and how much does a gn v6 with turbo cost to pick up ????????? small blocks are a dime a dozen and everywhere thats the point of doin it and they have all the parts available to do the twin turbo and single turbo chips available and ready for purchase if you look i know for a fact and if you read that page i posted the url to you would also see that there is a carb adapter you can use and run a carb to do out the injection if you wanted to ...
and what exactly is the difference between swapping in a turbo v6 and adding a kit well id say its alot easier for one and then theres the whole aspect of changing exhaust and everything your gonna have to do to both motors and your wiring is gonnna cost ya for both (kits) either way im sayin that a v6 with turbo and a v8 with turbo built the same and proper ...is gonna be a no brainer man ....we can argue this to the point of death but its the truth you just dont wanna admit it

 

then why did you sit here and argue with me about it in the first place next time come out and say what you mean and dont beat around the bush...lol

 

EDIT. Nevermind

 

hey man the only point im tryin to make is that a v6 gn motor is not the feasable and easy way to build a turbo powered third gen firebird/camaro ......if you look into it its not that anymore expensive once youve rebuilt both engines and bought or rebuilt turbos and upgraded fuel delivery and exhaust and so on and so on ....and its alot nicer to have a v8 in your car than a v6 IMO......so with that said i hope we can all just get along if not oh well!!!!!

 

and you would know this how? Have you done a GN/TTA motor swap? Do you know what it takes to swap it in?

 

nope sure havent but i got two friends that have and ive helped and its not worth the headache you have to deal with on em ...there both gettin ready to yank them out and put in 350s in now

 

Let me ask you something. Have you done either swaps? I can tell you from FIRST HAND experience the GN/TTA motor swap is NOT hard. A few people and a few days and the motor was in and running very well. Christ the fbody's came with the motor for christ sake.

You're entitled to your opinion but you're starting to talk out your *** when you say the GN swap isn't feasible because in reality it's not that complicated or hard.

 

if you wanna go that route how many engine swaps have you done in your life time ...i think i might have ya beat there on the swappin and custom makin of brackets and exhaust and all the other stuff involved in making engines fit where there not supposed to ....lets not get in a pissin match about who has done what cause thats gonnna get ya no where with me man

 

EDIT: TGO's server sucks *****.

Anyway, no pissing contest here. Just stating that the swap isn't hard. No harder than swapping in another SBC :shrug:

 

OK, This is how I see it, May be right may be wrong, but since other people are showing thier a** I'll go ahead and show mine too. Lets look at the situation objectively.

#1 motor mounts. Will the GN motor line up on the 3.1 mounts? I dont know, but i seriously doubt it. If not, and you have to change mounts it would be the same amount, if not less work and money(I dont know what kind of fabbign is needed for GN) to put in mounts for a V8. 9.99 apiece from autozone, holes are already there.

#2 Computers. Safe to assume that most everything would have to be swapped. Wiring harneses, computers, etc, for it to work. I cant see the GN computer **** being any cheaper than stuff for a SBC. Same amount of work involved to switch it, maybe more for a GN cause it wasnt supposed to be there.

#3 Engine availabilty. I seriosly doubt you are going to touch a GN engine complete, for anything close to what you could get a good sbc for. Most people that have them wont get rid of them, and those that want to sell them want your first born child in payment.

#4 Room for improvement. I'm not starting a war here, i know the GN engines have a strong fan base, and there are lots of Aftermarket parts, but the SBC has the best aftermarket there is. IF you dont believe this, then you are retarded. Even ford or mopar guys will tell you that.

#5 Over all performance. With the same kind of mods, a GN V6 will not have a fighting chance against a turbo V8. Assuming the mods are across the board (head porting, cam, etc) the V6 jsut cant keep up. Even though it responds well to the mods, the 350 ci small block is gonna resond better cause its bigger. end of story.

#6 Over all cost. Yeah, the turbo kit is gonna be more for the v8. Its not gonna necesarily run 3K. You can get them cheaper, and what the hell is wrong with doing it yourself? A lot of other guys have, just looked at one today on here. The extra money spent on the V8 will easily be spent trying to find a GN motor. Then you will have to change the cam, and make all of the changes. The cost would probably work out to be about even.

The only problem with all of this is this: You spent the same amount of money to put in the GN that you would spend on a v8 turbo, and that v8 is gonna smoke you. Kinda seems stupid and pointless. But hey, its your coin man, blow it how you want it.

