Ok, tried a search and didn't find this specifically, so sorry if this is a repeat. Has anyone used the Edelbrock TES system with the AIR tubing? I am working on a 1984 Firebird with the 305 LG4 engine with a carb.

I am wondering if the AIR tubes on this system are welded on or does it have threaded ports where separate AIR tubes bolt in? I would like to find a header system for this car that has the fittings where I could plug them off for normal use, but still retain the ability to rehook the AIR system later on if needed. Anyone know if this is made by any manufacturer. I need the ground clearance of a shorty header and Y pipe design instead of long tubes.
Thanks for any insights.
Brad

 

i believe the air tubes are welded on with the TES's but i could be wrong. My buddy runs them on his bird and i think i remember them being welded on. I think the slp ones are screw in but i could be wrong on that too ......................... Damn im not much help haha sorry

 

The air tubes are welded on.

 

Ok, thanks for the input. That kills that idea. Does anyone know for sure if there is one made that has the tubes screwed in with fittings? That would be the ideal setup for what I want. Thanks!
Brad

 

you don't want the TES system anyway. i put it on my car. it took two days and i ran into every problem possible. ground clearance with the TES y-pipe sucks too. granted i don't have the hanger that comes off the transmission any more but still...i had my stock y-pipe without the hanger and it was a million times better.

performance increase was good though, pulls alot harder up high.

 

i had it on my car no leaks. ground clearance was perfect, ran great, and the Y-pipe is accually bigger then the SLP's y pipe

 

how fast are you guys running in the 1/4 with these headers and what catback are you running? what is the plug accessability like on these? i know i have been asking similar questions like this about other headers, but i am just keeping my options open when it comes to shorty headers. i had longtubes on my last car and quite honestly, i want the ground clearance back. i also would like to have an exhaust system that can support 500hp. what are my options without custom y-pipes and stuff?

 

13.49 with the endelbrock catback also. but i have heads and cam too

 

I have run 12.95 with those headers on a vortec headed 350.

 

I dont know of any headers with screw-in AIR fittings. That would make them non-emissions compliant and they wouldnt pass smog.

 

Look into the Hooker 2055's. They are hooker's super competition shorty headers and they come with the Y pipe. Looks great, sounds great, flows great, and more HP and TQ. But make sure to get them coated and see if you can get the Y pipe coated also. Only problem is that they tend to run a little pricy, but i think everyone would agree that they are well worth it.

 

i think that i have decided on the hedman shorties coated from acs. $229, you can't beat that! then another $95 for the y-pipe...i know, it's the "weak link" to their system, but it's just to get me on the road till i can build my own dual 3" to 3 1/2" y-pipe. (using the hedman y-pipe as a pattern)

 

Thanks for the input guys. I'll look into the Hedman and the Hooker units and do some cost comparison with my budget. I have heard others comment on the Hookers and that they do like them. I may have to consider the Hedman ones or the Edelbrock due to my budget, depending on the price I can get. Again, thanks! Brad

 

Stock chip, converter, heads, cam, 106,000 mile 88 IROC, ported intake + AS&M runners, few other small mods, 13.79 @ 102.8, TES + 3" flowmaster 80 series (quiet!) catback

 

They fit like crap, they are designed poorly, and you must have forgot to take a look where the two pipes are smashed down into a small D each to form the merge, bigger my butt...

 

Well, from my experience with them they fit very well and I have never had a problem with them leaking.

 

Did you install them yourself or have someone do it, i've installed 2 sets and both of them the y pipe to collector flanges are in very crappy spots, my SLP's were FAR FAR FAR better.

 

You're all by yourself on that one. I used to have Edelbrock TES on my car and the fitment couldn't have been better - and yes I installed them myself. I later switched to SLPs and the fitment is terrible - and yes I installed those too

I've never heard anyone but you complain about Edelbrocks fitment. However, I do agree that the overall design sucks, especially the collectors!

The y-pipe is the same for both the SLP 1 3/4" and Edelbrock 350TPI headers. Heck, they even use the same donut gasket...

 

I installed them myself and have had them on and off and have never run into a problem with them concerning their fitment.

 

The Y pipe to collector flanges are way too close to the K member on both sides, i had no problems at all with my SLP's and would never recommend the edelcraps, with 2 sets on 2 cars i'd say its gonna be consistent.

 

I don't know, man. I have had nil problems. All i can say is sometimes it's not the fiddle but the fiddler.

 

The edelbrocks are good, and good for 20-25 hp with there ypipe, and more with a good cat back setup, the 5 year warranty also makes them nicer. For the money, and fit, and performance gain they are great, mix comments will always come from people, but I've heard slps are a PITA, you'll hear them all, edelbrocks will do what they're supposed to do though, and do it well.

 

Got a set of Edelbrocks on both my cars, installs were painless, quality is fine. I'm happy with them for the price, and quite a seat of the pants gain (on the IROC anyway, the 87Z got the engine and all at once). Realistically you're only talking maybe a 5 hp difference between any of the big name 1 5/8" headers anyway....

 

On a stock application. However, all you need to do is personally look at the collector design of the Edelbrock, and then compare it to the SLP. You'll shake your head wondering first why Edelbrock designed it that way, and second why you encouraged the poor design by purchasing them. I wouldn't even call the collector on the Edelbrocks a "collector", more like a "restrictor".

