Legit weirdness. Turn/hazard functions.
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Legit weirdness. Turn/hazard functions.
Ok.... The proper functioning of my signals/hazards depend on whether or not the engine is running.
Everything works perfectly with the key turned and engine off. It goes on the fritz with engine on.
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ignition switch, column cam, and a few more.
Everything works perfectly with the key turned and engine off. It goes on the fritz with engine on.
My theoretical possibilities include...
ignition switch, column cam, and a few more.
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Does the car have standard flashers or electronic flashers ?
Also, the hazard circuit is not powered thru the ig switch.
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Hey sorry for taking forever. I appreciate your response.
I realized that is tied directly into the voltage that the lighting module computer receives.When the alternator is putting out 8 volts to the lighting module, everything functions perfectly. When it's putting out 12 and a half or whatever, things start to strobe.There is a diode / resistor built into the computer I believe it to be bad. I plan on intercepting the power supply with a buck converter or a diode to lower the voltage going into the cars lighting control module.
because there is too much voltage going to the thermo sensor that the Romeros sensor thing starts working when it shouldn't .
I cannot Nerf the whole system obviously because of the distributor. So I am going to Nerf the power sources that go to the lighting control module. Though I didn't control module is separate from the engine control module.If you're not sure what I mean it is Berlinetta specific it's weird
because there is too much voltage going to the thermo sensor that the Romeros sensor thing starts working when it shouldn't .
I cannot Nerf the whole system obviously because of the distributor. So I am going to Nerf the power sources that go to the lighting control module. Though I didn't control module is separate from the engine control module.If you're not sure what I mean it is Berlinetta specific it's weird
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It's a failure that's common to the Berlinetta Light Module. There is a "Circuit Breaker" inside the Light Module that fails and causes this problem. I haven't actively tried to design some type of resolution or 'work-around' yet, but seems like if you could install some type of voltage regulator on the RED wire on Plug 'C2' PIN "F". And YES; This voltage regulator would need to be installed in-line just before the Light Module plug so it doesn't interfere with anything else. ( this RED wire circuit is a "major" Power Distribution circuit from PIN 'G" of the C100 firewall harness - then leads to one of the fusible links @ the starter. )
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It's a failure that's common to the Berlinetta Light Module. There is a "Circuit Breaker" inside the Light Module that fails and causes this problem. I haven't actively tried to design some type of resolution or 'work-around' yet, but seems like if you could install some type of voltage regulator on the RED wire on Plug 'C2' PIN "F". And YES; This voltage regulator would need to be installed in-line just before the Light Module plug so it doesn't interfere with anything else. ( this RED wire circuit is a "major" Power Distribution circuit from PIN 'G" of the C100 firewall harness - then leads to one of the fusible links @ the starter. )
The car no longer goes crazy when I engage the ignition
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Could you explain ?? What did you "nurse" (??) from the fuse-box ??
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I I meant to type Nerf. Auto Auto texting.
Voice texting please forgive errors.the dinner is set to a steady setting and it is tied into my headlights so when my headlights get turned on it is the dinner is automatically at a set brightness. The headlights high beams and dimmeris all separated from the computer. We used an aftermarket switch and it is tucked away behind the swivel radio. I am not sure how he wired it because my friend did it and not me.The turn signals and Hazards would go crazy when the engine started. But with the engine off they were perfect. We found that this is a result of too much voltage hitting the thermo thing in the computer which is tripping everything when it otherwise wouldn't normally be tripped.To remedy it I installed 10 highly rated highly durable schottky diodes in series. Lowering the voltage that the computer received by roughly two and a half volts. if someone does this I recommend that they also install a heat sink and fuse. I did not do that yet.Everything functions fine. The computer does not go on the fritz when receiving current from the alternator at 13 and 1/2 bolts. Because now the current is lowered to I believe 12 that the computer receives through the fuse box.I did not alter any wiring between the alternator starter and firewall and harnesses.I had butted my left pawed knocking circuitry loose. LOL at myself.I plan on fabricating a momentary on off on dpdt switch into the left pod and a Thompson button for the flashers. It would perform the same function of connecting the circuits as my pod does.It is also a much better design then the foil pads.I believe I need to use a 6 prong switch. Or to 3-prong Thompson's. Of course they all have to be momentary. Because momentary is the same function as the factory switch.Forgive voice text errors. I tried to speak as clearly as possible
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The the schottky diodes are rated at 45 volt and 20 amp. These guys are heavy duty. They taking the place of the fuse. So it goes instead of a fuse it goes left prong 10 schottky diodes and a fuse leading back into the female fuse insert part
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Message me on Facebook. Dave Caudill. It will say I work at Wilson McGinley under my profile. It It w will say either Pittsburgh or McKeesport under my home City. I am wearing a dark blue shirt with a truck in the background. From there I can give you my number and if you are curious you are more than welcome to give me a call
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I don't face-book,....never did and never will.
