...That guy who didn't want to burn chips one step at a time when there was on-board tuning software available???

The guy who was tuning his Honda from a laptop while he drove along...

I was hoping he had that program ready for testing...

I'm about ready to resume my L98 tuning and I could really use that drive-and-tune program...

...Not that I mind doing my tuning one step at a time...But if the riceburner peeps are tuning their cars in real time, I want in on that...

 

Hahahaha!

 

Yep, nothing like feature creep

So your flying down the road typing away on changing timing and AFR, so which hand are you writing down notes with?. How do you tell you've actually learned insomething before you make a change.

You need lots of patience, and talent to do on the fly stuff.

Like all tools you need to learn how to get the most out of it, and sometimes an easy answer ain't the right one.
I've watched some guys try to dial in a $3K aftermarket ecm, and in 2 mins they had things so twisted around they had no clue of where they had started ot gotten too.

 

That guy might have bought an aftermarket ECM. If you are interested in real-time tuning I would look at the ECM board. There probably is more information there on real-time tuning.
J

 

He was really hopped-up there for awhile. I figured he'd change the game the way he was talking. Was really looking forward to seeing their fruits.

 

I did some hunting for a real time tunable ECU for our cars.. and haltech makes one.. hella expensive though, and they are VERY hard to get tuned correctly unless you are an expert... out of my league ATM, that's for sure.

 

I dunno about you guys, but I have a hard enough time watching the data being collected while driving. I couldn't imagine trying to change a table while driving....

 

My 1st thought.. The F&F.. Anyone else? LOL

 

This is why you need friends that you can trust. I could definatly see on the fly tuning being for even the begginer. I would sit in the passenger seat and work from there while a buddy drives. It's a PITA with slow data stream but with the faster baud rates you could watch everything without having to look at the driving. The TPS, map, engine rpm and vehicle speed tell you 98% of what the driver is doing! So with that in mind, you could monitor the BLM, INT, O2 values, and MAP readings to better understand what the motor wants. It would also be extreamly accurate so long as you don't tell the driver what changes you've made, only ask him/her for feedback.
I agree 100% that there is no benifit to driving AND tuning, choice one or do neither. I would hate to be on the road with a guy tuning his import from the drivers seat while watching a DVD on his flashy indash video player AND talking to a buddy on his cell phone. That's about as bad as playing chicken with a drunk driver!

 

I do on the fly tuning on the 165 and 730 , its a hoot but you either have to do it on a proper dyno OR ( and I always recommend AND on the road) on the road . I always get my other half to drive - we still get on quite well - and I make careful changes store that data then move on to the next point.

You cant do it like in the rice flick "fast and furious" safely

You also have to be very careful and methodical on what you are doing BUT the one great advantage is that if you get it wrong you can instantly reverse the change , unlike if you have burnt a prom and you have to gingerly drive home to burn another.
You can quickly destroy a motor but with slow considered changes it is as safe as off line tuning. Hell I can make a stuff up and give the calibration 20 deg too much timing in a hex calibration as I can on a on the fly one.

Dont bother with the Haltech as it is primitive in comparison to what we have in our GM ECM's and definalty not worth the dollars in my opinion. If you are only worried about wide open throttle then any form of injection will be ok but there is nothing like OEM drivability.

And no I wasnt the guy who developed the on the fly or even sell it but I have really enjoyed using it for the last 4 years. I enjoyed it so much that in that time I have worked out how to program in hex - something I never thought was possible when I bought this tool 4 years ago. And I am slowly teaching myself to do a disassembly so I have a better understanding how the code is working rather than just tuning cars "blind"

 

So what are you using, the Calmaker software?

BW

 

Yes I do use kalmaker as well as playing with tunercat and winbin , lt1edit and any other tools I can find to help expand my hobby of chip tuning.
:lala:

 

...As do we all...

What ECM and car do you have? I'm curious...

(Actually, I'm dying to know what & how you're tuning on the fly...)

 

There is another way to learn about PROM tuning besides buying all of the equipment you can get your hands on. There are a few disassemblies that a really smart guy wrote years ago for the more popular ECMs. If you read through them you can learn just as much (propably more) than using a trial and error method with all kinds of software.
The code is commented very well. It is really a preferrence thing. Some people like to learn by trial and error, and some like to learn by knowing how things were designed to work.
J

 

Wow, even in the absence of the referenced party the discussion degenerates.

 

...As do we all...
What ECM and car do you have? I'm curious
(Actually, I'm dying to know what & how you're tuning on the fly...)

I have a variety of toys

69 Firebird
455 Custom Thottle body Fuel injection
165/808 map software $5D

92 Holden Commodore
355 Holden Twin Throttle fuel injection
450hp @ wheels
11.3 et
165/808 map $5A software

94 Holden Commodore
355 Holden Supercharged
165/808 map $5D

I tune some of these on the fly using Kalmaker - try seaching for kalmaker.com and it will give you a rundown on the system and how to tune on the fly .
I only bought it cause it made my prom burning more efficient and I could experiment with all the stuff the GM engineers put in the software and learn how it worked by seeing a instant change in the engine or drivability. Neat to add play around with stuff like transiant idle steps and see how it affects drivability and stalling with big cams.




as well as friends cars I play on

56 Chev ute
350 TPI Chev
730 8D software

92 landcruiser
350 LT1 CHEV
8051 $EE software

Range Rover
350 LT1 Chev
165/808 map $12 Software

For these I use mostly tunercat software and lots of datalogging

These are the stuff I play with regularly plus customers cars ranging from Blown cars to Wild Streeters

:lala:

 

Cool!

I went to http://www.kalmaker.com.au and looked around; the kit looks very nice...

...But $1000 is way more than I can afford on a MacDonalds counter clerk salary...(pretty much equivalent to my gov't paycheck)...

Do you have a link to one of your Holdens??? I've never seen a Holden...(I'm in USA)...

 

...Cool, ain't it???...

 

...But $1000 is way more than I can afford on a MacDonalds counter clerk salary

Remember that its in AUS dollars which is worth jack s**t compare to the US dollar.
Your MacDonalds money is most probably more than I earn

I bought LT1 edit and that cost me a lot more than the Kalmaker stuff

On the fly is not essential just nice , get a copy of craigs software and a winbin definition for your car and you can tune it just fine.

 

It comes out to $530 US, plus shipping & handling & import duty from OZ...Still way too much...

 

I am the chap that started all the buzz about an emulator.If someone knows programming and want's to make a win32 type emulator let me know.I have great ideas but don't know the first thing about programming.I'm sure one of my ideas will work.If someone can help then we can do it.

 

Not to down you, but emulators have been around since the dawn of microprocessors. You don't have to build one. They are already available. These devices take quite a bit of time and thought to design. The high level thoughts are the easy part. The details are the hard part.
J