Ideal high rpm/map VE table numbers
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Ideal high rpm/map VE table numbers
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Ok all, I had a few other posts right at the top talking about my WBo2 woes. So Today I was playing around with the car again. I am way rich at WOT, from 2800 rpm up to shift, approx 5500 rpm. I'm talking 10.8 afr to 11.5 afr. So in an effort to lean it out, I am dropping the VE tables. I am down to 84, 85, 86 at like 3200 rpm to 4800 rpm, then dropping off to 84 @ 6000. using an vafpr, my bpc for 0 VAC is 72, FP is 22psi WOT.
My question here is, is there an ideal limit for the VE table numbers, i.e, should I try and keep the upper RPM/VAC in the 90's?
I know I read a few times about finding a good BPC, setting it and forgetting it. I think I got my table good in all the low RPM/MAP areas, but as I am tuning WOT, I keep dropping the VE there. I have a feeling I will be at around 79 or 80. Is this OK?
Also, is there a formula to figure out the VE number I should plug in using the logged afr, say currently a 11.9 with an 84 VE, but I want to get 12.8, what should the VE be?
And if I do need to drop the BPC, to get the VE table numbers up, is there a formula for that. Say I had 72 BPC at 0 VAC, 4800 rpm, 84 VE. I drop the BPC to 70, do I guess what to put in the 4800 rpm cell. I know it will be a bigger number, but is the a way to figure it out or just guess the log it? Is it a global change?
Sorry for the silly questions, just trying to save some time. I've been driving around with a WB that is NFG, and I have been wondering all this time if I was lean or rich, it seemed rich, but I couldn't really tell. I have a almost 10:1 vortec headed 350 with a decent cam, built after the GM vortec 330, so this is why the FP is cranked up and the 90 PPH injectors are on it.
Ok all, I had a few other posts right at the top talking about my WBo2 woes. So Today I was playing around with the car again. I am way rich at WOT, from 2800 rpm up to shift, approx 5500 rpm. I'm talking 10.8 afr to 11.5 afr. So in an effort to lean it out, I am dropping the VE tables. I am down to 84, 85, 86 at like 3200 rpm to 4800 rpm, then dropping off to 84 @ 6000. using an vafpr, my bpc for 0 VAC is 72, FP is 22psi WOT.
My question here is, is there an ideal limit for the VE table numbers, i.e, should I try and keep the upper RPM/VAC in the 90's?
I know I read a few times about finding a good BPC, setting it and forgetting it. I think I got my table good in all the low RPM/MAP areas, but as I am tuning WOT, I keep dropping the VE there. I have a feeling I will be at around 79 or 80. Is this OK?
Also, is there a formula to figure out the VE number I should plug in using the logged afr, say currently a 11.9 with an 84 VE, but I want to get 12.8, what should the VE be?
And if I do need to drop the BPC, to get the VE table numbers up, is there a formula for that. Say I had 72 BPC at 0 VAC, 4800 rpm, 84 VE. I drop the BPC to 70, do I guess what to put in the 4800 rpm cell. I know it will be a bigger number, but is the a way to figure it out or just guess the log it? Is it a global change?
Sorry for the silly questions, just trying to save some time. I've been driving around with a WB that is NFG, and I have been wondering all this time if I was lean or rich, it seemed rich, but I couldn't really tell. I have a almost 10:1 vortec headed 350 with a decent cam, built after the GM vortec 330, so this is why the FP is cranked up and the 90 PPH injectors are on it.
Re: Ideal high rpm/map VE table numbers
I assume the WB is free air calibrated and the A/F it shows are accurrate. I believe my LM-1 is very accurrate. I think I calibrate it once a month but dont see it waver much.
Since you have more than adequate fueling I would consider dropping the fuel pressure a bit and reset the BPC and see what that does to PE A/F. What is the duty cycle at WOT? I am running 80 lbs at 18-19 lbs FP and seeing low 12's for WOT PE A/F commanded to 12.7/1 last time I ran WOT. Now there are not many places I can run WOT safely.
Since you have more than adequate fueling I would consider dropping the fuel pressure a bit and reset the BPC and see what that does to PE A/F. What is the duty cycle at WOT? I am running 80 lbs at 18-19 lbs FP and seeing low 12's for WOT PE A/F commanded to 12.7/1 last time I ran WOT. Now there are not many places I can run WOT safely.
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Re: Ideal high rpm/map VE table numbers
I assume the WB is free air calibrated and the A/F it shows are accurrate.
)I have the FP jacked up to 22/23 psi WOT in anticipation of forced induction after the summer. I've been working with this high FP and haven't had any idle or part throttle issues whatsoever, that I didn't tune out that is. It's just I wanted to be sure my high rpm/map ve can be in the low 80's. I don't want the computer to have brainfarts on me because it should be in the 90's.

MY DC was about 86-89%, but that was with a 10.9:1 AFR.
Here is where I am at, and I am still rich at the top end.
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