What's got me curious is that the "circuit breaker" inside the Light Module isn't fed power by the fuse box. Headlight Power is fed to the Light module thru an un-fused heavy (12 gauge) RED power wire that leads directly to the starter post ( thru C100 G5. )
Glad you got it working, and I 'get the idea' of what was done, just don't understand how/where you got power from the fuse box,....... and have to assume that you cut the RED wire on Plug C2 (PIN 'F') of the Light Module and connected the new power source wire to it. ( Hopefully it was a full-time power source & you used at least a 12 gauge wire ! )
** IMO cutting the RED wire at C2 plug and installing the "10 highly rated highly durable schottky diodes in series. " in-line at that location would be the preferred method. ( No extra wiring, no tapping into the fuse-box, no extra switch,....ect. Everything would still look and function normally and all modifications are in the same location as the Light Module)
What's got me curious is that the "circuit breaker" inside the Light Module isn't fed power by the fuse box. Headlight Power is fed to the Light module thru an un-fused heavy (12 gauge) RED power wire that leads directly to the starter post ( thru C100 G5. )
Glad you got it working, and I 'get the idea' of what was done, just don't understand how/where you got power from the fuse box,....... and have to assume that you cut the RED wire on Plug C2 (PIN 'F') of the Light Module and connected the new power source wire to it. ( Hopefully it was a full-time power source & you used at least a 12 gauge wire ! )
** IMO cutting the RED wire at C2 plug and installing the "10 highly rated highly durable schottky diodes in series. " in-line at that location would be the preferred method. ( No extra wiring, no tapping into the fuse-box, no extra switch,....ect. Everything would still look and function normally and all modifications are in the same location as the Light Module)
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I kept telling him exactly what you said. My mechanic. He agreed with the voltage drop idea. However, he insisted the fuse box would work as well.
he said that the fuse box in that situation there is constant power coming from that fuse to the computer.I honestly don't understand how it worked either. Maybe it has something to do with how my other friend wired to Headlights. maybe it has something to do with that the only job the computer was performing at the time was the turn signals and flashers. And there is no other power going into it from the other fuses. I honestly don't know.All I need to focus on right now is figuring out what wires go to what prongs for a three-way momentary dpdt rocker switch on off on for the turn signals. And a push button 3-prong for the flashers.off Like I said though it will be fabricated into the left pawed very Tastefully. and that whole left pod will be deleted. I have no reason to switch between miles per hour in kilometers per hour. LOLRemember, my headlight high beam and dimmer isn't even going through that pod anymore that's harnessed has been bypassed .
It kind of sucks that it's not truly a Berlinetta at this point now. I deviated away from my original goal. But I'm not taking risk after risk and wasting potential hundreds of dollars on busted lighting modules
It kind of sucks that it's not truly a Berlinetta at this point now. I deviated away from my original goal. But I'm not taking risk after risk and wasting potential hundreds of dollars on busted lighting modules
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Again - I'm glad it's worked out for you so far,..... I am honestly hoping that you don't end up with a fire.
Yes,..... there is - but it's not the HEADLIGHT POWER !
The headlight wiring from the Pod is just Switched Ground signals,........ all the Power is (was) controlled by the Light Module. Changing the type of switched ground switch that is used changes NOTHING about how the headlights get/use Battery voltage. That's what the circuit breaker & relays inside the Light Module are for.
All that was needed was the daisy-chain of "10 highly rated highly durable schottky diodes in series. " on the RED Power wire directly in front of the Light Module plug. That's it; EVERYTHING else could have remained stock and would have continued to function normally.
Now; Your pulling a heavy voltage load to power the headlights thru an unknown fuse thru an unknown sized wire to/thru aftermarket switches. Was the mechanic thinking clearly enough to AT LEAST put the headlight power wiring thru a relay ?? What-ever fuse that your mechanic spliced into is now going to responsible for it's original purpose AND powering the headlights,... as well as what-ever else he might have spliced into that circuit.
