86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
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86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
I have an 86 trans am with tpi. Can the tpi setup fit on the crate motor I want? I did some research and I found that it will fit. I just want to make sure before i buy the motor. please help id hate to wast money and time.
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Re: 86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
Yup, 86 was the last year of the older style heads.
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Re: 86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
thank you! its always nice to have a second opinion. so i don't feel unsure.
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Re: 86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
Physically fit yes. But if it is an older engine with flat tappet lifters, the tapping of the lifters can create havoc with the knock sensor. Plus the cam lobes can be difficult to tune for EFI, since it probably was designed for a carburetor, depending on what cam is in the older engine.
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Re: 86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
i dont have many options what can i do to make it work?
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Re: 86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
Which engine are you getting? Might have to choose a different engine or swap the cam & lifters out if you choose one with a cam that is not EFI friendly.
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Re: 86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
80910067353 part # on jegs if you wanna take a quick look please!
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Re: 86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
i do not want carb i wanna try and keep my tpi
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It will work fine. Flat tappets don't make any more noise than the roller tappets if they are working correctly. You might want to get a tune once you get it in and running.
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Re: 86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
That's about the minimum thing that qualifies as "engine". Part # for part #, it's a duplicate of the 160 HP wonders of the mid 70s; deep-dish low-compression pistons, 993 heads (about 8.2:1 compression with that combo), 929 cam (194°/204° @ .050" more or less, .390"/.410"). All the very best ingredients for guaranteed NOT performance. It's intended as a service replacement for fleets; something to get a commercial vehicle back on the road and earning revenue as cheeeeeeeply as possible while still having a factory warranty. Think "phone company van".
TPI will work fine on it, as far as bolting up and all that. All that crap about flat-tappet cams is just that, crap; that's what your 86 motor came with.
Just don't expect miracles... it'll have 45 more CID of grunt, but probably no more HP than your LB9 had. Probably still won't be able to pass a semi on a 2-lane road. Might even be worse about that than before.
You will however need a different flex plate, as your 86 has the late-model 1-pc rear main seal type, but that phone company van motor has the 2-pc type.
TPI will work fine on it, as far as bolting up and all that. All that crap about flat-tappet cams is just that, crap; that's what your 86 motor came with.
Just don't expect miracles... it'll have 45 more CID of grunt, but probably no more HP than your LB9 had. Probably still won't be able to pass a semi on a 2-lane road. Might even be worse about that than before.
You will however need a different flex plate, as your 86 has the late-model 1-pc rear main seal type, but that phone company van motor has the 2-pc type.
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Re: 86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
Arguably the 2nd worst cam choice in the universe for that motor; surpassed in unsuitability only by its next bigger brother, aka "the RPM cam", which has the same int lobe but the next larger exh lobe in that family. (244° @ .050", .510" lift)
Even its very own ad copy clearly states
Total mismatch to a 8:1 motor, TPI, and any kind of stock gears.
Even its very own ad copy clearly states
lopey idle, mid-upper rpm power. Requires 9.5:1 and higher compression, 2,800+ stall, and gearing
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part# 138-BP35511CT1 jegs. thats my last option. didnt the 86 ta tpi come with 210 hp? i want ATLEAST that. my cam is wiped out i need a motor just to drive the car.
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Re: 86 tpi setup on a crate motor with old style heads
will my tpi setup fit on that motor if it does imma get that motor instead.
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According to blueprintengines.com, for that engine they say, "MUST USE 1987-1995 INTAKE MANIFOLD".
Doesn't sound like it.
Doesn't sound like it.
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