the electrical board has stopped looking at my thread, i have been bumping it for three days now with no responses?

i am looking for the fuse for the hatch pull down unit. i am told there is an inline fuse near the fuse panal. i have searched all around there. pleas somone.... a picture, a drawing, a diagram, type directions. anything. please..... i am pulling my hair out here.

 

If no one answers you by tomorrow, I'll trek out to my car and pull out the shop manual and let you know.

 

best thing i've got so far. thanks man.

 

The book does mention an inline fuse, but doesn't say where it is. The fuse for the hatch pull-down on the fuse block is labelled "lid". Here is a diagram showing the connector (C208). Let me know if this helps or not.

 

Hello xophertony,

I have to go out to the local boneyard tomorrow and they have two 86 firebirds sitting there. I will crawl in them and determine where that elusive in-line fuse is for you. It will only cost a six pack and you can help drink it

 

On my '90, the pull down motor uses the LID fuse (15 amp) which is located IN the fuse block.

The hatch release uses the ACC fuse (20 amp) and is also located in the fuse block, and also runs through the hatch release relay (location unknown).

 

trickster.. this is why you are now and will continue to be known as "the man" as in "your the man" not like "the MAN is always tryin' to keep me down" or "stickk it to the man". the good "the Man" so have i confused anyone yet?

oh, and camero junkie. your drawing, though thoughtful, was not what i was looking for, but thankyou

 

I have scanned in others if you know what you are looking for.

 

yes i do, there should be an inline fuse for the hatch release. atached to the wiring right up near the fuse pannel. but trickster is going to find it for me. hey thanks for going the extra mile.

 

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Who told you about this mystery fuse? I just looked at the entire hatch schematic and listed every fuse shown in my previous post.
There are no other fuses.

 

CaliCamaroRS,

Are you looking at a camaro schematic or a firebird schematic. On the camaros there are the two fuses that you have mentioned as I have also mentioned in a previous post. On the firebirds, it has been mentioned that there was a separate in-line fuse situated near the fuse panel that acted as the LID fuse in the camaro's

 

Yeah, i'm looking at my factory camaro manual. I didn't realize he had a firebird. That makes no sense that it would be different but i'm sure its possible.

 

There is a reference to an inline fuse, but I can't find where the fuse is.

 

Hello Xophertony,

To give you an area to look at, the wire going to the hatch release and pull down assembly from the lid fuse is red/white. In a post that lonsal made to your other thread on this, he mentions that the wires for the in-line fuse is red/white. That wire runs down the drivers side door sill to a 8 cavity connector beneath the left rear speaker. It comes down that big wire bundle under the left kick panel and then branches off with the speaker wires, fuel tank wires, rear defroster (if applicable) wire and a couple of others. Just find that red/white wire and follow it.

 

so, i found it! it was EXACTLY where it was suposed to be. but it was someplace i never would have checked, coming out of a think wrap of wires shrouded in electrical tape. and after i tore the entire interior off of the drivers side too.

i have atached an image so futer generations will be able to find this hing. i monkeyed with the brightnes to get it to work

EDIT: well it'sfour in the morning, and my maners are allready asleep. i would like to thank everyone who helped me find this thing. this board rules. but my fight is not over, now i must troubleshoot the real problem, since upon replacing the fuse i blew i still have a non functional unit.

 

Ok, I know this thread is really old but it can help me alot in diagnosing what is wrong with my pulldown... I cannot find my fuse, do you have any specific directions on where it is.. I have a firebird as well. I looked at a wiring diagram and all i saw was LID fuse none others

 

YES. i do. see the attached image above? the black weird looking thing at the bottom left is your hood release. that gives you a basic idea of where this is. and clearly your kick pannel must be removed. there is that thick bundle of wires in the upper middle-left of the image, it is tucked behind those.

when i found mine i followed the wire all the way from the back of the car, removing most of my interior in the process, before i found it. if i had just read what people were telling me . anyway, good luck. if you need a better picture i can get you one. i will be watching this thread.

