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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 11:26 AM
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the 572 is a crate engine that is sold by gm now you can get it in a couple different forms .
I'm confused are you guys saying that you cant buy the 572 from GM?? I am pretty sure that you can.
Old Jun 1, 2004 | 12:29 PM
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Old Jun 1, 2004 | 12:36 PM
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I'd get on of these.
427 LS1
Old Jun 7, 2004 | 10:14 PM
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I made my decision and took the plasma cutter to the 2nd gen. This will be a fun project.

In the meantime, gaze at two racing machines that will kick anyones vehicle 0-40.
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Old Jun 7, 2004 | 10:41 PM
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i think thats a cool *** idea. screw everyone else if ya wanna do it. I would use the second gen if it were mine since i beleive there is gonna be less room in the third and the wiriong of the car is less complicated so there wont be as much hacking, just seems it would be a cleaner install in a second
Old Jun 7, 2004 | 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by Lonestar
I made my decision and took the plasma cutter to the 2nd gen. This will be a fun project.

In the meantime, gaze at two racing machines that will kick anyones vehicle 0-40.
i bet them little doggies can fly ...
Old Jun 8, 2004 | 08:00 AM
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i think thats a cool *** idea. screw everyone else if ya wanna do it. I would use the second gen if it were mine since i beleive there is gonna be less room in the third and the wiriong of the car is less complicated so there wont be as much hacking, just seems it would be a cleaner install in a second
Thanks, I am not concerned about the wiring as I will need to take everything out of the Viper and put it in the Firebird.

As far as hacking goes, I am cutting out the underneath of the car and building a full tube chassis.
Old Jun 8, 2004 | 08:03 AM
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i bet them little doggies can fly ...
They run the 1/4 mile in under 30 seconds.

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Old Jun 8, 2004 | 08:08 AM
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Sounds like an awesome project that will result in an absolutely inmcredible ride - I envy and congratulate you!!!!

Godd Luck and please keep us posted as to your progress on this beast!!!



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Old Jun 8, 2004 | 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by Lonestar
I made my decision and took the plasma cutter to the 2nd gen. This will be a fun project.

In the meantime, gaze at two racing machines that will kick anyones vehicle 0-40.

i have a friend whos bike they wont beat... its a "harley" too... and his back tire is wider then my camaros. lol.


Originally posted by Lonestar
They run the 1/2 mile in under 30 seconds.
in otherwords, they'll beat a L03 thirdgen in the quarter... lol.

that would be a fun race to see.
Old Jun 8, 2004 | 08:36 AM
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i have a friend whos bike they wont beat... its a "harley" too... and his back tire is wider then my camaros. lol.




in otherwords, they'll beat a L03 thirdgen in the quarter... lol.

that would be a fun race to see.
Note the edit to my post. They run 1/4 mile in under 30 seconds, these are Greyhounds not Cheetahs! Sorry.

Is it a nitro Harley? I don't know about the bike, but the dogs hit their top speed of 40 to 45 in under 2 seconds, or roughly two to three steps.

I would love to take one of those nitro Harleys for a spin sometime.
Old Jun 8, 2004 | 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by vernw
Sounds like an awesome project that will result in an absolutely inmcredible ride - I envy and congratulate you!!!!

Godd Luck and please keep us posted as to your progress on this beast!!!



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I always plan on documenting my projects, but usually end up forgetting to until it's done or almost done, but I will try to remember.
Old Jun 18, 2004 | 11:59 PM
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Wait, I have a question. The origional post said:
origionally posted by Lonestar
I aquired half of a Viper (the front half).
Where is the back half? Half of a V10 is a V5, or one side of a V10 is a \ 5. Do you have a V5? A \ 5? Or maybe the other side; a / 5? Last time I checked, the V10 isn't a 2 piece front to back motor. What gives?

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Old Jun 19, 2004 | 12:56 AM
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Originally posted by ME Leigh
http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/Crat...rformance.html

I'd get on of these.
427 LS1
Screw that, for that kind of cash, i'll just fork out the 9k to get me a ram jet 502.
Old Jun 19, 2004 | 04:31 AM
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Accidentally double posted.

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Old Jun 19, 2004 | 04:32 AM
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double posted again

About to use my keyboard for batting practice.

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Old Jun 19, 2004 | 04:39 AM
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Gone to the dogs.

Ok, for the guy asking about which half of the car has the motor in it, on a Viper that would be the front half. Careful reading of the original post reveals it's the front half that was acquired by our deep pocketed engine swapper. Good thing he looked here first, to put a few good minds to work on this problem. Half the engine would be better on gas though, so get out the skillsaw.

After extensive research on this problem, and based on my own extensive experience with skinny and exploited dogs, I have concluded the V10 swap is not the best choice here for performance. Obviously the brute force of those whippet dogs has been overlooked.

F-Buddy Motorsports has made a set of mounting brackets to allow the installation of a treadmill in a thirdgen engine bay, for up to three whippet dogs. The battery and distributor remain, and delivers a timed spark to the dogs butts when the accelerator is depressed. A Packs-It-In supercharger force feeds a mixture of Alpo and tap water, with an optional Starbuck's injection system for added boost. A picture of a cat is mounted in place of the radiator, and you are off to the races!

By the way, I have an LO3 Firebird, and I will race anyone's dog, any time.