With any luck the diagram above will provide you with the info you need to continue modifying your electrical system. And hopefully,... you'll keep a fire extinguisher in the car at all times.
he said that the fuse box in that situation there is constant power coming from that fuse to the computer.
Remember, my headlight high beam and dimmer isn't even going through that pod anymore that's harnessed has been bypassed .
All that was needed was the daisy-chain of "10 highly rated highly durable schottky diodes in series. " on the RED Power wire directly in front of the Light Module plug. That's it; EVERYTHING else could have remained stock and would have continued to function normally.
Now; Your pulling a heavy voltage load to power the headlights thru an unknown fuse thru an unknown sized wire to/thru aftermarket switches. Was the mechanic thinking clearly enough to AT LEAST put the headlight power wiring thru a relay ?? What-ever fuse that your mechanic spliced into is now going to responsible for it's original purpose AND powering the headlights,... as well as what-ever else he might have spliced into that circuit.
With any luck the diagram above will provide you with the info you need to continue modifying your electrical system. And hopefully,... you'll keep a fire extinguisher in the car at all times.
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Again - I'm glad it's worked out for you so far,..... I am honestly hoping that you don't end up with a fire.
Yes,..... there is - but it's not the HEADLIGHT POWER !
The headlight wiring from the Pod is just Switched Ground signals,........ all the Power is (was) controlled by the Light Module. Changing the type of switched ground switch that is used changes NOTHING about how the headlights get/use Battery voltage. That's what the circuit breaker & relays inside the Light Module are for.
All that was needed was the daisy-chain of "10 highly rated highly durable schottky diodes in series. " on the RED Power wire directly in front of the Light Module plug. That's it; EVERYTHING else could have remained stock and would have continued to function normally.
Now; Your pulling a heavy voltage load to power the headlights thru an unknown fuse thru an unknown sized wire to/thru aftermarket switches. Was the mechanic thinking clearly enough to AT LEAST put the headlight power wiring thru a relay ?? What-ever fuse that your mechanic spliced into is now going to responsible for it's original purpose AND powering the headlights,... as well as what-ever else he might have spliced into that circuit.
With any luck the diagram above will provide you with the info you need to continue modifying your electrical system. And hopefully,... you'll keep a fire extinguisher in the car at all times.
Yes,..... there is - but it's not the HEADLIGHT POWER !
The headlight wiring from the Pod is just Switched Ground signals,........ all the Power is (was) controlled by the Light Module. Changing the type of switched ground switch that is used changes NOTHING about how the headlights get/use Battery voltage. That's what the circuit breaker & relays inside the Light Module are for.
All that was needed was the daisy-chain of "10 highly rated highly durable schottky diodes in series. " on the RED Power wire directly in front of the Light Module plug. That's it; EVERYTHING else could have remained stock and would have continued to function normally.
Now; Your pulling a heavy voltage load to power the headlights thru an unknown fuse thru an unknown sized wire to/thru aftermarket switches. Was the mechanic thinking clearly enough to AT LEAST put the headlight power wiring thru a relay ?? What-ever fuse that your mechanic spliced into is now going to responsible for it's original purpose AND powering the headlights,... as well as what-ever else he might have spliced into that circuit.
With any luck the diagram above will provide you with the info you need to continue modifying your electrical system. And hopefully,... you'll keep a fire extinguisher in the car at all times.
And he is one of the best electricians in Pittsburgh
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I have no idea what fuse your using - or how it's being used. I didn't notice you mention it & It sounded like you didn't know either
I'll admit - he's one heck of a good businessman !!
Please understand, the way I see it your re-wiring the entire lighting system rather than cutting and splicing the regulated voltage into 1 wire. To me,.......... that seems
I'll admit - he's one heck of a good businessman !!
Please understand, the way I see it your re-wiring the entire lighting system rather than cutting and splicing the regulated voltage into 1 wire. To me,.......... that seems
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Dude... The headlight / Auto dimmer was rewired and relocated before the voltage issue was diagnosed. The voltage issue got overlooked in the beginning, because everything was reading properly. We did not know that the built-in resistor thing in the module was bad, until after I broken alternator belt and then everything work perfect. Please forgive us for not knowing that 13 volts going through the computer what's considered a bad thing as opposed to 12. 2.
And also yes it was essential to do it at the fuse box, because it's not as big as a risk as you think it is. And I do not want to handle that module anymore than I have to.