EDIT. that think bundle of wires i was talking about, the wire actualy COMES OUT OF THAT. it is exiting through a gap in the tape. so if you grab hold of that bundle and feel around it with your hand you should be able to feel the wire and fuse holder. good luck. i am gonna go out and check for it on my 1988 GTA and see if it is in a different spot. if it is i will post up. my 88 is closer to your 91 then my 86 which this thread is about.

also, for the record it was the striker switch

 

I looked again, I even unwrapped the whole bundle of wires and I found the red wire with a white stripe and found that that only goes to my fuse box, what color wire is the ones going to the fuse? I cannot make out in the pic what they are, maybe red/ orange? The reason I think it might be the inline fuse is because when i got the car the person told me the motor was gone, so I just believed him and changed the motor from someone on the board who I trust and who I have bought from in the past, well i hooked his up and it still doesnt pulldown. the lid fuse is good so i dont know where else to look, i still have more searching to do but i figured the inline fuse would be a good place to start looking.
EDIT: I hooked up a DVOM to the red wire with a white stripe and a ground and i got 12Vs so maybe the fuse isnt blown... more research ahead

 

On your car, if you have found the "LID" fuse then you have found what you are looking for. "LID" = hatch.

 

Ok, thanks Trickster do you have any other suggestions as to what it can be? I thought I once saw a thread on here how to diagnose it but this new search makes it hard to find some of the good threads. If anyone knows where that thread is please send it my way.

 

There are two fuses that are in that system. The first is the "ACC" fuse which controls the hatch release switch. The second one is the "LID" fuse which controls the hatch pull down motor. You also have a hatch release relay and solenoid in the system.

 

There are 3 inline fuses at the starter,I was told that one of them works the hatch release.

 

Those are fusible links, not in-line fuses and have absolutely nothing to do with the hatch release other than supply power to the car from the battery through those links at the starter.

 

i don't think i ever checked my GTA....

 

Sorry Trickster,I was told that it was relateted to the starter some how.
thanks.Would that same inline fuse rune the dome light power mirrors hav fan andpower door locks also?

 

No. the fan is controlled by the "FAN" fuse while the other items that you mentioned are controlled by the "ACC" fuse. BTW. the "ACC" fuse is one of the two fuses in the hatch circuit. The other fuse for it would be the "LID" fuse and the location of it would vary depending on whether you have a firebird or camaro.

 

was talking about the heater fan.All the fuses in the fuse box are fine.I have a 91 Z28 where is mine located?
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I was talking about the heater fan.All the fuses in the fuse box are fine.I have a 91 Z28 where is mine located?

 

The heater fan is controlled by the "HTR A/C" fuse on your car. The hatch fuses on your car would be the "LID" fuse and it is located in the third slot in row one of the fuse panel. It is a 15 AMP fuse while the "ACC" fuse is located in the third slot on row three of the fuse panel and is a 20 AMP fuse. The "HTR A/C" fuse is located fourth slot of the second row on the fuse panel and is a 25 AMP fuse.

 

Trickster I first want to thank you for taking the time to help us and not getting angry because we keep asking questions.My fuses or fine is there a in line fuse that I'm missing?I bought a service manual but I can't read the electronics schematics.This has been driving me crazy.



Thanks Alot

 

No problem, but I do have have a question here. What exactly are you having a problem with here, the hatch or heater?

 

Well,my dome light,door locks.power mirrors,and hatch don't work.All my fuses are fine and i'm just trying to track the problem down.so when ever I see someone having a similer problem I ask for help.

 

This Forum Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had a problem with my rear hatch ( new hatch struts + old pull down motor + 100+deg. weather = motor keeps trying to pull hatch down when hatch is down). Found this thread for the fuse!!! pulled fuse for now!! I'll Fix it Sat.!!!!!!

 

I know this thread is really really old but my hatch pull down, downs but cant open it, I push the console center button but no one happens, my car is a pontiac firebird 91, the motor pull up when manual open and pull down when close the hatch

this (attached) relay is too hot

I have two motors, left side is the new and right side is the old, but the old one have two screws more than the 'new' on the back side

 

I found the relay, for the future references pontiac firebird 1991 3.1 MFI


more easy with photos

The yellow one is the relay for hatch release and is the same for the horn

Anyone knows what relay missing in the circle blue?

 

You are missing the latch release block on your "new" pull down unit. On the back side of your old unit you'll find a plastic block with a ramp protruding from it. It is attached with 2 small screws. As your pull down unit raises a plastic lever on the backside of the latch assembly makes contact with that ramp of the latch release block causing the lever to rotate 90 degrees and open the latch to release the hatch hook. If that block or lever are missing or broken, then when you press the hatch release button the pull down unit will not release the hatch hook when it reaches the top and will immediately cycle down and shut off.

Lon Salgren
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