All joking aside, can't wait to see how your project turns out.
Old Jun 21, 2004 | 07:32 AM
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Re: double posted again

Originally posted by Poncho Villa
About to use my keyboard for batting practice.
As far as which half...I said half a Viper, not half a v10.

The dogs are Greyhounds, a Whippet is half a Greyhound...lol!!

I thought about the treadmill already, but I would need a smaller set of treadmills in front of the larger ones for the bunnies to run on...and there is just not quite enough room for them.

Enough with the halves already as I now have half a 2nd gen.

Oh, I also have half a 3rg gen rearend after the weekend, I got good traction and blew it up going into second gear. Spent a good amount of time in the middle of the road with a coffee can!

Half a good day!
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 03:24 PM
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427 block is 9k? Its the same block as the 454!!
Old Jun 22, 2004 | 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by Lonestar
Is it a nitro Harley? I don't know about the bike, but the dogs hit their top speed of 40 to 45 in under 2 seconds, or roughly two to three steps.

I would love to take one of those nitro Harleys for a spin sometime.

id love to ride it too.
i honestly dont know his actual 1/8thmile times, but he lets out at half track because theres not enough shutdown space.... and still runs a 5second time.
Old Jun 23, 2004 | 01:28 AM
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Glad to know Lonestar has a sense of humor. Those are nice dogs, and I saw your third gen project on another thread, with the air cleaner poking out of the hood. Cool.

I used to have a 2nd gen Camaro, '73, slightly built by a mechanic, ratchet shifter, tach and huge meats out back--black with racing stripes and aluminum slot mags, 15 front and 16 rear with a lowered front end and airshocks. It would light em up, and my driveway had many sets of twin patches from when I blipped the throttle. Did brakestands at drivethroughs, and absolutely smoked a Porsche from a stoplight. Still miss that car.

I am a Thirdgen man now, though, no looking back. Just discovered a neutral safety switch issue today--key not releasing in park, but still starts fine. So I need King Arthur to remove the key from the ignition. Even so, in 15,000 miles of driving my 13 year old Bird, all I've had to pay for is a new battery. Can't say that for a lot of new cars. And it's not like I baby the car all the time either. Had to teach some guy a lesson on an onramp today, must have been pulling 2 g's. :rockon:

Oh yeah, and the nitro bikes sound scary as hell. I'll stick to cars thanks. Also, that wasn't me confused about half an engine etc. I was trying to enlighten the guy who was asking about it. I think someone was into the Budweisers.
Old Jun 23, 2004 | 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by Air_Adam
427 block is 9k? Its the same block as the 454!!
You are confused, allow me to un-confuse you. The 427 block in question is an LS1 derivative, GEN III small block. It is the block used in the C5-R. It's a pretty serious piece of casting, forging, and billet.

The 454 block you are talking about is a GEN VI big block from the late 60's and early 70's. It is a not so serious cast iron piece that is relitavely easy to come by and could be purchased for a few hunderd bucks. It is also the same block used for the 427 BBC. Hovever, it's a different 427 than the GEN III block that cost $7,000.

GEN III 427 =

GEN VI 427 =:nono:
Old Jun 24, 2004 | 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Poncho Villa
Glad to know Lonestar has a sense of humor. Those are nice dogs, and I saw your third gen project on another thread, with the air cleaner poking out of the hood. Cool.

I used to have a 2nd gen Camaro, '73, slightly built by a mechanic, ratchet shifter, tach and huge meats out back--black with racing stripes and aluminum slot mags, 15 front and 16 rear with a lowered front end and airshocks. It would light em up, and my driveway had many sets of twin patches from when I blipped the throttle. Did brakestands at drivethroughs, and absolutely smoked a Porsche from a stoplight. Still miss that car.

I am a Thirdgen man now, though, no looking back. Just discovered a neutral safety switch issue today--key not releasing in park, but still starts fine. So I need King Arthur to remove the key from the ignition. Even so, in 15,000 miles of driving my 13 year old Bird, all I've had to pay for is a new battery. Can't say that for a lot of new cars. And it's not like I baby the car all the time either. Had to teach some guy a lesson on an onramp today, must have been pulling 2 g's. :rockon:

Oh yeah, and the nitro bikes sound scary as hell. I'll stick to cars thanks. Also, that wasn't me confused about half an engine etc. I was trying to enlighten the guy who was asking about it. I think someone was into the Budweisers.
I am hacking up a '73 Firebird for this one. I shall post some pics when I get a chance.
Old Jun 24, 2004 | 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by fisherbody86
You are confused, allow me to un-confuse you. The 427 block in question is an LS1 derivative, GEN III small block. It is the block used in the C5-R. It's a pretty serious piece of casting, forging, and billet.

The 454 block you are talking about is a GEN VI big block from the late 60's and early 70's. It is a not so serious cast iron piece that is relitavely easy to come by and could be purchased for a few hunderd bucks. It is also the same block used for the 427 BBC. Hovever, it's a different 427 than the GEN III block that cost $7,000.

GEN III 427 =

GEN VI 427 =:nono:
Interesting how the conversation gets so far off topic. I like your nick, I used to walk the tunnel between Fisher and the BOC plant.
Old Jun 24, 2004 | 10:58 AM
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This has strayed from any reasonable 3rd gen applicability.

Say Goodnight, Gracie.

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