Today I aquired half of a Viper (the front half). I also have another 2nd gen and a 3rd gen. In all honesty, and money is not a problem, what do you think of the idea of putting the v10 into one or the other. Since cash and labor is not an issue, it comes down to fit. I do know that anything can be done with the proper motivation and skill. I am just tossing the idea around in my head at this time, so I am looking for your opinions based on the technical attributes to doing this, not a bunch of "just put a 350 in it". Let's see what kind of real thought you all have.

 

I've seen a pic/link from here that showed a racing camaro w/one in. Not much room left over, but it has been done. Did it come w/matching tranny, or do you already have a plan for that?

 

The car was hit by an 18 wheeler, took off the *** end, the trans housing is cracked, not sure about internals. I will have to get a new housing at the least.
I am going to hook up a fuel supply this weekend and see if I can get it running.

 

That is a lot of weight in the front end for a 3rd gen. It would be unique but I would save it for a mopar. I think you will end up getting the same "stick with chevy" attitudes.

 

I am a Chevy die hard, but they are half foreign anymore anyways, so why bother. Heck, my "genuine Harley" parts have the made in China stamp on them. This is about an idea, and intellectual thoughts on it, not opinions if it is right or wrong. I am just toying with the idea and thought maybe I could get a good conversation going just because. I will probably do it anyway, but why not get good minds going in the process.

 

Hell i'd do it, screw the "stay chevy" its a dodge motor, american enough for me . Throw that puppy in there and mate it to a T-56.

 

If money is not an issue, why the hell not I say. The people who say "throw a 350 in there" are looking at it from a $ stanpoint.

I think you should have no problem with the tranny... in fact arent the viper t-56's and GM t-56's the same?
Other than that, you can have someone fabricate the motor mounts and be doe with it.

 

Whether or not I do the swap will be entirely my decision, I posted this as an avenue to induce thought from others on a subject that is not the norm. I am curious to everyone's input. Computer electronics is the biggest issue with something like this, I am lucky enough to have all that included. The actual fabrication is easy. I should get a decent digital camera sometime and post some good pics.

 

No. Similar but not the same. Using a Viper tranny would make things easier in the long run. As long as you have the complete wiring harness for it I do not see why it wouldn't work. Just make sure you have a ful epump that can keep up. Another problem may be front accesories and how compatible they are with the stock stuff (AC, steering..etc etc). You may have clearance issues up front as well. Are you relocating the motor mounts?

 

If anything just convert to a steering rack.

 

I'd put the engine as far back in the chassis as i could. Try and get it to the middle of car, that way you have a really low polar moment of inertia and really good handiling.

Maybe just a back into the firewall a little. Oh yeah you might want a rollcage too.

 

Your definatley gonna want a roll cage and sub frames, you need to stiffen that chassis up big time or risk twisting it. That would be one hell of a car if you do it. Don't let these nay sayers change your mind, throw that puppy in there. Samething happened with a guy who got a LT5, everyone told him not to waste his time, bah to them, just do it.

 

The T56 was originally designed to be put into the Viper. Then GM decided to put it into the F and Y cars. Ford has the T56 in the Cobra as well. I just think the bellhousing if a different pattern. This is what I understood. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Shifter may be in a different location. Don't think the vipers have the CAGS solenoid and they may contain more electronics. It may require making a new shifter hole, but big deal, get a hack saw and weld the old one back shut .

 

the only bad thing w/viper motors is they sound like crap unless you do some exhuast mods because they fire 2 cylinders at the same time...

 

If I go ahead with this project, I will probably fabricate an entire tube chassis to start. I would get a new housing for the stock tranny and rebuild it. I would probably move the firewall back to bring the weight more into proportion. I guess I just need to decide if I have the time for this intensive of a project right now.

How far back do you all think the engine should be relocated to get a better weight distribution. I am considering between 6" to a foot. I haven't done any calculations yet as I am still trying to finish my '85 right now.

 

just move the battery to the back, from what I've read/heard it makes a whole world of difference.

 

Aren't Viper V10's all aluminum? I wouldn't imagine they would weigh much more than an all iron V8.

 

Damnit. Hit refresh, double post.

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No way! It sounds really nice. It has a hearty *glub dub* to it.

 

Stock viper bodies twist like crazy, even if not raced. Our unibody would most likely not be up to it, esp. with all the cutting involved.

Dropping it in a full frame steel car or truck would be best.
I would make a bike out of it, or one nasty gocart if you want to go nutts.

Someone post a link or pic to the supposed mythical
"racing camaro" v-10 that somewhere exists.

