Continued computer functionality w/ elec. speedo swap

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Mar 4, 2002 | 10:30 PM
  #1  
I have an 85 T/A with a cable driven speedo. I read the tech article at http://www.hioutput.com/tech/speedo.html Am I correct in the fact that there is a vss on the back of my speedo? If so, can I use the tranny mounted vss that goes to my electric style speedo to run to the computer so it has its needed input. By the way I have an lg4. Well sort of an lg4. It is now a computer controlled 350 running off of the lg4 computer. I notice the brown wire outputs on the buffer box. I was wondering if they generate the same signal as the lg4 computer needs from the cable driven vss?

Thanks

Ben
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Mar 5, 2002 | 08:44 PM
  #2  
This kinda goes with this post but not really but is there any way to usea ADLA scanner to read a cpu controlled carb computer? I know they don't use reprogramable proms so I guess you can't swap in programmable one and mess with these cpu's
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Mar 5, 2002 | 10:19 PM
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your 85 and all the computer 4bbl cars have a 2 pulse VSS which is built into the back of the speedo. The signal goes to a buffer box which splits off to the ecm and to the cruise. If you are using the elec. speedo, the factory ones in 90-92 should be running off a 4 pulse signal. But... I think on the earlier bird elec speedos, they feed the ecm a 2 pulse signal somehow because all the MAF ecm's requre 2 pulse. So... start figuring out how they did that on the 89 'birds and you should be good.

HTH
Matthew
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Mar 5, 2002 | 10:38 PM
  #4  
If the speedo located vss sends a 2 pulse that is just what I wanted to here. The way that they do that is there is a little buffer box that converts it from 4 to 2. I think its that way around. Either way, I can send either 2 or four pulse because I have the buffer box. I just need to find out for sure whether it comes from the tranny as 2 or 4. Come to think of it, I think it comes from the tranny as 2 and then is converted to 4 by the box so that the speedo will run right. Anyway, I know I can find it on the tpi board. I have seen it there before, I just didnt know what the comp for the lg4 required.

Ben
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Mar 6, 2002 | 07:51 PM
  #5  
the speedo mounted vss is optical 2 pulse, the tranny mounted is a magnetic 4 pulse, need to change the bin in order to switch. cheers, Bob
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Mar 6, 2002 | 07:57 PM
  #6  
On the older tranny mounted ones there was a buffer that converted it ether from 4 to 2 pulse or 2 to 4, I dont remember which. It is done in the computer instead of having a seperate buffer or something like that in the new ones. So, does the magnetic vs optical make a difference or just the pulse per revolution? I dont think that there is software out there to reprogram the comp controlled carb computers is there?

Ben
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Mar 6, 2002 | 10:39 PM
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I am sort of confused by the opening question/topic. What follows is based on the assumption that the car originally had only an optical (IR w/ green box behind speedo). If you stick your head under the dash with a flashlight you will see the green box near the speedo or at least a red wire and a green wire coming off the speedo. If this it true, then your ECM is looking for a 2000 pulse per mile (ppm) signal. That is all the optical sensor outputs.
If you want to install an electric speedo in the car, AND the transmission does not have a magnetic pulse generator (4000 ppm) installed you will need a special unit. If you do have this already installed then you need to attach the yellow and purple wires to the "buffer" box. Attach the green/black wire to the speedo (4000 ppm I think) and the brown (2000 ppm) wire to the computer.
Restate exactly what you have and what you are trying to convert to if all of this seems unclear. As I said, I am not sure what it is exactly you are trying to do and what is already in the car.
Hope this helps.
Cheers,
J
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Mar 6, 2002 | 11:28 PM
  #8  
Thank you, you have answered my questions, and i have the little green box. I am converting to an electric speedo.
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