I am selling a lot of 10 (not 12) NOS GM AC Delco PF25, GM part number 12490140 oil filters. These are the original and correct oil filters for 1985-1992 Camaro and Pontiac Firebird third gen V8 f body cars. These are quite heavy, they definitely don’t make them like this anymore, and they have been discontinued for years. These were also used for many small block GMPP GM Performance Parts Chevrolet Performance Parts crate motors as well. Rare and hard to find. $250 shipped for all 10 total. Call or text Shawn at 310-279-6974

 

Is this the same ACDelco filter you can buy for $9 at Autozone? The PF25 filter is still available

 

These haven't been available for years. PF25's aren't made anymore...I think the new version is a pf454 which is junk.

 

Are you willing to sell 2 of them?

Thanks

Manny

 

Still available new from Amazon, Rock Auto, etc. The original filters were black.

There's not much reason to use the PF25 anyway. The PF35 or PF1218 is a larger filter that fits fine. The PF35L is still around too, along with plenty of other high quality filters.

 

If you were local I might consider doing a local pickup to help you out, but I don't want to go through the hassle of packing and shipping just two of these. Sorry!

 

So much opinion and misinformation out there. Whatever they are calling a PF-25 today is actually a PF-454 which is junk. Our cars called for PF-25's. These particular ones were made in the 1990's in the USA. These aren't for most third gens though...these are for the folks who have original cars and want to keep them as close to original as possible, as are most of the NOS parts I come across that I have bought, used and sold over the past couple of decades. If you held one of these and you held anything made in the past 10-15 years, you'd instantly feel the difference, as these weigh about 2x more than any currently produced product that is not made in the USA...

 

True, but most of it is your sales pitch.

You say these are "original" and "correct" oil filters, yet it's fairly well documented the factory "original" filters were black, not the common blue AC Delco replacement. You say they're discontinued, that they're rare and hard to find, yet they're still available new on popular websites.

 

You clearly did not read what I wrote earlier. These are not the same as whatever you can buy now. These are from the mid 1990's and made in the USA, they weigh at least 2x more than any so called equivalent that is made today. These are what were being used on the cars when they were still new cars and getting serviced at the dealership. I never said these were "assembly line correct", which some of my old NOS parts are. PF-25 is the absolute correct and original size and designation for these cars, and you CANNOT get these anymore. These are MUCH DIFFERENT than current offerings, but definitely not for most buyers, and most likely not for a value minded/budget conscious person looking for the cheapest or best price on everything they buy for their 30+ year old car...

 

I'll pass on my offer. GLWS

 

What? Have you held a PF454? They're made in the USA as well. I work at a dealer and just threw a brand new PF454 from the shelf onto my Firebird like a week ago and they're still made in USA. From what I understand the only difference between the 454 and 25 was that the 454 was obviously a little shorter and the 454 had an anti drain back valve. I get the originality stand point, but it should end there because a PF454 isn't "junk" compared to a PF25.

 

When the local K Mart went out of business, I bought 20 or 25 of these filters. This was in the late 1990s. I think I paid around $1.50/each. Perhaps I could sell them, as I've used only a couple.

 

One of my best friends is the part manager of a Chevy dealer local to me. I have held many pf454's and they are JUNK compared to these. I have been messing with these cars since the 1990's. The old school PF35L's are the only thing that I would use for our cars other than these old school PF-25's. Every Delco oil filter I have seen for the past several years has either been made in Mexico or overseas...

 

Well I checked eBay, the local dealership and I checked local parts stores to confirm. The PF-25 like these are in fact, as I have said, long discontinued. And people are selling these for $15-$35 per filter on ebay. My price is more than reasonable. These are for people who have original, mint condition survivor cars and want them to be as correct and authentic as possible. Not folks trying to save a couple bucks working on one of their 5 30+ year old rust buckets.

You should keep yours and use them if you still have your car, because they are far superior to any of the stuff made today.

 

I watched a guy open up a vintage pf25 on YouTube. The guts are metal with a normal filter element, pretty much the same as any WIX.