And also yes it was essential to do it at the fuse box, because it's not as big as a risk as you think it is. And I do not want to handle that module anymore than I have to.
I cannot go back in time. But how it is currently is perfectly fine as well. It was professionally done. And yes I know what you mean by calling him a "businessman".
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We found a way to use a busted up, obsolete, nearly impossible to find, piece of junk lighting module to the best of its ability. And we did so safely.
That Berlinetta had literally every single separately posted threads' problems all in one car. And it is good now. Because we are the ****. And that even includes bringing the dash back to life, fixing the radio, resurrecting the the lighting module, resurrecting the dash lights, re grounding EVERYTHING, cleaning the ECM, cleaning the LCM, resoldering everything.
That Berlinetta had literally every single separately posted threads' problems all in one car. And it is good now. Because we are the ****. And that even includes bringing the dash back to life, fixing the radio, resurrecting the the lighting module, resurrecting the dash lights, re grounding EVERYTHING, cleaning the ECM, cleaning the LCM, resoldering everything.
And you want to knock us for a few aftermarket modifications to not only fix, but actually improve upon the original design. Because we had no other choices at the time?Well buddy, sometimes life throws curve *****, and when you restore a car that should have been in the junkyard, you're going to get a lot of curveballs.
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And lastly, it is not a hack job. Everything is clean. Even my pod modifications look Factory. And the upper half of the Pod, because I do not need it for the headlights and dimers anymore, is going to become an integrated FM Bluetooth radio transmitter, that way I can keep the stock radio AND have all of today's technological advancements at my fingertips. Because I am awesome at fabricating.
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despite going back and forth, I do respect you. And I do recognize that you are more skilled and knowledgeable than I am. We did the best we could with what little knowledge about the system we had.
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I'm not 'knocking' you for anything. Your car - and your efforts here show how dedicated you are to it. Want to fabricate and customize,... cool ! This sentence COMPLETELY sums up what I think about your Light Modules' Circuit Breaker problem.
You say that the headlight and DIM circuits were already modified before you found the Circuit breaker was bad in the Light Module..... How do you know - or can you be sure - the circuit breaker problem failure wasn't CAUSED by that modification ?? ( Schematics clearly show that headlight power is supplied directly to the Light Module on the Circuit Breaker circuit )
I REALLY DO hope that you and your mechanic are knowledgeable enough to use relays to power such voltage hogs as headlights, use the proper gauge wiring and tap into power from circuits that can handle it so your car doesn't turn into a Carbecue;
example: 54K mile 86 IROC with improperly wired aftermarket stereo/alarm system.
I've done my share of custom wiring and can tell you first hand - the fact that it "works" right now doesn't mean it was done properly and you don't have provided ANY info/details as to how this customization was accomplished, so I felt it was important to mention a few things in case they were overlooked. ( Relays ?? Correct gauge wires ? Where did you get headlight power from ? ) I'm sorry that you've taken my input 'the wrong' way but believe me when I say this: I brought up Relays,wiring, and power source to cast light on the potential for problems if these things were not properly considered upon designing your custom electrical work.
Good luck with your ride.
Please understand, the way I see it your re-wiring the entire lighting system rather than cutting and splicing the regulated voltage into 1 wire. To me,.......... that seems
I REALLY DO hope that you and your mechanic are knowledgeable enough to use relays to power such voltage hogs as headlights, use the proper gauge wiring and tap into power from circuits that can handle it so your car doesn't turn into a Carbecue;
example: 54K mile 86 IROC with improperly wired aftermarket stereo/alarm system.
I've done my share of custom wiring and can tell you first hand - the fact that it "works" right now doesn't mean it was done properly and you don't have provided ANY info/details as to how this customization was accomplished, so I felt it was important to mention a few things in case they were overlooked. ( Relays ?? Correct gauge wires ? Where did you get headlight power from ? ) I'm sorry that you've taken my input 'the wrong' way but believe me when I say this: I brought up Relays,wiring, and power source to cast light on the potential for problems if these things were not properly considered upon designing your custom electrical work.
Good luck with your ride.
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Thank you sir.
PS... I reread everything and understand exactly what do you mean. And I plan on going back underneath to take care of the firewall wire very shortly so I can clean up the fuse box.
PS... I reread everything and understand exactly what do you mean. And I plan on going back underneath to take care of the firewall wire very shortly so I can clean up the fuse box.
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