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1987 IROC 305TPI Auto to 350TPI Manual swap questions

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Old Jan 27, 2016 | 10:03 PM
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Car: 1987 Camaro IROC-Z w/ T-Tops
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1987 IROC 305TPI Auto to 350TPI Manual swap questions

Hey guys, I've scanned the transmission and engine forums to try to find an answer to my question with no luck so here we go. I currently have a 305TPI/ Auto that is torn down to the shell. While waiting for it to warm up here in Delaware for body work I decided to tackle drive train.
What I want to do is remove the bottom end of the motor (305), replace it with a 355/ 310hp vortec short block from summit and remove the T5 from my donor 1991 Trans-Am to swap out the 700R4. I'm trying to build a dependable cruiser that has some *****, so I didn't want to go crazy and make the thing unstreetable.
I understand the intake and belt system will fit. I also understand i have to change out the 19lb injectors for larger ones, but my grasp of this project stops there.
Will the computer need to be programmed?
Do I need a computer from a manual transmission V8 car in 1987 or will mine work?
Is the engine part as easy as putting the intake on the short block?

Needing some guidance... Thanks in advance guys.
FYI - If I've duplicated a previous thread, I'm sorry.
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Old Jan 28, 2016 | 07:55 AM
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Car: 87 IROC
Engine: L31 350
Transmission: T56
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Re: 1987 IROC 305TPI Auto to 350TPI Manual swap questions

Originally Posted by Goodolboy0404
What I want to do is remove the bottom end of the motor (305), replace it with a 355/ 310hp vortec short block from summit
The 305 heads have too small a chamber for a 350, and will increase your compression (SCR) too much. Typically 58ccs on the 305 and 64ccs on a 350.

Originally Posted by Goodolboy0404
Will the computer need to be programmed?
Probably. But, if you use stock 22lb injectors and a stock-ish cam, a stock 87 manual chip should be close enough.

Originally Posted by Goodolboy0404
Do I need a computer from a manual transmission V8 car in 1987 or will mine work?
The computer itself is generic and interchangeable. The chip carries the specific programming.

Originally Posted by Goodolboy0404
Is the engine part as easy as putting the intake on the short block?
It's all basic mechanical bolt-on, bolt-together parts. 305-to-350 is externally the same. You are sticking to a factory combination, so everything you are doing has factory parts available.
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Old Jan 28, 2016 | 06:53 PM
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Re: 1987 IROC 305TPI Auto to 350TPI Manual swap questions

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The computer itself is generic and interchangeable. The chip carries the specific programming.
I'm confused then... Is there a chip inside of the computer or is that somewhere else? Will my auto computer work the car but replacing the "chip". I'm pretty mechanically inclined, this fuel injection stuff is a little out of my wheel house? Previously, I owned a fox body mustang (don't judge) and when I replaced the 302 with a 347 stroker all I did was send the ECM out to be reprogrammed with al the specs of the car? Are these the same?
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Old Jan 28, 2016 | 07:36 PM
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Re: 1987 IROC 305TPI Auto to 350TPI Manual swap questions

Originally Posted by Goodolboy0404
I'm confused then... Is there a chip inside of the computer or is that somewhere else? Will my auto computer work the car but replacing the "chip". I'm pretty mechanically inclined, this fuel injection stuff is a little out of my wheel house? Previously, I owned a fox body mustang (don't judge) and when I replaced the 302 with a 347 stroker all I did was send the ECM out to be reprogrammed with al the specs of the car? Are these the same?
You got it... The computers are generic with a removable chip, also called a MEMCAL. You program, then "burn" the chip, and plug the chip into the ECM. These are not like the later model (LS1+) where they have permanently mounted flash memory, you plug in and download, or "flash", the program directly into the ECM.
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Old Jan 28, 2016 | 11:12 PM
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Re: 1987 IROC 305TPI Auto to 350TPI Manual swap questions

So the chip is inside the ECM? If so, once the chip is out where do you send it to get the specs to the car added?
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Old Jan 29, 2016 | 07:00 AM
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Re: 1987 IROC 305TPI Auto to 350TPI Manual swap questions

You got some reading to do...
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-prom/
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Old Jan 30, 2016 | 03:23 PM
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Re: 1987 IROC 305TPI Auto to 350TPI Manual swap questions

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You got some reading to do...
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/diy-prom/

From what it looks like I have two options: Change the PROM to adopt the T5 conversion, but will not accommodate the 350 engine because a 350TPI w/ T5 never existed OR convert the car to the EBL type computer system that allows tuning for the changes being made.


Is there a person, business or person on this forum that I can contact with the parameters of the vehicle, send the ECM to them and have the necessary corrections to have the vehicle driveable?? No trying to come off like a lazy *** but looking at the EBL self tuning system; I think I'd do more harm then good. lol
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