 

Sounds like a WIX filter is the perfect filter for your car! I'll keep mine genuine with vintage GM parts...

 

Who Sells AC Filters? - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

This thread is from 2003 on this forum where people were complaining about the PF-25's being discontinued...

Different oil filters. - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

This thread is from 2016 on this forum where people are STILL complaining about PF-25's being discontinued...

Anyway, I've spent enough time with this. Someone will buy these because they're special for a special third gen. I have been selling rare and special NOS GM parts on here and ebay for almost 2 decades now, and people are always happy with their purchases...

They are still available for the buyer who wants to have authentic vintage factory service parts on their classic f body instead of some aftermarket or overseas junk...

 

Drew,

With all due respect, you sometimes seem overconfident in your knowledge. You’re wrong on this issue. If you actually read the replies I wrote and posted, you’d see that the original and real made in USA pf-25 filters were discontinued about 20 years ago. The one I have for sale here are from the mid 1990’s. If you actually look on the Amazon posting for what they are calling pf-25’s, Amazon’s website clearly says the ones they are selling first became available on October 10, 2007, which is about a decade after mine were made.

You have also specifically bought parts from me before and know that I accurately list my parts and their condition, and I pack my items well and ship quick. I’m an enthusiast and have been doing this for something like 25-30 years. Not trying to take advantage of anyone or mislead anyone and No one has to buy anything from me if they don’t see the value.

Bottom line is these are the original replacement pf25 filters from the 1990’s. They’re different than whatever is on Amazon.

also look on eBay to see how much vintage pf25’s sell for if you want additional evidence to show that you’re misinformed on this topic.

 

Drew there ya go sir.

 

Just for those true third gen history buffs, some of the nuance in identifying vintage pf-25's vs what is being sold these days is that the vintage service replacements from the 1990's for our cars are blue, they say "AC Delco Duraguard" vs the newer AC Delco filters that use the term "AC Delco Professional".

Also, the pf-25's you get today, though they are calling them pf-25's, they are actually vintage repops that are white with a red ac logo on them, you cannot get black or blue pf-25's anymore. I'll post some pics for you all.

 

I have the new pf-25’s too for you to clearly see the difference. This is the pf-25 you get when you order one these days. They’re vintage replicas for cars older than third gen f bodies. And they weigh about 50% less than my blue vintage pf25’s from the 1990’s.

 

You can see all of the people on Amazon who ordered the pf-25’s drew is referring to on Amazon just to be disappointed and receive the white one with the red AC logo like I just posted. This is all I have to say about the authenticity of the pf25’s that I’m selling. Mine are different than what is around today.

 

Duraguard, AC Delco's "new and improved" oil filter, introduced during the 3rd/4thgen era. I used them in all of my cars during the 90s. Improved filtration "technology" and competition forced Delco to produce a better oil filter. Thus, Duraguard was born, with Chuck Yeager's face. Then in the 2000s, GM/Delco shopped-out production, which ultimately led to the "AC Delco" branded, sweatshop-manufactured filters of today.

Unfortunately, due to the birth of quick-change oil service stations in the 80s, I didn't perform my engine's first oil change, so I can't confirm whether its original filter was black or blue. But since the early 90s, it's been all me, and I used Duraguard filters, which were blue, exclusively, until PF25s disappeared from shelves in the early 2000s. During those years, you had two choices from GM: AC Delco Duraguard and AC Delco (standard), both blue. No idea when today's retro-style "AC Delco" filters were introduced, but it was probably about image and classic branding, not quality.

Switching from PF25 to PF454, changing to generic production, and discontinuing the PF25, which may or may not have occurred, I didn't follow, because all of it sent me on a quest to find a high-quality, non-sweatshop brand with a PF25 size, which I found, and I've never looked back. But the blue AC Delco Duraguard was probably the best oil filter on the market at that time, possibly rivaling anything on the market today. A shame GM sold out... coincidentally, right after the termination of Camaros and Firebirds.

 

I distinctly remember the factory filter on my '89 IROC being black. I should have kept it as a momento but instead cut it open to see if my engine was healthy.