 

you expect me to just drop it when you come at me like that tellin me that first of all there isnt a kit out there to put a 350 with turbos on a third gen then you jump all over me tryin to make it out that your the expert on turbo thirdgen v6 swaps well not everyone wants to have a v6 turbo in there car some of us would like to put a v8 turbo and its not any harder to do ....

 

Actually the crossmember is drilled for the buick V6 mounts

That's all I'm gonna say. I don't have time to respond to the other stuff.

If everyone thinks a turbo'ed SBC is so easy then why aren't a lot more people running them? YES they are becoming more popular but by no means common.

I did the TTA swap and I'm happy with it. I'll be happy running my mid 11's for little spent.

BTW people the stock TTA stuff with some race gas can go into the 11's..(read:stock turbo,heads, intercooler etc).

Good day

 

blah blah blah blah

That kit is fairly new and I didn't see it yet, sue me

I'm not an expert, never claimed to be. But I can tell you that I have a turbo thirdgen

 

if the kit is fairly new and you didnt see it how did you miss it i posted it before all this whoo haa about v6 this and that is better ..????

 

oh yeah, after reading the entire thread, all i can say is that, there is absolutely no possible way you are going to get 600 rwhp out of 3.8 and still stay in the 25 mpg range, especially without an overdrive transmission.

 

AMEN

 

not 25..but close to it if you don't floor it all the time

 

Damn the personal attacks are getting rough, this one isnt an attack, just an observation. If you think that with your stock TTA you are gonna go to the track and run mid 11's you sir are lost. The only person you are lying to is yourself.

 

I didn't see it until you posted it...what don't you understand lol

 

lol, who says I have a TTA and who says it's stock? Reading is good.

I said that the stock TTA components have gone into the 11's. Reread what I said a few posts up about that.

 

oh and just to make something clear. I'm not saying a V8 turbo is pointless or stupid because it's probably my next project..so...um yeah

 

why cant you admit that a v8 with the same equipment as a v6 is gonna smoke that v6

 

how about here where you said it

 

Ok you just said that a OK maybe i misread, but i believe this quote can be attributed to you. Any way, not gonna happen. Never did, never will. I guess that means that i shouldn't have any problems going into the 10's cause there have been SBC motors with standard bore that have done that, and thats what I have huh? Yes, the GN motor would be cool. NO it is not a cost effective way around the 350, and no with the same mods it will not beat the 350. I dotn know why you are still arguing about this. Its pointless.

 

oh, and by the way one more time 650 RWHP, no overdrive, 25 mpg, 11's with the 3.8 turbo. Bull crap. You can make that power, and you could run that time, but not cheap and certainly not the way you are implying.

 

LOL, so TTA guys haven't gone into the 11's with the stock heads,cam,intake,intercooler, turbo etc? LOL...ok then...go read the turbo buick boards bud.

Let me clarify...when I said stock I meant the actual engine. Of course the exhaust and some other little things were done. That's my fault for not being more clear(and no I'm not being a smartass with that comment).

If you don't believe me you can ask one of the people that posted in this thread what his stock motored TTA ran. I'm sure he can enlighten you.

As far as the MPG comment. I don't think anyone said that you can get 25MPG...but you can get close provided you drive like a normal human being. Yes it's hard to say out of the boost(REAL hard actually, lol) but people are getting close to 20mpg(if you don't believe me oh well, I've seen it with my own eyes). To achieve that you DO have to drive like a grandmom..the more you romp on it the more you watch your gas needle drop lol

 

I've said now about 3 times that mod for mod the 350 would probably win, I'm NOT arguing that, read please.

Also, how many conventional SBC's can go into the 9's on the stock crank and rods? I certainly wouldn't try that on a L98. I miss my L98 but to turbo that and do it right was not cost effective in my mind. Considering I did the TTA swap for a little less than just that turbo kit posted alone I think I'm ahead of the game. If you think that you can just slap together a turbo kit and throw it on a L98 and reign supreme then people are kidding themselves.

AGAIN I will say my whole point was that the 3.8 **** is already done, from the factory.

 

as a matter of fact 650 RWHP, no overdrive, 25 mpg, 11's with the 3.8 turbo.
is what you said and i dont believe ya either about being able to get that much rear wheel horse power and good gas mileage at all even with a turbo ...LOL...now id believe it if you would post a copy "copy"of the time slip that showed you gettin those times and then show a dyno sheet showin those rearwheel horsepower numbers......bud

 

THAT'S what I said

My friend who I was quoting them chimed in with his comments, thanks.

