i was wondering if a 454 taken off a firstgen would fit into a thirgen without complicated modifications?
If yes, then I'd probably have to get another hood too, right?
If not, then what is the largest block that would fit? Except for the stroker of course.

More information on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks

 

Define complicated.

The info you are looking for is on my page.

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A stroked block is no bigger than any other... the insides are the only thing that's changed (if this is what you are talking about ...383, 427)

There are a few guys on the board with big blocks under their hood. I believe that there is some framework involved, as well as special mounts, besides the fact that they are heavy as heck....

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It is true that the big blocks are much heavier (175 pounds to be exact) but you don't put a big block in your car if you are going auto crossing...lol. If you are putting a big block in your car it is because you want to do something differant (gain extra coolness points for having a big block cruser) or you want to go real fast. I know the second comment can spark a discussion a mile long so before allyou small block guys go nuts here let me say that I know anything can be fast... I have seen VW bugs with 4 bangers beat big block Camaro's...BFD!!!! The point is you have to do alot more to a smaller motor to get it to run like a bigger motor. The only substitute for cubic inches is cubic dollars!!!!! Period! End of conversation!

 

When I'm done installing mine I expect the car to weigh no more than 100 pounds more if not less than what the race weight was with the small block.

You don't install a big block for HP. A small block can make as much HP as a streetable big block. Of course it's a lot easier to make that HP with a big block. The real reason for a big block is torque and driving stoplight to stoplight is where you'll really notice that torque.

A typical engine should be able to make 1 HP for every cubic inch. A small block 350 can easily make 350 HP and at 500 HP it gets expensive and unstreetable. Now a 454 can easily make 454 HP and when you do the same type of performance modifications for more power like the 500HP 350, the big block now jumps to 600+HP.

I drive a big block every day. I don't think I could go back to driving a small block.

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383 stroker (carbed) with double hump cast iron heads and pump gas
454 Big Block buildup now in progress for the 2001 racing season

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When I went from stock 350 w/headers and TH350 in the '57 to 396 w/headers and TH400, I gained 100 pounds (well, the car gained weight, not me). Measures taken were: intake went from cast iron to aluminum, radiator from stock brass to aluminum, and removal of some unable-to-use frame brackets & mounts. Also moved the battery to the trunk to help weight distribution, and added a front sway bar (big difference in daily driving with just that). Although both engine/trannies were fairly mild, my 1/4 mile times went down by a full second (TH400 has a higher stall convertor, but is slipping in 3rd). Oh, yeah, had 3.36 gears with the 350, 3.08's with the 396 as well as taller rear tires.

Until I started driving the Camaro last fall, I drove the '57 to work every day, and even took it on a 900-mile round trip to a high school reunion. On my way home from the track, I've had people pull up beside me and say, "I can't believe how fast you get that thing to go!" And that's just with a baby Rat. Sure, that trailer-queen Nomad is 1.5 seconds faster with a 383, and gets a lot more attention, but my investment is definitely much smaller.

The Camaro will remain a smallblock at least for several more years because of one word: Emissions. You can be sure, though, that thoughts have run through my mind like "Ram Jet 502 in the '57, 396 in the Camaro..."

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