 

If I decide to do this swap, I will build a full tube chassis for it. I figure something like this would have to be first class. Obviously the stock unibody would never handle it...heck it won't handle my 327.

I just think it would be fun, but I am leaning toward my 2nd gen for the project.

 

I think you would be better off trying for the second gen. Reason being that the second gen is better built for larger engines. Its a tank afterall

I imagine the frame would be a little stronger as well.

But thats just IMHO.



You must be pretty well off to have just come across a 1/2 a Viper.. not to mention being one of the rare people here who actually have no worries about money spent for an engine swap.



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You must be pretty well off to have just come across a 1/2 a Viper.. not to mention being one of the rare people here who actually have no worries about money spent for an engine swap.

Just a lot of education and lucky enough to get a good job.

I am leaning toward the 2nd gen

 

This swap has been done before. Search the archives there were a few pictures posted. The car was a yellow Z28.

Look here:

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...&highlight=v10

 

heres how to **** off everyone.

aquire a honda CRX.
backhalf it, and mate the cage with the backhalf and the new front subframe.

install the V10 in that.

make it as daily driver as you can while maintaining it track legal.



go race it in the import classes... hey, the engine is german, and the chassis is from japan... why not?

 

Im sure he came to a thirdgen board to throw it in a import

 

see Lonestar?? it works already.

domestic guys hate it.
import guys hate it.

yet, they all feel strangly attracted to it.

 

LOL, my sarcasm meter just exploded.

 

In all reallity, we should be able to run third gens in the import class anyway...half of the parts are import.

 

oops!

 

Throw that sucker in the thirdgen........:lala:

 

Second gens are a little more flexible than third gens. Second gens like the first gens are true sub frame cars, where the third gens are unit body. If you have everseen a first gen with a ripped quarter you know that it has a big block and no subframe connectors.

Although the engine bay is a little wider once the inner fenders are cut. Either way you go you will need subframe connectors and possibly a roll cage to tie things together.

 

hmmmmm.............

 

i say throw that v-10 in there i wanna see some pics of that bad boy goin in i bet it would be a screamer

 

UMmm, wasn't the f-body always a unibody?

 

I thought so

 

yes.

however, early unibody cars, like the 1st and 2nd gens, had the front subframe bolt on and off... unlike 3rd and 4thgens where its tack welded to the unibody.

 

i'd say put her to it.. however.. just keep in mind.. 572.. if things get real hard, you can sell the viper, fall back on a done up 572.. and have a dam fast car.. although you can't say it has a viper motor in it.. and being able to say that is too cool... if room is a problem, cut out the fenders and brace it up.. and get a rear end out of a mack truck.

 

sell that freaky mutated 10 cylinder version of Chrysler 318, take the money and build an A kickin chevy motor. How about a big cube smallblock or a big block crate motor.

 

i dunno man i think it would be pretty cool to see that v-10 under the hood at a gas station or show its more of an awe factor i think

 

I dont think the weight would be too much of an issue, I think fotment would be the biggest problem, thought if you have the moeny like you say you do, I am sure getting new motor mounts and trans xmember and custom drive shaft would be no problem, I say go for it, certainly would be unique.

The only other engine I ma prefer would be the GMMP 427.

 

heck i dont think money can be an issue when tackling this project...lol.
heck if he just bought a viper parts car then i dont think money is an isssue for him anyway....
lol
i wonder if he wants to adopt a 30 year old son or brother ..lol...

 

I agree, except if not the Viper engine, I'd go with the GMMP 572!

 

I think it would be even cooler to have a GM V10, GM's thinking of making a V10 which would be cool to drop in a thirdgen. I was at the GM's powertrain prototype plant in Michigan about a week ago and they had a lot of 10 cylinders versions of the LS1's blocks and heads sitting around in the production area. Don't know if they will ever put it in anything but who knows.

I say drop that viper engine in! It would be awesome and probably is the same weight as an iron SBC if not lighter because the viper block is aluminum. Should make for some definite fun and bragging rights.

 

I didn't know they made a 572, what special edition car/truck did they build it for?


I'd love to build a 427 clone, but the block alone is like $9k

 

the 572 is a crate engine that is sold by gm now you can get it in a couple different forms .

 

I knew about that one, but thats made by GMPP, not GMMP.

GMMP makes special edition cars like the '02 ZL1, they hand built the 427 engines for them, and they aren't available for sale individually, they only make them for the special edition camaros. Which cost some $80k

It makes over 600 HP
427, modified LS6 intake and heads

 

dont know then maybe it was a typo

 

You can buy the C5-R 427 block, heads, and all other parts for the 427 that was used in the 02 ZL1 from GMPP.