That's what my friend stated, NOT me.

Thanks and play again.

 

I'm sure Steve would be happy to post time slips if he has them scanned.(I don't think he does though) Cause you know he's making up all the fake numbers in his sig

I don't think he's ever been to the dyno though.

 

I didn't see this post by you.

What kind of problems are they having? I'm curious. The swap just isn't that hard. Are they having problems getting it to run right?

 

if hes never been to a dyno then how does he know how much horse power he has ?????....you can calculate all you want but the dyno doesnt lie..LOL....

Thanks and play again.

 

no there havin problems with the computer change and electrical problems but the one got most of the gremlins worked out and the other said screw it and bought a v8 and is gonna try the turbo rout on it now ....wish i had the money he does but i dont ......

maybe you should read a little more..LOL

 

and your track time doesn't give you a good idea of the power the motor is making? Please..

Also, I didn't say I had 650 horsepower, attack him not me.

 

Did he try splicing the GN harness to the stock fbody harness? I'd assume so because that can be a freakin nightmare

Like I said I must've missed some of your posts. Posting from work and not getting caught is hard damn work

 

Ok, I've had enough...time to get ready to watch the Flyers game...must order food

It's been fun

 

you were sure standin up for him ..lol...but i still dont believe that much horse power and that good of mileage at all .....it doesnt really matter how much mileage your gettin really as long as it runs good in my opinoin if you build an engine your building it to go fast not get good gas mileage if we wanted good mileage we would just swap all the v8s for v6s and be done with it what i mean is a v8 is built for power and v6s can be too but its not the best idea for power or money concerns

 

yep have a good one same time tomorow ???
LOL

 

Nah, I'm done talking with "lowly I think I can turbo V8's cheap" people...you guys are below me......

LOL j/k

Maybe the same time tomorrow...I think we've said all we can say

My parting shot is

ALL YOU GUYS ARE ****ING RETARDED...BUY A HONDA!!!

lol

One last thing though...if your friend(s) are having problems with their GN stuff tell them to email me or hit up the turbobuick sites(which I'm SURE they did lol)

 

DAMM ARE YOU 2 DONE YET?

 

You want some too!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

Well, no matter what any of us think, aint none of us getting a honda. All of us thirdgen'ers have to keep some kind of standards

 

Amen

 

i got all night ...LOL...im game
LMAO

 

yeah i got chevys as far as the eye can see over here and there aint no room for a damn honda here..LOL

 

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hey can you order that for me ....the one with the bull**** light is the one i want for my buddy .....LMAO......:rockon:

 

Wow

First, let me say there is no doubt that an equally set up 350 inch motor will be more powerfull than an equally set up 231 inch motor. It has more cubic inches, period.

Now as for all of you calling bull****, come line up with my car. Neither I nor Tony said rear wheel horsepower, and I know I'm not making 650 at the rear wheels. I'm probrobly more like 500 ish at the wheels and 650ish at the motor. No I've never been on a dyno and have no intentions of going on one, to me it's track performance that matters and my car has gone 10.69@125.8 w/1.47 60ft. That was with 3.08 gears, running out of fuel with 55# injectors(about 25psi). You do the math, a 3,550 pound car running 10.6@125. I'd rather guess my horsepower and know my performance than be like all the LS1 and Supra guys that lay down 600-700-800hp and still only run 11's and 12's.

I dont have any timeslips scanned but I'd be more than happy to, for now here are a few video's from last year:
http://www.krif.com/tta/Movies/GTA1075.MPG

http://www.krif.com/tta/Movies/GTA1080.MPG

http://www.krif.com/tta/Movies/GTA1082-123.MPG

http://www.krif.com/tta/Movies/GTA1083-123.MPG

[url]http://www.krif.com/tta/Movies/GTA1084-123-1.MPG[url]

http://www.krif.com/tta/Movies/GTA1097.MPG

So yeah I'm making over 600hp, yes I get just over 20mpg, no it doesnt have an overdrive, and yes it's a streetcar thats driven everywhere. If you guys dont belive it come line up with me any time. I'll be driving to the track on Fri looking to get some 10.50's or better.

 

 

I'm not gonna start up the arguement there but why are you so quick to call ?

You do realize that when you're not in boost you're driving a 3.8 with 8.0:1 compression right...not exactly a gas guzzler lol.

The chip has A LOT to do with it to...