all accessories come on new ignition switch, i cannot find my vats wires(white ones with orange around it) and the last po the had the car removed the ecm. I am getting no crank but all accessories work. if the last owner took out the vats how would i install a push button starter?

 

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i did the push button thing to mine, but i fixed that , if you want to get around the vats, here is the sollution, behind the driver side kick panel, there is the starter relay, if no one has messed with it before it is behind a bunch of black rubbery stuff , pull all that off and the relay is behind it. cut the little black wire with the yellow stripe on it, make sure you cut it long enough, crimp on or solder on a new end to the wire coming out of the relay. use an end with a hole in it. and sand the paint off where the relay screws to the body, ground the black and yellow wire, comin out of the relay, to the same spot that you screw the relay back in , problem solved , you just bypassed the vats, now your ignition will start with the key. just did that to mine

 

ah i found that it looks like they did some sort of by pass to it already possibly? in the meantime i installed and starter switch, but the relay picture does it look right?

 

no that does not look rite, did you do that , if not then pull those wires out of there

 

if they did that then , i dont know why, you need to do is ground one or the small wires and it will start through the ignition, no need for two other wires unless they go to a switch, witch you dont need,

that is if they didnt butcher the wires anywhere else

 

by lookin at your relay, (with the exception of the two yellow wires) my wires are diffrent color. i would say that the one that needs to be grounded is probebly the green one in the middle. i dont have access to the diagrams for that year , but judging by the stripes on the other green wire, that one would go to a connector under the dash and then out of the connector (mine is purple) to the starter celenoid. so i would say its the little green one that needs to be grounded, that one should go to pass key decoder module, witch just completes the ground connection when the key matches its code. so if you ground it out you bypass that option

 

get rid of the two wires that have those crimped ends on them. by the way if you have a trunk popper, it wont work unless the relay is grounded like i previously posted. cause that too runs ino the same connector

 

use a test light on the green wire to make sure theres no juice in it before you ground it. or what you can do is put the key in start and touch the wire to a ground and see if she turns over

 

u have two yellow wires they splice together and go to the ignition, the striped wire should be the one that goes to the connector, that goes to the starter. and the green wire would be the one that goes to the starter enable switch inside the pass key decoder module. or the vats, all that does is completes the ground. so the circuit is complete and the starter kicks in.

glad u put a picture of it in here, im pretty sure its the little middle green wire that needs to be grounded
like i said put the key in start and touch it to a ground, if the starter kicks in your good

 

i dont have a trunk popper but my trunk motor work fine the gray wire is a loop for one side to the other . the 2 yellows goto the ignition switch dark green/white goes to the gear selector switch , and the dark green goes to the pass key crap lol. i have the diagram in my book here . so how do i fix this?, i really appreciate your input

 

cut the dark green wire that goes to the vats, put the ign it start position, youll obviously have to hold it there. touch the wire that you cut ( commin out from the relay) to the body to ground it out. sand a little paint off if you dont have a good ground. holding the key in start pos. when you ground out the wire it should turn over

 

if all is well then crimp on a wire end and bolt it where the relay screws on( make sure to sand the paint off in that area) and you are good to go. any time you hit the key it should work

 

give it a try and let me know , ill be checkin this post for the next 45 min or so .

 

make sure you leave enough wire comin out of the relay to ground it out

and ya the trunk motor is wired seperate , just the popper goes through the same as the sarter relay. but you dont have one so no worries there

 

did as you said and the relay clicked when i turned it over but the starter didnt crank.

i took some 40 grit on the metal nice and bare and put a connector on the wire .

 

do you know if the starter is any good. or maybe the wires arent on it right. just somethin to check, cause if the relay clicks then its workin

check all the wires goin to the starter should have big power wire from the battery and a few others for your lights etc connected at the same place. and off to the side there should be another wire on the small thread , that goes around and into the firewall on driver side( make sure that one isnt cut) , cause it may have been cut when the previous owner had it, he may have used it to splice into his push button start. just check everything over and make sure all the wires are in tackt and make sure battery terminals are tight, and good battery, and starter, other then that , your relay is workin with the ignition now (cause it clicks). so now the problem is somewhere else. dont worry about the vats ,,, you have now overridden it. so i am thinkin a wire is cut and not reconected or the starter or battery is bad...

 

wish you werent so far away, id bring over a starter and a battery and some wiring stuff and help ya get er goin

 

the starter was checked at 3 diff stores oriellys autozone and advanced auto ,2 weeks ago all passing the battery is new terminal and wire combo is new too. i installed a push button starter, and it cranks over , monday im installing a timing tab and me and my friend down the road are going to put it in time TDC then vaccum . then it will scoot.

 

Is this the same on a 91 V-6 3.1 firebird? I mean is the relay in the same spot I have that problem with my firebird I need to bypass the VATS

 

i dunno this is my 1st ever project car but could be 1 in the same ?

mike

 

the 3.1 is the same, only diffrence is ground out the black with yellow stripe wire commin out of the relay

 

I might be getting into this a little. Where is that vats relay located? Base of steering wheel?

 

i may also be getting into this i have a tbi 305 91 camaro.