will work with 6E or not, but instead of messing with the offsets when you burn a chip, try stacking the bin in TunerPro & then burn the stacked image to the chip.

 

the offset usually gets first timers unless they've lurked for a good while.
The adapter usually isn't the problem. Just the zif from being cycled countless times. But ocassionally an adapter problem does pop up. Usually from people that solder there own stuff up.
You'll want to read up on your hardware & TP at the sites you got them from. All the info is there.

 

the offsets hammered me when i started, they still do sometimes. so i usually just stack the bins & not have worry if i got them right.

Z69, i was wondering, did you get my last email?

 

ya, just forgot to respond...

 

no problem

 

well, i've seen things about the stacking and such before, i'll read up and try that. now as far as masks, it makes sense that you need a def. file to read a bin, my understanding was it was a file that tells tp whats what in the bin. now i can look at arap with 6e in tp, and i can look at abwt with 32b in tp, but how do i burn arap to an eeprom and have it work in my car? is it just a matter of burn it and install? and i'm not asking as in the CSI disablement, but rather, my first time using the ARAP code what do i have to do mask wise to make it work, or is it just burn arap and go? i'm going to read up on stacking right now thanks.

 

okay, i set the chip size/block size to 64 kb, put abwt into the input files position, set bin size to 16k, out put it to abwtx2. hit stack, it says succesfull, then i open that file to look at it, and i have all zero's, what the crap is that right? i'm starting to get a bit annoyed, bout to try a chip stacked in this manner because i still believe the adapter to be the problem.

in the event that i am correct and this stacked chip doesn't work,, how do i test the adapter, can i use a DVOM to do it and how? off to beat my head against my passenger dash again

 

to use arap, just load the correct XDF & ALDL definition files, & burn it.
actually, to just burn it, i don't think you need to load the definition files, just load the bin into the buffer & burn it, but i think its best to have the right def files loaded anyway.

as far as i know, you can't look at the stacked file.

its been sometime sense i setup for burning chips other than the 29F040B with 32k bins.
i may be wrong on this, if so someone please correct me, i think you set chip size to 256 kb & the block size to 16kb, then fill all positions, stack & burn.
the stacked file should be equal to the number of bins you stacked x bin size, i.e., 16 bins stacked that are 16kb each comes to 256.

 

offsets didn't work. car ran on netres, i took the damn chip out and it made no difference the car still ran with a nice fat ses light. if someone tells me to read another doc ima freak out, i've read for hours and posted and experimented for another sum odd hours with no change or success. so what gives?
im about to call moates since he hasn't answered my email in three days. maybe he can shed some light.

and i've also done tests with and without zifs so that ain't it

 

awww freaking beautifull there is no number on moates site, just the email.. and according to the RMA thing, i'm up the crick anyways since you have to add that to the order in order to get the benefits of getting what you payed for and i did not...

well i've been on square on since i ordered, recieved, and tried to use this equipment what a friggen headache

 

the learning curve for this is pretty steep.
i read pretty much every sticky here, some more than once before i bought my stuff.
after i got my stuff, i read most of them again. then i started playing.
i also went back to the first post made here in DIY-PROM & started reading,
it took me months to get through them all.
after about 3 years, im still coming back to read the stickies.


are these the offsets you tried when you burned a single bin to the chip?
Chip Start - End 00C000 - 00FFFF
Buffer Start - End 000000 - 003FFF

if you stack, those offsets won't work.

also, it looks like i was wrong on the chip size it looks like it should be set to 64kb, like i said, i haven't messed with the 512 chips in a long time.

 

when i used the stacker, it changed the offsets to something else, i don't recall what they were, when burning a single bin i used the settings you noted above. when i was stacking, i had the switch block size set to 64, the chip size at 64, and the bin size at 16. anyone in the cleveland area, want a twelve pack to try yourself?

i've been lurking for a good long while and this profile is the latest, i've been on tgo since about, 2001 under various names. i appreciate your help.

 

Hi Rockit,

I just sent you a PM with my contact info, I'm looking forward to walking you through the details. I think we should be able to have you up and running in about 5 minutes with the correct procedures.

 

i don't have a pm from you mr.moates?

 

I sent you a pm moates, asking for one back, so whichever you see first, this post or my pm, please get in touch soon. i have the next few days off, so hopefully it's user error and not equipment failure cause i want to get tuning!

 

Rockit,

Did you get this figured out yet, just got my burn 1 yesterday and seen to have the same problem burning to the chip.

 

no, it's been over a week with no reply to my direct email to moates, and three days since he said he would give me contact info via pm, which i never recieved. im about to send another email via his website and see if i get a reply. whats yours doing?

 

I know Graig has been updating his website, I tryed to order the burn1 last week
I email him direct graig@ and he replyed back about the e-mail and web site not yet working up to par.

I just have not been able to burn to a chip, more then likely just user error on my part, not setting the offset right or something.

I can load the bin to my Ostrich and it works just fine, But would like to move it to a chip.

 

lucky you, at least you can make adjustments.. can you take your chip out of the zif? i can while the car is running. i really hope it's user error on my part, i'll take humiliation and being able to tune now over being legitimately angry and waiting another couple of weeks. i have almost 300 dollars worth of plastic in my console and all i can do is datalog.
whats the problem? it acts like the chip isn't there even though the offsets have been triple checked and the burner verifies the buffer and chip match. i know i'm putting the chip in there the right way, it's just frustrating as hell to have the hole in my account where my money was, have the equipment and do the r&d to get it working to have it spit in my face.
i'm going to the junkyard today and with any luck i'll get a spare ecm or maybe just a memcal that i can hack up with the zif on board so that i can narrow it down to the burning or the adapter as the problem.also going to try another ecm for s&g's

wish me luck,

 

well, it wasn't my fault afterall..

 

I take it you found the problem, care to share what it was?