 

Does'nt the Edelbrocks have dual 2.5" to single 3" y-pipes vs SLP's dual 2 1/4" to single 3". I have SLP's and after 600 bucks I was supprised I had to cut the under oil pan pipe to fit and then had to pay to have it Heli-Arced back together. Maybe my SSM subframe connectors moved the y-pipe enough that fit was an issue but damn 600 bucks! At least with Edlebrocks you can cut the pipe before the Y and make a decent flowing dual setup. I have seen that done and like it alot. After all, Edelbrocks primary pipes are so short it's not like 1 5/8" primaries are really going to matter anyway. Think of it as a tork-step header. Ha Ha! WTF does it matter if SLP has 1 3/4" primaries anyway with a tiny *** collector! Even running SLP shorties open is a restriction vs the Edelbrocks. Don't get me wrong, I just think Edelbrock has some good attributes vs SLP. I personally like the Stainless Steel and weld quality of the SLP's, that's why I own a set. Besides what choice do we have other than SLP if we want ground clearance and decent flow. Also, with a carb set-up fuel percolation is a real problem with long tube headers running right next to the fuel lines. At least SLP's stay away from the drives side for good fuel line clearance if you reroute the carb fuel lines.

 

They use the same gasket. The collector outlet is the same size

 

yeah edelbrocks are a great bang for the buck, with a great warranty too, and on a stock motor, they're good for 20-25 horses, more no modified motors, and more with a cat back.

 

Hey Marc,

The SLP's neck down to 2 1/4" in the TAPERED collector. So again I will say why the 1 3/4 inch primaries!

 

Alright... Go get some Edelbrock headers. Measure the inner diameter of the collector outlet. And when you finally realize that they are the same size, reply I compared mine when I swapped them, and was quite unhappy with what I found. And why the 1 3/4" primaries? Because with my car they make more power. Thats why.

 

I currently have the edelbrock TES and I couldn't be much happier!!! On the other hand, I have had some plug wire routing problems. Its a good thing that they are coated or else they would have been melted by now. Either way, once I put these headers on, I could really feel it. Lately I've been beatin integras, gulfs, and vvti camry's

 

I was considering the Edelbrock TES, and had already selected their cat-back system. I AIN'T doing the header install myself, so I suppose I could just go and get Hookers and let the shop bang THEIR knuckles around. Still, I haven't dropped the Edelbrock headers idea yet.

 

TES headers are nice. They show a noticeable gain in tq like stated. I've had my TES headers for around 3 or 4 years I think and I'm now planning on switching to some hooker long tubes. ;-)

 

I'v had my edelbrocks for about 3 years now(87 LG4 305). The fitment was ok, but the design on the passenger side makes the rear 2 plugs darn near impossible to change. Get them coated if you can, mine rusted very quickly

 

They aren't that bad. I used to jack the car up and do them from the bottom, but I found a better way. I reached the plugs from the top by running my arm all the way under the header, along the #2 primary. Works quite well really...

 

I know regular MSD wires setup didn't fit mine at all. I could only get 2 or 3. I end'd up just buying a custom 90* boot set (the kind that you cut and make yourself). It was pretty easy and came out nice.

I 2nd the coating also. Oh and side note Don't think you can just paint over the coating that comes from edelbrock. It's meant for shipping purposes only. I figured if I sprayed it down with 3 or 4 coats it would hold fine... nope big waste of time. I should have been more carefull and read all the directions (you know half the time with parts you don't even look at directions since they're usually off anyways). If you're going to paint them have the coating stripped off first, otherwize your new paint will burn off 10-20 minutes after startup.

 

umm, the stock setup uses screw in fittings

 

i wouldn't call the stock manifolds "headers" at all.

 

i'm not disputing the name of exhaust manifolds, i am disputing that screw in air fittings automatically make them not smog compliant.
JP

 

what size are the edelbrock headers. 1 5/8 or 1 1/2. was looking at these for my 86 iroc. but i thought the tube sizing was 1 1/2.

 

I will be buying Edelbrock TES headers shortly, I have heard very mixed reviews, but I like the idea of Edelbrock better than Hedman and I have very limited funds. ANYTHING has to be better than stock manifolds and my crapped out y-pipe. I will also be getting a 3" catco cat.

I was just wondering if anyone has anything to say about the Chrome Coating that you can get on Edelbrock TES headers now. Does it last? Is it effective at keeping away the rust? Is it compairable to other coatings (ie. Jet Hot, or ACS)?

I am just trying to decide if it's worth getting the chrome ones, or getting the regular ones and having them coated eventually. If I got the regular ones, I'd probably strip them down and paint them with Header Paint, 3-4 coats. What do you guys think?

 

TES headers are 1 5/8" (I think) with 3" collector since there donut gasket type it's a lot smaller than a 3" like what 2 1/2" collector.

I'm kind of wondering if the coating is Jet-Hot. The hooker super comps you get from summit have a Jet-Hot coating on them.

You could strip the paint off and paint them yourself too. I've seen it done. Just make sure it's high temp stuff... engine enamel is only good to like 500*.