 

I got a few of them left

 

It’s pretty neat you have a little stash there too. I probably have about 10 pf35L’s too (in addition to these pf25’s) for a different vehicle of mine.

 

Champion Laboratories makes most modern AC Delco spin on oil filters. So, basically Fram. They do not make their filters in "sweatshops" because that is actually illegal in the United States. The filters are made in the good ol' US of A. Here's an Ebay listing for two PF454's and you can even see it say "Product of USA" on the box and on the top of the filter itself. (note: The packaging and sticker changed recently on these filters but they are the exact same filter.): https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Pack-Of-A...IAAOSwvJ9fru0v

The PF454 really isn't that much different. Here's a video where a guy opens up a PF46:
It's not a 454 but I bet the internals are basically identical except size. PF454's also don't have an E-core because there's no E at the end. I'm half tempted to buy an old PF25 to cut open and compare to a PF454 to put this all to rest. Besides the physical shape and the fact the 454 has an antidrainback valve, they're probably more similar than y'all think.

 

To be fair, the comment that started all this stated the PF25 aren't made anymore, and aren't available. That's not an accurate statement.

Whether the new PF25 is white vs blue, I really can't comment on. Nor can I comment on the weight or quality of the older PF25 vs the new PF25, or the PF454. Personally I haven't bought a PF25 in over 20 years. As soon as a person realizes the PF35 is the exact same filter only taller, and makes oil changes a simple 5qt affair, there's not much reason to buy the PF25. There are countless high quality filters available. Plenty of them are even blue if that's your thing. $250 can buy a lot of Wix filters and blue spray paint.

Maybe to someone, a throw away service item is worth $25. I once saw a grown *** man cry like a baby because he could no longer buy Pennzoil 5W-30 conventional oil. Maybe he'd pay a premium for something he'd been using all his life, but most people would just step up to the Pennzoil 5W-30 synthetic and move on with their day. A smarter person would probably step up to something other than Pennzoil altogether.

 

May I offer some insight? I see if you are making a “period” show car and trying to be 100% original, these should be for you. That said when I used to buy them and my ‘89 go to maybe 20-30k on it, I’d get a rattle from the lifters at cold start.
It’s my kids car now, but for the past 130-150k on it, been only using the “anti drain” back ones.

And yes, the original filter was black. I recall that because it reminded me of the Hastings filters from the 70’s. I used to use.

Now for the OP/seller, I’d suggest this, package them in groups of two, folks that would want them to be “right@ at a car show, etc, probably would have need for so many filters.

Surely the trail or queen 3rd gens don’t get many miles on them

 

How about we just let the guy sell his filters? Infos there to go through. No one needs opinions. Its filters. If you don't want to buy them move on. If all the "opinions" are correct they won't sell. The end.

 

No one is saying he cant sell his filters, and no one is saying you cant buy his filters. This is after all, a discussion forum. Most of the replies to the thread have been on topic, and there are bits of good information in the thread that may be helpful to someone.

There's no such thing as bad publicity, and this is just another free bump giving the seller visibility.

 

Classified add forum isn't a discussion forum. Its a for sale forum. Things go for sale, buyers or potential buyers ask basic questions and go to pms for finalizing deals. When you go to swap meets do you go in depth like this there? No you ask a few questions and if its right for you you buy if not you move on. Need to pick your battles sometimes. Over oil filters is not one to pursue.

 

I have to say that 100% agree IROCz1989!! I’m selling these for less than almost anyone on eBay. The shipping will be expensive though because of weight and dimensions.

 

I would not normally mind breaking up the lot and selling it off like that, but the shipping will be killer. I'd rather just sell them as a lot.

I will sell them locally for local pickup for less money if anyone is the Los Angeles Area...

 

Good deal on ya, just try to give you ideas.

Not directed at the OP, but I’m a member of a few other sites, both have closed down replies to Classifieds, you have to contact the thread starter, additionally the threads can only be bumped every 3 days by the OP. Sorta keeps OT discussions and hurt feels off the board. Ie some says “I’ll take it” but someone else sends a PM , once marked sold the keyboard bangers come out and get upset...also stops discussions such as the one I’m doing

 

I'm glad we can comment in the Classifieds here. I usually learn a thing or two.

