I just bought a APU1 from moates. Does this work just as good or better then the Dynamic EBL system? I just noticed that one and wondering if I made a good choice. It appears the EBL is cleaner setup but then only car specific. The APU1 will work with any GM pre 96?

Also any good links to external sites for how to learn about tuning and how to use moates? the TunerCat website was pretty limited.

 

Little more info. I have an 88 IROC LB9 auto. No crazy plans. Just like to start with headers gear fuel injectors CAI and wideband to dial it in then add cam and new intake. I will eventually swap out out to 355 and HSR with heads. So is moates as good and as much control as EBL?

 

I have an EBL P4 Flash, 3 wire to switch on the ECM.... so yes, a cleaner setup... plus it Also has options for boost, Nitrous, wideband O2, etc... I know the Moates does wideband O2, not sure it does boost / Nitrous options... If you're just going to tune your car and need boost / nitrous options, EBL for sure... If you plan on making chips for various cars, then Moates... I'm very happy with my EBL and the service from them.

Rafael

 

Dam I might have gotten the wrong one
Well I can run Nitrous on my setup but just have ot figure the fuel tables myself. Where EBL might have some easier templates to start with.

 

I see your in Tampa? Cool I am in clearwater. What have you done to the TPI? I have the 305 and if it runs good after gets back from shop I will just probably do lt1 or zz4 cam or comp cam headers hsr and play with it.

 

If you are determined to burn your on Eeproms you can allways .bin stack

 

Well the APU1 allows me to burn proms, what is .bin stack

 

Just to be sure there is no confusion, the EBL systems are speed density (SD) and requires a MAP sensor. On a MAF car the EBL Flash ECM is easier to install. Just move a handful of terminals/pins, wire in the MAP via the MAF wires, and plug it in.

Using the EBL P4 Flash ECM in a MAF car requires adding a third connector and moving nearly all of the terminal/wires in the connectors.

The MAF may stay in place but is not used.

luvofjah's car was already a SD and used the same ECM that the EBL P4 system uses. The 3 wires he mentioned are added as it is the pigtail/connector for the USB comm cable.

RBob.

 

Cool, so I can make my MAF system a MAP system by swapping the MAF for the MAP and that's it? Just upload a new bin and start tuning. I like the simplicity of a SD over the MAF.

SO what is the cost from scratch for my 88? What do I need to buy to make it work? I can probably call Moates and see if he would cancel order or return.

 

Bin stacking is adding more than one binary file. you will need a switcher to go between the .bins. look at the moates G3.

 

I bought the moates G1, APU1 and the HDR

 

Not with the stock $32b code/mask. There is an Aussie '808 ECM code that runs in the '7165 that supports a MAP sensor. One downside is that it doesn't support 8192 baud ALDL, only 160 baud.

I can't post prices as I am not a sponsor. You will need the EBL Flash ECM with the Port Mod, and if your laptop doesn't have a serial port the USB to Serial adapter cable. You can check out this stuff on our web site (lots of good info there).

RBob.

 

Thanks OK I checked it out makes sense. So for my 88 the APU1 is not a bad and simpler setup keeping the maf. It just arrived so I might as well try it. It has great reviews on his web site. Both seem like great products.

 

I am in Seminole (closer than Tampa!), 91 305 TPI with 5 speed, Pro 5.0 Shifter, upgraded suspension, jet hot coated Hooker 2055's, etc...

Rafael

 

How you like the Headers? You have stock intake and cam gear?

 

Headers are great, spend the extra $$$ on ceramic coating, it makes them last longer, plus everything else under the hood since it keeps the temps a lot cooler than stock / non coated...

Ported / polished plenum, K&N TPI Filter, stock Cam, but on the 5 speed ones for that year, they had the more aggressive 350 cam... my neighbor has an IROC, 89 Vert, 5.0 TPI auto too..

Rafael

 

Probably easier to PM But I am looking at similar setup. I know on my 305Auto the cam sucks. Not sure if worth swapping in a LT1. If I can not pull the heads off and put a zz4 in with new springs I might do that. but I do not want a huge cost into a the 305 given 100k+ miles I rather work around it then do a 355.

I have the 2.73. How do you run with your neighbor auto? And with your setup as is (or his with auto) how do you guys still run with modern v6 or v8? Given the tpi torque for moist street redlight events I would hope you still pull hard and on most v6/v8 1-2gears and by then its over anyway on regular streets what about midrange 30mp+ rolls?

 

I assume you have a tune as well? EBL or Moates? Did you notice improvement from your setup before after tune?

 

My 91 Formula 5 speed had 3.42 rear end gears, originally had the dual cat option, but now 3" Flowmaster single in / single out... other mods, air foil, throttle body bypass, MSD Digital box, coil, wires, cap / rotor, Global West Delrin A arm bushings, all sorts of suspension stuff, spohn SFC, Wonderbar, STB, many poly bushings for engine, trans, end links, sway bar bushings, bilstein struts and shocks, replaced springs, aftermarket lower control arms and panhard bar.... night and day difference from stock... I got a set of Alston's waiting to be put in too.. My neighbor says mine is faster (I'm sure he's right), since his is convertible with no suspension mods, only engine mods are headers on his...

I replaced a lot of stuff at once, car was not running good... got Southbay Fuel injectors, new O2 sensor and Ebl put in together... it idles very smooth and is a lot of fun... though i don't have any red light to red light stories to share...

Battery and starter just went out, new battery is in, new starter still in the box... car is under construction, but runs good


Rafael

 

I will get my car runnign but with all the 5sp or t56 love I see on here and good for another .5-1sec in the quarter I might swap lol. Sounds like you have a great club car. SO it drives strong though? With all the torque and 5 speed it doesn't feel slow on the street or passing or getting on hiway?
what about interior and audio? Any pics?

 

I still need to do some VE Learns to fine tune it, and i'v left the timing stock for the time being... interior is stripped out except for the 2 front seats... yes, planning audio, stereo, alarm (installed), PC, etc... inside is all sound deadening filled

Exterior is pretty much ready for paint...

here is a recent pic...

 

My Project

 

My EBL-P4 install, pictures included...

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/powe...d-305-a-4.html