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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 05:02 PM
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Is this motor swap illegal

Ok so i found out supposedly swapping a 1976 sbc350 motor from a c10 truck into my 1986 camaro is illegal because the motor is older then the car is. Now i just want someone to clarify this for me and if you heard or read about it on another form and you arent 100% sure then keep your mouth shut please because i dont want corrupt answers just the truthe, thanks lol.
Also if it isnt illegal then what are the things you have to do to pass emissions in texas with it, or is there no emissions here?
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 05:04 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Also the c10 motor has a mild cam, intake, holley 650 carb, crane roller rockers and it was rebuilt 25k ago, so idk if any of that will affect passing but just thought i would let you guys know incase it does, thanks, and remember if you dont know please keep it to yourself as i really need to know.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 05:30 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Google is your friend..
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 05:42 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Technically legal, but can be made legal enough, even for the people's republik of kalifornia. But the Holley carb is the first thing that must go. Cam choice can hurt emissions, but anything that pulls 15" of vacuum should pass.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 06:24 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Well nevermind i called a few places that do smog/emissions testing and inspection and they said because the car is an 1986 it is exempt and onlyy has a safety inspection which is tires, lights, wipers, etc and they dont even need to hear it run and i could have open headers and still pass for all they care so the holley carb needs not to go thanks for that little bit of random talk as im guessing you were just answering it without knowing for sure rite lol?
Also google kept popping up other forums where retards were answering without knowing thats why i asked if anyone KNOWS FOR SURE as people on the internet can put anything so google wasnt my freind as it had me asking this question after reading forums for an hour lol.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 06:25 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Oh and incase anyone else reads this.
Any car that is 25yrs or older in texas is exempt from smog testing, and just needs the safety inspection part, and a older motor can be put in a newer car in texas.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 06:45 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Originally Posted by s10sbc350
Well nevermind i called a few places that do smog/emissions testing and inspection and they said because the car is an 1986 it is exempt and onlyy has a safety inspection which is tires, lights, wipers, etc and they dont even need to hear it run and i could have open headers and still pass for all they care so the holley carb needs not to go thanks for that little bit of random talk as im guessing you were just answering it without knowing for sure rite lol?
Also google kept popping up other forums where retards were answering without knowing thats why i asked if anyone KNOWS FOR SURE as people on the internet can put anything so google wasnt my freind as it had me asking this question after reading forums for an hour lol.
Your state law statutes are on the internet.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 06:53 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

And you expect quick correct answers to your questions with a 14 year olds give it to me now, but remember I know it all attitude, wonderful.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 09:29 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

technically, you are breaking federal emissions laws by putting an older engine in a newer car and throwing away any of the factory installed emissions devices.. but it is left to the states to enforce those laws, and most of them don't... so ultimately it comes down to whether or not your area of your state is one of those places that actually cares about these things...
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 10:16 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Originally Posted by s10sbc350
Well nevermind i called a few places that do smog/emissions testing and inspection and they said because the car is an 1986 it is exempt and onlyy has a safety inspection which is tires, lights, wipers, etc and they dont even need to hear it run and i could have open headers and still pass for all they care so the holley carb needs not to go thanks for that little bit of random talk as im guessing you were just answering it without knowing for sure rite lol?
Also google kept popping up other forums where retards were answering without knowing thats why i asked if anyone KNOWS FOR SURE as people on the internet can put anything so google wasnt my freind as it had me asking this question after reading forums for an hour lol.
They are lieing to you, I 110% guarantee you!

I have quite a bit more than just "an inside source" at DPS for Inspection related stuff, and not just links to prove it. I can pick up the phone or walk into his Office at DPS Headquarters in Austin on Lamar Boulevard. (actually the entrance to his office is not on Lamar but.......)


Don't need to hear it run? Then how are they going to do the REQUIRED test drive to check the brakes & steering?

They said you can run with open headers? ANOTHER LIE! It has to be quiet, to a certain level, plus has to exit behind the Passenger Compartment. It even specifies a Muffler.

Stop listening to people that don't know SQUAT, including the Inspectors apparently, and research the information yourself.

Choose the 2nd drop down to read the details. The 1st one just gives you the basic item.

'Choose one of the items of inspection to view how that item will be inspected during the inspection process.'


https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/vi...nCriteria.aspx
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 10:36 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

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And you expect quick correct answers to your questions with a 14 year olds give it to me now, but remember I know it all attitude, wonderful.
What the hell are you talking about? I said clearly twice if you dont know for sure then dont post ****, did i not? I never said anything about wanting a answer rite away now did i dumb ***? I cant stand people that jump into others threads and dont contribute any and post stupid crap like you, get a life.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 10:41 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

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They are lieing to you, I 110% guarantee you!

I have quite a bit more than just "an inside source" at DPS for Inspection related stuff, and not just links to prove it. I can pick up the phone or walk into his Office at DPS Headquarters in Austin on Lamar Boulevard. (actually the entrance to his office is not on Lamar but.......)


Don't need to hear it run? Then how are they going to do the REQUIRED test drive to check the brakes & steering?

They said you can run with open headers? ANOTHER LIE! It has to be quiet, to a certain level, plus has to exit behind the Passenger Compartment. It even specifies a Muffler.