 

Not to belabor the point, but most of your technical information will come from the Tech Boards. The guys that really know that “will it fit a xxx” car, won’t be surfing the classifieds to give out tech info.

Anyways, I get your point, but I think more learning is done in the other forum’s than in the classifieds

 

BY THE WAY EVERYONE, THESE ARE STILL AVAILABLE. IF YOU DO A LOCAL PICKUP I WILL CHARGE LESS.

 

According to various online retailers, the PF25 and PF454 filter down to 25-30 microns. The same retailers rate the WIX 51069 at 21-23 microns.

glws!

 

Not only is that a miniscule difference, your post completely misses the point of these. These are for survivor/show cars that don't get driven much. If you're concerned about micron level filtration numbers, these definitely aren't for you.

 

If I were selling something, I'd LOVE for the members to discuss it. It's good for the seller. If we weren't having a discussion, this thread would 4 pages back.

Look! Another bump for the seller!

 

So for the show car guys. Do you have mirrors under car to show the filter? Do they deduct points ( I assume they do)?

 

See why there shouldn't be discussion on the classifieds? No buyers, just opinions and accusations being thrown around. Now someone's asking if they deduct points at a car show. Don't mind simple back and forth but the post has gone off the tracks. And to no benefit to the seller.

 

I guess it all depends upon the tone of the discussion. If someone is saying helpful, interesting, relevant, accurate things, then it definitely could be helpful. When you get negative people who think they know more than they do and they insist on posting and defending inaccurate and false information, that is not particularly helpful. If it was a conversation where some people weren't looking for negative secondary gains (ie: coming to someone's post just to be negative because they are grouchy, negative personalities and like to stir things up just so they can get a few minutes of hand holding and attention) and they were actually trying to be helpful, that would be far more helpful in my opinion...so it really depends. Some comments on this thread are interesting for the history and tech, but lots of the commentary is not accurate and really just placed to be negative...

 

Tying to see the value of the filter is all. That is why I asked. I'll back up and shut up.

 

Funny how you keep saying "accurate" and pointing fingers about "defending inaccurate and false information" when your claims are inaccurate.

PF25s are still made, and are still available. Therefore to claim they aren't, is exactly what you're complaining about.

Just because comments made in the thread aren't helpful to you, doesn't mean they aren't helpful to other people reading the thread.

 

Do you just like to be a keyboard warrior, Drew? You're wrong, but you clearly do not know how to eat any humble pie... They don't make these filters anymore, I'm not sure why that is so challenging for you to comprehend. You're not competently speaking on this topic, and clearly haven't read what several long time, well regarded members on this forum have mentioned on this thread and the threads I posted earlier from members lamenting the fact that GM stopped producing these about 20 years ago or so. Today's "PF-25's" are the white and red repop ones that I posted. Those are called PF-25 sure, but they are a much different PF25 than these...the end, if you don't understand that, you probably shouldn't be messing around with old cars. What you're saying is like saying we'll OER makes repop IROC hood louvers, so therefore all IROC hood louvers are the same because they are being called the same thing "Iroc hood louvers" regardless of whether or not the were made by GM or OER, etc.

 

I understand where you are coming from. The value in these filters to me is that you cannot get them anymore, so you get to go 20-25 years back in time and use parts that haven't been available in a long time. A generic new filter is around $10 these days, so for a few more dollars per filter, you can have something that is period correct and a genuine service part from the 1990's. For show cars and low mileage original survivor cars, lots of people like using these types of parts vs whatever the current service replacement part is, and at some high end car shows, having something like this might give an extra point or two. Plus, if you actually held one of these and saw how heavy and significant they are compared to something like the pf-454, you'd also probably see lots of vale in the quality of the manufacturing process of these too.

 

I know people in the '60's muscle car community who have a fortune in their cars. They will pay over $100 each for the correct NOS AC Delco spark plug or $30 dollars for the correct NOS tire valve stem cap. But they MUST be correct, as in assembly line. Any later part is considered "Day 2" and is judged differently.