Stop listening to people that don't know SQUAT, including the Inspectors apparently, and research the information yourself.

Choose the 2nd drop down to read the details. The 1st one just gives you the basic item.

'Choose one of the items of inspection to view how that item will be inspected during the inspection process.'


https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/vi...nCriteria.aspx
Thanks, and i didnt mean the open headers thing literaly lol but ya it sounded like i did i guess. So your saying that it's not just a safety inspection they will do? I tried calling dmv and got nothing from 5 of them, but called 2 places that do inspections and crap near me and they said motor swap doesnt matter and it just safety inspection so thats wrong you say? Thanks for actually helping unlike others that just post annoying crap.
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Also DeltaElite121 isnt this forum what questions are for? Because it seems like people on forums always tell people to go look something up but sometimes it's better to hear stuff put more in better terms then sites like the dmv with all the tech talk. But thanks for the advice but like i said i looked for an hour and am done looking DONE.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 11:00 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

You can contact DPS directly if you need anything clarified further, but the link is pretty clear. Just call DPS VI Monday through Friday 8:00 AM – 5:00 PM. at (512) 424-7293 to inquire about any specifics that you aren't clear on.

Yes they will just do Safety (which requires a test drive), no Emissions Test.....a sniffer in the pipe but they will also do a Visual check which means that if there is not catalytic converter, you automatically fail. The Emissions parts only get Visual for your car now since the sniffer is no longer required now Vehicles 2 through 24 years old OR upon expiration of the two-year initial inspection sticker require an Emissions test.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 11:02 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

BTW...The DMV doesn't know squat about Inspections. All the DMV deals with is Registration & Sales of vehicles. Inspections have nothing to do with the DMV.
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 11:18 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Ok and ya i figure the dmv wouldnt know but last time i called about something for dps they transfered me over lol.
Also my car has headman headers exiting in front of rear tire, and has a catty on it, and it's like some weird corvette style piping that hangs low so i might get it re done anyways but still has the catty yes. Might need to get the other motor into it first though
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 11:20 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

So are those 3.27 aussie gears in your third gen come standard on some of the aussie cars or? I didnt even know they had 3.27s lol are they a aussie special?
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Old Jul 8, 2013 | 11:40 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Originally Posted by s10sbc350
Ok and ya i figure the dmv wouldnt know but last time i called about something for dps they transfered me over lol.
Also my car has headman headers exiting in front of rear tire, and has a catty on it, and it's like some weird corvette style piping that hangs low so i might get it re done anyways but still has the catty yes. Might need to get the other motor into it first though
The exhaust is required to exit outside the "passenger compartment" so as long as it is behind the door edge AND outside the car (to the side or rear), not under the car, it will pass.

Originally Posted by s10sbc350
So are those 3.27 aussie gears in your third gen come standard on some of the aussie cars or? I didnt even know they had 3.27s lol are they a aussie special?
Yep, standard. Essentially equal to the 10-bolt 3.23 ratio with respect to ratio & will work just fine with a car that was built with a 10-bolt/3.23 so the speedo will still be withing GMs variance specs, but a much stronger & rearend in every way.
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Old Jul 11, 2013 | 05:39 AM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

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And you expect quick correct answers to your questions with a 14 year olds give it to me now, but remember I know it all attitude, wonderful.
I was kinda thinking the same thing too...

If you're "done" after researching for an hour, you clearly aren't very serious about this swap. Do the research, call more than one place that does inspections. Don't you think they might be the people to talk to, being the inspectors? Tell them you want to stick a 70s smog motor in a street car, with open headers, and no emissions equipment in sight. See what they say...
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Old Jul 11, 2013 | 07:37 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Originally Posted by PhoenixFirebird
I was kinda thinking the same thing too...

If you're "done" after researching for an hour, you clearly aren't very serious about this swap. Do the research, call more than one place that does inspections. Don't you think they might be the people to talk to, being the inspectors? Tell them you want to stick a 70s smog motor in a street car, with open headers, and no emissions equipment in sight. See what they say...
Here we go agin, someone that wants to post their thoughts that really DO NOT MATTER.
I never said i researched the damn motor swap for a hour, i was talking about researching it being illiegal. Now i found two different answeres about it when re searching and multiple times for both so, then i posted a thread on here which is what the damn forum is for, then i called 2 inspectors and got it figured out. Oh and the open headers thing wasnt meant to be literaly and i dont need the smog crap for your inormation just the catalatic conerter. So next time read the whole thread before posting crap that you dont know about, thanks
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Old Jul 23, 2013 | 10:40 PM
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Re: Is this motor swap illegal

Here is what I know as fact. If you install a engine that is older than the car it still has to have ALL the smog crap that came on that year car PERIOD. Yes only a safety is done, but they still look under the hood so what ever came emission wise on that year car will have to be on it. The same thing goes with say a lsx swap, because that engine is younger than the 3rd gen it will then need to pass a smog check, and will have to pass with the numbers that apply to the year of that motor. HOWEVER, that also depends on the shop you go to, there is always a chance that they will let it go only because the car is older and doesnt need a smog test.
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Old Jul 24, 2013 | 03:08 PM
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I am so glad to live in Indiana, they don't test for that crap here.
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